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***-What IS Good music?-***
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Posted 1/16/09

actionman92 wrote:

I'm my neighborhood rapper...we make beats...and i write lyrics....street poetry has always been my forte i rap about shit that happens or happened in my life

heres a bit of a song that i'm working on...

Growin up in a city in the Jersey
With shit goin on it sent my world topsy turvy
One nigga down, two, three, four
Few days later there would be more
I see brothas screamin that was the common symphony
All it would do is put me in complete agony
Just carry my glock, always ready to cock,
my enemies always bust in they neva knock
Fuckin horrible things would happen to these peeps
i just get on my knees pray to the lord and weep
seems like every dudes evil no nigga has a soul
the answer i get is"thats how i roll"
Well guess what that boy is goin the wrong way
With my little sister sick as hell dyin the long way
The brothas who met me at the seven eleven
theyve been deceased, realeased into heaven
the good lord knows where i'm gonna go
While these bitches are just on these streets for show
You have to be a hard nigga to defeat your rivals
you have to have the upper hand to have the prize of survival
You have to over come the heart aches the pains
you have to stay fresh when mlther nature brings the rain
my face all wet I Just feel like dyin
But no brotha can even see that i'm cryin
I was always the one bein chased
It was like i was trapped in the amazing race
All these challenges all up in my face
ever since i was a kid that was the case
Never told my parents cause i didnt want em to worry
In the meantime people are dyin in a hurry
Listen to these damn words that i share
this might not be real just a really long nightmare

chorus.

its what goes dowwwwnnn in the city
ever siiiiiiinnnnce i was a kiddie
i dont knowwwww what to sayhay
but i try to surviiiiiive in any wayhay
(repeat 3x) come on man lets get this shit

Secondverse comin soon.....





sound familiar that red line

and the green u mean clock oh ok i see that makes morse sense
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Posted 1/16/09

Robo-Bot wrote:

But sometimes talented artists don't get a chance to showcase their talent .. which is, a
cheap trick by their company; so we can't really measure an artists' talent.

However, I understand your point and the message you are trying to convey but society today
doesn't really take all of this into consideration when listening to music. Why do you think artists many people
think are untalented are among the most famous?

*I'm sorry, I feel like my comment has nothing to do with yours ..*



That is also true.
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Posted 1/16/09

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yeah, musical taste is subjective. but there must be more to it than just that otherwise we wouldnt have such things as musical geniuses like Mozart. there are some songs which resonate very deeply, some which are more superficia. but i cant really tell whether a piece of music is art or not, because i have no training in music, so i just listen to what i like.


Yes musical taste is subjective. What you've said is very true. But we're not talking about taste.

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Posted 1/16/09 , edited 1/18/09

TheRealKira wrote:

I agree with you partly on that one. It is true that bands form to either become famous, adored, make money, or be attractive. Though, I also partly disagree, if you think of bands forming just to make money is a bad thing, it's not all bad, though if they want to become famous, attract opposite sexes, and be adored, that is quite stupid. If the band wants to make money, well, it's a good thing. Here are some of my opinions of why its a good thing they get money for doing this:
1) They spend a lot of money to be able to go to recording studios, instruments, instrument repairs etc.
2) They should be awarded in SOME way for trying to help out people by giving them more music, because face it, if you've never listened to music in your entire life, you will most likely go insane, or, if you have a miraculous mind that doesn't need music to keep it going, you will definitely be missing out on a lot.

Feel free to argue with me, though truthfully, I am not well-prepared nor well-organized when it comes to a debate.

EDIT!: Although, I have lost complete faith like you in music...at least rap. If you like R.A.P. (Retards Attempting Poetry) you have no real good taste in music, because anybody can be a so-called "good rapper" when your horrible voice is fixed with a machine, the beat is produced by a machine, and there are no instruments so all you hear is a decent beat and some mentally retarded guy on stage telling you his boring opinions or his lame old life story. A song is supposed to tell/teach you something such as: A story; a revelation; a possible outcome of a decision to make etc. etc. etc. What R.A.P. tells/teaches you is to be greedy, go for cash, be a "gangster", be some mentally retarded guy who think education is "fo sucka's" etc.
Basically, you listen to R.A.P., your future doesn't look to clear if you like R.A.P. enough to be swayed to think like them.

