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Posted 1/10/09
What weaponry martial arts school do you think is the best and why? Also give details about the school and a few pictures.

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Posted 1/10/09 , edited 1/10/09

Raze22 wrote:

What weaponry martial arts school do you think is the best and why? Also give details about the school and a few pictures.



There is no best.
It is all relative.

Some schools are better in certain aspects than others, but in general there is no 'best.'

Furthermore the prowess of the art is also relative to the practitioner.

So there's absolutely no criteria that would lead to any one art being better than another in general terms.

For example; Judo is better than TKD in terms of combat use. But TKD is better than Judo in terms of fitness.

The schools that are the more reputable and famous are that way only because a practitioner of that school gained renown.

Another example; Hyoho Niten Ichi ryu is only praised because of one single student [the creator, Shinmen Takezo AKA "Miyamoyo Musashi"] was so famous.

It is all relative.

Posted 1/26/09

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Raze22 wrote:

What weaponry martial arts school do you think is the best and why? Also give details about the school and a few pictures.



There is no best.
It is all relative.

Some schools are better in certain aspects than others, but in general there is no 'best.'

Furthermore the prowess of the art is also relative to the practitioner.

So there's absolutely no criteria that would lead to any one art being better than another in general terms.

For example; Judo is better than TKD in terms of combat use. But TKD is better than Judo in terms of fitness.

The schools that are the more reputable and famous are that way only because a practitioner of that school gained renown.

Another example; Hyoho Niten Ichi ryu is only praised because of one single student [the creator, Shinmen Takezo AKA "Miyamoyo Musashi"] was so famous.

It is all relative.



Nothing personal but he did ask for which school you thought was best......it's question of opinion. He didn't say one was better than another he just asking for what people think.
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Nothing personal but he did ask for which school you thought was best......it's question of opinion. He didn't say one was better than another he just asking for what people think.


Well then I guess this is one of those times when the fact of the matter and my opinion are the same; There's no best.

Posted 1/26/09

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Coutal wrote:

Nothing personal but he did ask for which school you thought was best......it's question of opinion. He didn't say one was better than another he just asking for what people think.


Well then I guess this is one of those times when the fact of the matter and my opinion are the same; There's no best.



That's fine with me.... . I personally don't know enough about other schools to make a fair determination of if I think one is better or not.
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Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:
Another example; Hyoho Niten Ichi ryu is only praised because of one single student [the creator, Shinmen Takezo AKA "Miyamoyo Musashi"] was so famous.


I never really looked into the schools. Do you mean Miyamoto Musashi, or is there another Musashi I haven't heard of?.

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Key_Of_Destiny wrote:


Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:
Another example; Hyoho Niten Ichi ryu is only praised because of one single student [the creator, Shinmen Takezo AKA "Miyamoyo Musashi"] was so famous.


I never really looked into the schools. Do you mean Miyamoto Musashi, or is there another Musashi I haven't heard of?.



Err yes, terrible typo. lol
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Posted 2/26/09 , edited 2/26/09
Not trully the best, I have practice kendo for nearly half a year and has gone up to kyuu 4. There I find myself difficult to fight against nito ryuu (It is said that nito ryu was Musashi`s technique, is it true?) Just the thought having to focus to two swords make me realized, it is a technique which cannot be defeated with a normal style.




Weapons: My personal opinion is katana, sharpest blade that capables of cutting human in half without much difficulties.

Well, maybe cause I just learn kendo I think about a swordsman with a shield can actually be a deadly opponent
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Not trully the best, I have practice kendo for nearly half a year and has gone up to kyuu 4. There I find myself difficult to fight against nito ryuu (It is said that nito ryu was Musashi`s technique, is it true?) Just the thought having to focus to two swords make me realized, it is a technique which cannot be defeated with a normal style.




Weapons: My personal opinion is katana, sharpest blade that capables of cutting human in half without much difficulties.

Well, maybe cause I just learn kendo I think about a swordsman with a shield can actually be a deadly opponent


Hyoho Niten Ichi ryu is Musashi Takezo's art. "Nito Zukuri" or two-sword fighting has existed far before Musashi's days.

Two swords does not necessarily mean an advantage. I've defeated, in randori, an opponent wielding nito zukuri before with one sword.
He was overconfident because he was trapped by the illusion that wielding two swords gave him an advantage.

I notice the same thing when facing students of sojutsu. They think the length of the spear is a total advantage.

Just as with mutodori, I have faced an opponent wielding a bokken with a tessen.

Overconfidence is a great weakness easily exploited.

Skill and experience always take precedence over what weapon one uses.
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Posted 2/26/09

Ice_Blue_Eyes wrote:


666monster wrote:

Not trully the best, I have practice kendo for nearly half a year and has gone up to kyuu 4. There I find myself difficult to fight against nito ryuu (It is said that nito ryu was Musashi`s technique, is it true?) Just the thought having to focus to two swords make me realized, it is a technique which cannot be defeated with a normal style.




Weapons: My personal opinion is katana, sharpest blade that capables of cutting human in half without much difficulties.

Well, maybe cause I just learn kendo I think about a swordsman with a shield can actually be a deadly opponent


Hyoho Niten Ichi ryu is Musashi Takezo's art. "Nito Zukuri" or two-sword fighting has existed far before Musashi's days.

Two swords does not necessarily mean an advantage. I've defeated, in randori, an opponent wielding nito zukuri before with one sword.
He was overconfident because he was trapped by the illusion that wielding two swords gave him an advantage.

I notice the same thing when facing students of sojutsu. They think the length of the spear is a total advantage.

Just as with mutodori, I have faced an opponent wielding a bokken with a tessen.

Overconfidence is a great weakness easily exploited.

Skill and experience always take precedence over what weapon one uses.


How about the sword and shield wielder???
About Nito, where can u attack nito??? I can see he protect his had hand and do. The only thing that open is the gyaku do, or should I just wait he/she attack then use counter technique. It is great if u can explain the details how u beat the nito and spear wielder in details so I can use it as reference.
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How about the sword and shield wielder???
About Nito, where can u attack nito??? I can see he protect his had hand and do. The only thing that open is the gyaku do, or should I just wait he/she attack then use counter technique. It is great if u can explain the details how u beat the nito and spear wielder in details so I can use it as reference.


A shield is just a shield. Like I said, experience and skill precede equipment as long as your equipment is functional.

I am not a kendoka. I am a kenjutsuka, so I can not give you technical advice against a nito opponent.

As for my bout with the nito zukuri opponent, I retained maai and stayed out of his path, he laxed his guard due to fatigue and as soon as I saw an opening I rushed in and defeated him with a kirioroshi cut.

As for the spear wielder, I blocked the wooden spear, kasumi-uke and slid my bokken in underneath the spear and cut at his stomach.

Each situation is different though. Something that works on one opponent in one bout might not work in another. That is why the ultimate discipline of martial arts is to remove all conscious thought out of the fight and to react naturally in the state of mushin.
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