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Heh, the best method of helping one side of the other is slaughter the opposing side. Using whatever means you can, if that means using rockets then use rockets, if it means using carpet bombings, then use carpet bombings. But complaining about it because innocent people are dying, is going to do nothing. Innocent people die all the time in war's. It's not a big deal. Isreal got attacked first, they attack back, and people complain, that's bullshit, they have every right attack back. It's how it works. So what if people who weren't involved die, it's war, shit happens. Isreal is most likely going to win, deal with it. Stop fucking complaining about it, there is nothing you can do, unless you go join one army and fight, unless you do that, shut the fuck up about this conflict. Writing letters and complaining does nothing in a time of war. Deal with it.


There were more to the story than "israel got attacked first", retard.

They cut off food and water supply to Palestine first. But then again you didn't even bother to read up on that because the best solution is just to read what's on the news and bomb whoever fuck said is the bad guys on there right?

Fuckin dumb ass.

It's you that needs to learn to shut the fuck up. Lol. See, if you don't know shit about the topic, then just sit quietly in the corner and refrain from making dumb ass shit comments because you're just making yourself look ridiculously stupid from it. You fucking dumb ass, shit-for brain chimpanzee. Go back to the fucking zoo.


Hehe, Amusing.


They cut off food and water supply to Palestine first. But then again you didn't even bother to read up on that because the best solution is just to read what's on the news and bomb whoever fuck said is the bad guys on there right?


So what if Isreal cut off food and water to palestine first. Isreal wouldn't have done that without reason, so there is a reason behind that. And there is no "bad guy" in war, doesn't work like that, Both sides are fighting for their own reasons. So one side can't be "right" or "wrong"

And yea, the fastest way to stopping a war is to kill off the opposing side, as fast as possible, so if they wanna use rockets or bombs, then whats wrong with that ? Also I dont get my information from the news, i don't watch the news, the news is full of complete bullshit all the time. So it is the best solution to solving it, kill as many of the other side as you can as fast as you can, that's how it works.



Fuckin dumb ass.

It's you that needs to learn to shut the fuck up. Lol. See, if you don't know shit about the topic, then just sit quietly in the corner and refrain from making dumb ass shit comments because you're just making yourself look ridiculously stupid from it. You fucking dumb ass, shit-for brain chimpanzee. Go back to the fucking zoo.


Eh, Stuff like self image and looking stupid mean nothing to me, I don't give a damn about them. Think whatever you want, I don't really care. Again, i know enough to make an opinion, so I did.

And saying something like "you're just making yourself look ridiculously stupid from it. You fucking dumb ass, shit-for brain chimpanzee. Go back to the fucking zoo." Is a contradiction, saying something like that, makes you look like an idiot. Just though I should point that out.
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Allhailodin wrote:

Hehe, Amusing.

So what if Isreal cut off food and water to palestine first. Isreal wouldn't have done that without reason, so there is a reason behind that. And there is no "bad guy" in war, doesn't work like that, Both sides are fighting for their own reasons. So one side can't be "right" or "wrong"

And yea, the fastest way to stopping a war is to kill off the opposing side, as fast as possible, so if they wanna use rockets or bombs, then whats wrong with that ? Also I dont get my information from the news, i don't watch the news, the news is full of complete bullshit all the time. So it is the best solution to solving it, kill as many of the other side as you can as fast as you can, that's how it works.

Eh, Stuff like self image and looking stupid mean nothing to me, I don't give a damn about them. Think whatever you want, I don't really care. Again, i know enough to make an opinion, so I did.

And saying something like "you're just making yourself look ridiculously stupid from it. You fucking dumb ass, shit-for brain chimpanzee. Go back to the fucking zoo." Is a contradiction, saying something like that, makes you look like an idiot. Just though I should point that out.


Aww. The chimp can be amused too. Your trainer should give you a banana for that display of complex emotion for animal standard.

So btw. Where exactly DO you get your perspective regarding this Israel-Palestine conflict? From reading other people's post? coz that's even more stupid. You're forming an opinion based upon third-hand source, and the best you can come up with is.. "oh STFU people, and just let Israel do whatever it wants. It's just war anyway. Who cares if people gets killed".

And nice comeback. lol. "no. YOU'RE the idiot". wtf are you 3 years old or something? A chimp. And a retarded one at that. Nice


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Aww. The chimp can be amused too. Your trainer should give you a banana for that display of complex emotion for animal standard.


That's rich, your an animal too, so is your best friend and everyone else you know. Human beings are animals just as monkeys are animals and just as a cat is an animal. Get your facts straight.


So btw. Where exactly DO you get your perspective regarding this Israel-Palestine conflict? From reading other people's post? coz that's even more stupid. You're forming an opinion based upon third-hand source.