EDIT2: (WARNING, this may offend you if I've mentioned your ethnicity in a negative way in this paragraph) All the people in my high school who have been taken away by the police for possession and other stupid things to do at the age of a high schooler, I have noticed are mostly from African and/or Mexican heritage, my school is pretty much 95% Asian and I've seen the 2% Mexicans and the 1% Africans get into fights, have drugs, and tag etc. to an extent where the police already know the teenagers names, the deans know the kids names, and other adults who deal with obnoxious kids, and to top it off, they're the people who listen to R.A.P. excessively. They're all of African/Mexican heritage while out of those 95% Asians, the Asians are all well-conducted kids, and to top it off, I have a lot of Asian friends and some of them listen to R.A.P., but not to the point where it changes the way they think and they become a "gang banger" and other stupid nonsense these idiotic R.A.P. fans get themselves into. Coincidence? I think not!


Hey man, I have a few things to reply. I am up for a friendly debate if you're game too.

I never said making money was bad. But if that's the only reason they're doing it then thats certainly not good. Besides, they'd be better off doing something else.

About rap; condemnation of an entire genre is both ignorant and silly. I certainly don't like gangsta-rap, but you have to also look that there are some rappers who've written truly good songs. Rap really isn't my thing but I love stuff like Grandmaster Flash, Sugarhill Gang, Public Enemy, Notorious BIG, and Tupac. I don't listen to it all the time, but I appreciate it. I fail to see why just because I like them that means I have no taste in music. That's very rude of you. Not all rap is about thugs killing cops and bangin' chicks. You have probably only ever heard the crap-rap. But if you have such a close mind as you have shown, you will only spread the ignorance that has plagued you.
Try listening to 'The Message' by Grandmaster Flash and The Furious Five. It talks about the tragedy of growing up in the ghetto and how sad it is that so many youths turn astray. The 'Message' of the song is to endure without turning to crime or the 'easy way.'
Not all rap music is devoid of instruments either. Sugarhill Gang had a full band. Doug Whimbish, from the rock band Living Colour [Famous for the song 'Cult of Personality.' Check it out] played bass for them. Their hit, Rappers Delight, was about having a good time and enjoying success.

Furthermore, don't bring bigotry into this thread. You're second edit was a bit racist, man. I don't know if you meant that or not, but chill out. One of my best friends, Jake, is an old-school punk and he's black. I have a Mexican buddy that's idolizes Lynard Skynard and Merle Haggard. Not every black and hispanic person is a criminal who listens to rap. The majority of 'thugs' I have seen that listen to that crap and are criminals are white.
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Everyone has different taste in music..but here's my opinion:

A song w/ meaningful lyrics and moving melody (i dont like repetitive beats for some reason)
that has the ability to convey strong emotions..just by listening to the music.
i dont want to listen to use less junk just because it's 'catchy' but doesnt have
any point to the song.

Basically music that has the ability to touch others no matter what language
it is in.
Posted 1/16/09
I know it's ~cool~ these days to curse the music scene, but, honestly, I think there are plenty of really wonderful artists out there. Unfortunately, people don't look much farther than mainstream bands.

When I was in my teens I wrote album reviews for a small, independently-published magazine. While writing each review I took into account everything you had listed (lyrical content, composition, etc) along with a few others (how it stacked up to previous releases, for example). I came to appreciate a wide array of musicians & their craft, despite whether or not I personally enjoyed their songs.

The only genre I'm completely biased against is screamo. It does not appeal to me in the slightest and I highly doubt it ever will.

I do like high quality works. If it sounds like the band recorded their album in the drummer's mother's basement, it probably will not see a heavy rotation from me.
Posted 1/16/09
Hehe that's what I always do =P
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Posted 1/18/09
The only music I cannot stand is like obnoxious 'thug' rap, really hillbilly twangy country, and anything that screams or whines. [Extreme metal and Emo.] I used to say I hated Country and Rap, but when I think about it I only hate the vile/obnoxious kind.

I am not against any one genre though.
For country I love Johnny Cash, Willie Nelson, Eddie Rabbit, and some Kenny Rogers [namely Coward of The County and The Gambler] and stuff like that but none of it's redneck-ish and twangy.
For rap I love Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five, Sugarhill Gang, LL Cool J, Notorious BIG, Tupac, Digital Underground, Public Enemy, Run DMC, Afrika Bambataa, Treacherous Three, Double Trouble, De La Soul, and the like. I even like -SOME- Master P and Snoop Dogg.