I don't have a "source" I take bits and peices of info from tons of sources and fit em together. Usually works fine for me.


oh STFU people, and just let Israel do whatever it wants. It's just war anyway. Who cares if people gets killed


Yea, that's how it works. just shut up and let them kill each other. It's a war, people are going to die anyway, so stop making it into a big deal, just because a minor number of people died. A few hundred deaths is nothing. It's not even a dent in the population of the middle east. So start making noise about deaths once the numbers reach the thousands or even ten's of thousands.


And nice comeback. lol. "no. YOU'RE the idiot". wtf are you 3 years old or something? A chimp. And a retarded one at that.


"Shit-for-brains", "go back to the zoo", is not very insulting either. Your not going to be able to piss me off no matter how much you try, so just stop wasting your effort. It's only going to entertain me further.
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Check out the soo called anti semite President Jimmy Carter. Just because he criticizes the Israeli government the mainstream now wants you to believe he hates jews although he says nothing bad about jews what so ever. Does anyone find it fishy that you cant criticize this country at all?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kfV1UZlkZ3M&feature=related
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Joe the Plumber calls on Obama to help Israel
http://www.examiner.com/a-1789647~Joe_the_Plumber_calls_on_Obama_to_help_Israel.html

If Iran should not be helping Palestine, then America should not be helping Israel - Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C756NOPyDA

Israel feels hurt by global condemnation
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=81936&sectionid=351020202
Posted 1/12/09

Allhailodin wrote:


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Topic: Want to help Palestinian victims? Help Israel!




What kind of help do you really want us to do?
- give sympathy/empathy
- fight their fights
- deploy missiles
- write letters to higher authorities and inform them of what we think
- acknowledge that real bad things are happening overseas
- send our top medical resources to aid them
- evacuate every single civilians to a proper, safe place
- send food and clothing

???


Heh, the best method of helping one side of the other is slaughter the opposing side. Using whatever means you can, if that means using rockets then use rockets, if it means using carpet bombings, then use carpet bombings. But complaining about it because innocent people are dying, is going to do nothing. Innocent people die all the time in war's. It's not a big deal. Isreal got attacked first, they attack back, and people complain, that's bullshit, they have every right attack back. It's how it works. So what if people who weren't involved die, it's war, shit happens. Isreal is most likely going to win, deal with it. Stop fucking complaining about it, there is nothing you can do, unless you go join one army and fight, unless you do that, shut the fuck up about this conflict. Writing letters and complaining does nothing in a time of war. Deal with it.

Is the red font I highlighted directed towards me?

I just wrote all of those for the thread maker to answer, which he never did.
He already stated who's wrong and who's not.
I was just curious about what he would do as a person about this issue by just looking how much "talk" he did so far in this thread.
But now, no. No longer curious.

I have more things to worry about than worrying about them.
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Joe the Plumber calls on Obama to help Israel
http://www.examiner.com/a-1789647~Joe_the_Plumber_calls_on_Obama_to_help_Israel.html

If Iran should not be helping Palestine, then America should not be helping Israel - Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C756NOPyDA

Israel feels hurt by global condemnation
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=81936&sectionid=351020202


Dude i just saw Ron Paul's video in his take against Israel.

And I agree 100% with him. It's so pointless for America to support Israel by means of monetary and weapon aid for the recent Gaza conflict right now.

First, nobody knows for sure whose fault it is in the first place, palestine or israel. If America intended to intervene at all (which i don't think they should), they should do it when it becomes clear which side was actually at fault. Now, not only Israel have a bad image to the whole world, America will also suffer the same fate. (well bush had already done an excellent job at that, but still)

Second, America is broke right now. Her economy is getting worse and worse. Why is it forcing herself to cough up some money for fighting a war that wasn't even theirs? I think this is severly important to say because the thing is, if America's economy face an even worse downturn, then she will drag along the rest of the world with her.
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Yes, I would agree that Hamas isn't the only one at fault and that OP shouldn't really have judged, no matter how the story went. I just hope everything would end soon.
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you shouldn't believe everything that you see and told , your so easy to trick and if the little kid punches the big ones nose alot of time doesn't give the big kid to beat the crap out of him , maybe he can punch him in the nose too just to show how it is or try to negotiate with him
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azera wrote:

Joe the Plumber calls on Obama to help Israel
http://www.examiner.com/a-1789647~Joe_the_Plumber_calls_on_Obama_to_help_Israel.html

If Iran should not be helping Palestine, then America should not be helping Israel - Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C756NOPyDA

Israel feels hurt by global condemnation
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=81936&sectionid=351020202


Thanks for the links but lol not surprised by joe the plumber at all even when we first knew about him. Mccain supporter, frequent visits to fox and now he gots this new thing traveling to Israel to meet your average Israel "Joe's". One sided as usual and now he asks Obama to help Israel as if they are losing to Palestine or something this is extremely laughable at best. On your third article which is insight I love how Israel thinks because people are condemning them killing what is it now 919 civilians that we are anti semite. Lol that word "anti semite" is getting old and dieing now and will no longer be used as an excuse to cover up criticism. Sure wish the muslims had an excuse word like that so they can say," O your just being anti-muslimite." Sorry Israel you may be jews but that means nothing people know wrong when they see it.
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drizza wrote:


azera wrote:

Joe the Plumber calls on Obama to help Israel
http://www.examiner.com/a-1789647~Joe_the_Plumber_calls_on_Obama_to_help_Israel.html

If Iran should not be helping Palestine, then America should not be helping Israel - Ron Paul
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6C756NOPyDA

Israel feels hurt by global condemnation
http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=81936&sectionid=351020202


Thanks for the links but lol not surprised by joe the plumber at all even when we first knew about him. Mccain supporter, frequent visits to fox and now he gots this new thing traveling to Israel to meet your average Israel "Joe's". One sided as usual and now he asks Obama to help Israel as if they are losing to Palestine or something this is extremely laughable at best. On your third article which is insight I love how Israel thinks because people are condemning them killing what is it now 919 civilians that we are anti semite. Lol that word "anti semite" is getting old and dieing now and will no longer be used as an excuse to cover up criticism. Sure wish the muslims had an excuse word like that so they can say," O your just being anti-muslimite." Sorry Israel you may be jews but that means nothing people know wrong when they see it.


the idea of anti-muslimite=
I think that should be the word I'll use against all... 'You're such an anti-muslimite, curses on you' :P

I actually agree, the first one had me laughing. He got one thing right though, the media really hasn't got the story right... lets give him some points for that though (even though his reasoning is much more different than mine XD) :P

Your right, they have completly over-used the words 'anti-semitic'. It's like a fad, remember the good old 'Blitzed' from the 60's (even though I'm 16, I use it just to piss people off... and they don't even know what it means.... well... my grandparents do XD) anyways, it eventually fades and it will no longer be used as an excuse.

The can go on about how people hate Jews, and yeah it's partially true, but this is no longer about who hates who, it's about the death toll and ceasing fire... who gives a rats ass about religion in these situations - MOVE ON.
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This is the third time I am hearing Israel broke the cease fire... and this is from a jew... It starts like this and you can read the rest

The record is fairly clear. You can find it on the Israeli website, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs website. Israel broke the ceasefire by going into the Gaza and killing six or seven Palestinian militants. At that point—and now I’m quoting the official Israeli website—Hamas retaliated or, in retaliation for the Israeli attack, then launched the missiles.

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Well basically both palestine and israel signed a temporary truce. It was all good until Israel demands all gaza strips and west bank borders be closed, neighboring country's borders included (like egypt for example). Oh and construct a defensive wall which is near a river and cuts off water supply for Palestine as a side-effect

It's an understandable action for Israel to close the borders because Hamas keep smuggling weapon through these borders and Israel were probably concerned about her security. And the wall for the same reason

But those borders entrance are also the only way Palestine's civilian can recieve food and basic medical aids from the UN. And those walls. Again, I understand it's probably to keep the radical terrorist away. But Israel should've put more consideration in constructing them because.. Water supply is a matter of life and death to the Palestinian civilian. (which btw, means that, contrary to OP's claim, starving the Palestinian is NOT part of the "war". That wasn't a battle strategy by Israel. It's just one of those dumb shit OP says alot)

I'm not saying all these to justify the Hamas firing rockets at Israel. They should've picked a better negotiating method. I'm not on the hamas side neither. But i'm just saying that. Not all of this conflict's fault lies at their feet. There's more to the story than them just being a crazy jihadist doing crazy stuff like usual.

I'm just sick of OP's comment like.. "Palestine is just like a small kid with bad attitude that bla bla bla and try to play victim after" or like.. "hamas should be completely eradicated, they initiated this war and they all must die" or like "I can clinically say that closing off food and water supply is just part of war". You know. A lot more dumb ass shit like that. I mean like.. One of a poster here is jewish. And pro-israel. But even she doesn't sound as extreme as OP and willing to consider both side of the story.


Egypt isn’t under Israel’s control. They chose to close their own borders. Israel may’ve encouraged this line of action but they don’t get to order Egypt around. Don’t you remember whenever Egypt was chastised by the media for its treatment of Palestinian refugees trying to cross into their territory? Israel has also asked Egypt to destroy the smuggling tunnels into Palestine, but Egypt hasn’t done that.

As far as Israel’s wall…well, it’s very terrible. I hate that people are suffering but Israel’s within her rights. She’s allowed to build that wall. How can we say, ‘you’re allowed to do this,’ but then condemn Israel when she does it? It’s very horrible, and we should find an alternative. Still, you cannot ask Israel to tear down its walls. The state exists to protect its citizens.