Of course my favorite genres are Punk Rock [Sex Pistols, The Clash, New York Dolls] Goth Rock [Sisters of Mercy, Siouxsie & The Banshees, The Cure] and Hard Rock [Zeppelin, The Who, The Stones]

And I occasionally have periods where I listen to a lot of funk, industrial, classical baroque, and blues.
Posted 1/18/09
usually i judge a song by 1st its beat then the lyrics, but if the lyrics are like really bad then i won't listen to it period.
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My opinion is that good music comes from the soul, and how it's either sung or played. I listen to all types of music because of what the person is singing, the instruments, and sometimes even if i can't understand the music, i can feel what the singer is feeling when he/she sings the song. Everyone has their own taste of music, and when i listen to something that i think is good, then there's good music right there.
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Posted 1/18/09 , edited 1/18/09

Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:
Those who cannot sing resort to either rapping, talking, or screaming. Quite simple.


You are a vocalist so you should appreciate those who scream. Screaming the way the main screamo/metalcore/whatever you want to call them is quite difficult to do. And a bunch of those singers can scream and sing, they just prefer to scream.

Edit: messed up on the quote tags, didn't change the message
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Posted 1/18/09

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Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:
Those who cannot sing resort to either rapping, talking, or screaming. Quite simple.


You are a vocalist so you should appreciate those who scream. Screaming the way the main screamo/metalcore/whatever you want to call them is quite difficult to do. And a bunch of those singers can scream and sing, they just prefer to scream.

Edit: messed up on the quote tags, didn't change the message


Well I don't mean all screaming is bad, but those who do nothing but growl or scream annoy me.

Screaming is certainly hard on your voice, but it certainly isn't difficult to do.
I personally know a guy with 0 talent who joined a band as a frontman and he couldn't sing so they had him scream. It was metalcore/screamo stuff. It's not that hard. There's no actual technique in it thus it requires no talent. There's no power in screaming like that.

If you want to hear some power and vocal talent in a scream I refer to The Who's 'Wont Get Fooled Again.'
In recording, Roger Daltrey literally blew up the mic during his "YEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHH!"
The only time in recorded history of such a thing happening. He was by far one of the most powerful vocalists of all time. I also refer you to 'Love Reign O'er Me' which is often cited to be the greatest vocal performance in all of rock history.


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Posted 1/18/09

Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


pyropuffin wrote:


Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:
Those who cannot sing resort to either rapping, talking, or screaming. Quite simple.


You are a vocalist so you should appreciate those who scream. Screaming the way the main screamo/metalcore/whatever you want to call them is quite difficult to do. And a bunch of those singers can scream and sing, they just prefer to scream.

Edit: messed up on the quote tags, didn't change the message


Well I don't mean all screaming is bad, but those who do nothing but growl or scream annoy me.

Screaming is certainly hard on your voice, but it certainly isn't difficult to do.
I personally know a guy with 0 talent who joined a band as a frontman and he couldn't sing so they had him scream. It was metalcore/screamo stuff. It's not that hard. There's no actual technique in it thus it requires no talent. There's no power in screaming like that.

If you want to hear some power and vocal talent in a scream I refer to The Who's 'Wont Get Fooled Again.'
In recording, Roger Daltrey literally blew up the mic during his "YEEEEEAAAAAAHHHHH!"
The only time in recorded history of such a thing happening. He was by far one of the most powerful vocalists of all time. I also refer you to 'Love Reign O'er Me' which is often cited to be the greatest vocal performance in all of rock history.




I meant that it is hard to scream without hurting your voice. Anyone can scream but not many can do it properly, I've been tryng to teach myself to scream like Dani Filth from Cradle of Filth for a while. When you say scream, do you refer to the high pitched screams like from Children of Bodom, or the low pitched growling that every substandard "hardcore" bands use?
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Posted 1/18/09

pyropuffin wrote:
I meant that it is hard to scream without hurting your voice. Anyone can scream but not many can do it properly, I've been tryng to teach myself to scream like Dani Filth from Cradle of Filth for a while. When you say scream, do you refer to the high pitched screams like from Children of Bodom, or the low pitched growling that every substandard "hardcore" bands use?



Oh yes that's very true. To scream properly, it's pretty hard and even then you risk damaging your voice.
I meant general screams. I know there's plenty of different kinds. Screams that accentuate a point in the music are alright. Like Robert Plant, Axle Rose[wanker], and Roger Daltrey do. I like that.
But I am not one for songs that involve a lot of screaming.
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Posted 1/18/09
usually when someone ask that it always depend on someone taste in music. though i get what u trying to say though.
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