What if it was your nation? Wouldn’t you expect your government to do everything possible to protect you and your family? Israel has to do what’s best for Israelites, not Palestinians.

As far as me being one sided, I can list all the things I dislike about Israel if you really feel my presentation this far hasn’t been fair. How about Israel’s silly ‘cease fire’ demands? They’re asking that the tunnels into Egypt be destroyed and say that they will not agree to a cease fire until that happens…

That’s not a real cease fire, is it? That’s a politically correct execution. They’ll turn Gaza into an open-air prison and then starve them to death! It doesn’t violate international law, but it’s still pretty cold hearted.

But, that leads me back to the original point. I said that we need to destroy Hamas and you said that’s crap. That it’s one sided crap. Do you really think you can attain peace while Hamas exists?
Israel says there won’t be peace until rocket attacks and weapons smuggling stops. As I see it there are only two ways to prevent weapons smuggling and rocket attacks. Destroy the supply tunnels or destroy Hamas. The former option requires starving Palestinians to death. The later requires putting an end to an openly terroristic organization. Which do –you- prefer?

Now, if you have an alternative solution then please share. But, Hamas already said it’s not going to quit. It says it will agree to a temporary cease fire if Israel tears down its walls, yes. That’s true. But Hamas also said it has no intentions for a lasting peace. All we would accomplish with this cease fire is to delay the massacre to a day when weapons are more advanced and more people will die.

I don’t think I was unfair or unbalanced. I think I was pretty factual and presented some sources to support my claims. The world is not black and white, but it’s not gray either. It’s multicolored. Some things are red. Some things are blue, and YES some things really are black and white.

But, anyway, I've offered my solution to the problem. You judged me for it, so let's hear from you. How would you propose we create peace? Be realistic though. Here’s what we know:

Israel won’t compromise on her demands. Rocket attacks and smuggling must stop before they do. Hamas doesn’t want a lasting peace. They want to destroy Israel. They’ll allow a cease fire, but that’s it. Call it one sided but this is from their own mouths. Israel refuses to stop until it gets what it wants. They never have.

Also, you're calling me one sided. Have you called out people for being one sided in favor of your stance against Israel? Because there's been just as much if not more of that.
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Dude i just saw Ron Paul's video in his take against Israel.

And I agree 100% with him. It's so pointless for America to support Israel by means of monetary and weapon aid for the recent Gaza conflict right now.

First, nobody knows for sure whose fault it is in the first place, palestine or israel. If America intended to intervene at all (which i don't think they should), they should do it when it becomes clear which side was actually at fault. Now, not only Israel have a bad image to the whole world, America will also suffer the same fate. (well bush had already done an excellent job at that, but still)

Second, America is broke right now. Her economy is getting worse and worse. Why is it forcing herself to cough up some money for fighting a war that wasn't even theirs? I think this is severly important to say because the thing is, if America's economy face an even worse downturn, then she will drag along the rest of the world with her.


I agree that America should stay out of the conflict. I think we’ll just make it worse. As far as who’s at fault I actually think that’s irrelevant. It’s not our conflict, not our fight. Given that western powers get involved, I think they should simply pursue peace. Don’t you agree? Regardless of who is fighting the just war our job should be to prevent innocent casualties.

Israel won’t stop until missile fire and weapons smuggling do.

So, as I see it we have two choices available. Either take out Hamas or take out the tunnels that supply them. Without tunnels Hamas cannot smuggle weapons. Without weapons they cannot fire rockets at Israel. However, if we destroy those tunnels we’re condemning everybody in Gaza to a slow death. That’s their last life line. I think if you consider this logically, the best way to avoid the loss of innocent life is to take out Hamas.

After that we can re-establish Fatah rule and then come through and provide humanitarian relief programs for the victims of Israel and Hamas’ war.

As far as nobody knowing who’s at fault, we have the facts available. It’s just a matter of opinion. Hamas fired at Israel because Israel built a wall around her borders and Hamas needed access to those for weapon’s smuggling. Hamas is not interested in protecting the citizens in Gaza, we already know that. Why would they have started a war causing so much death if their goal was to pursue life? They’re fighting for their own political agenda, that’s pretty clear.

Still, who’s at fault is up to your opinion. Israel transgressed Hamas with her wall. Hamas broke the cease fire by launching rockets. Who is wrong? Is it Israel for starting an argument or Hamas for escalating that argument into an all out war?

I think that it’s a matter of perspective. Israel is meant to protect Israelites. So, from that perspective Israel was right to build the wall. From the perspective of a Palestinian, Israel was wrong because it’s starving innocent people. Still, from the perspective of a westerner I think that’s irrelevant to us. That’s important to them but it’s not our war. We just want to keep the peace.

But now I want to know who elected us world police? Maybe we should stop prying into other people’s problems?


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