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Was George Bush All Bad?
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Bush has gotten a really bad rep. To some degree he earned it, but a lot of it was political propaganda. He was accused of neglecting the environment, being racist against blacks, destroying the economy, destroying the republican political party (I don’t think the Republicans needed help for that one,) and failing to effectively react to disasters. But, since he did do his best by his merits I don't think we should see him as a bad person. (Though probably a bad president.)

Bush did actually lower taxes. As a liberal I’m not actually happy about that because I support higher taxes for better social programs. However, he campaigned on that promise and then lived up to it. Compared that to Obama who ran on ‘change’ and then hired the same old cabinet from 8-16 years ago. But, to adress the attacks:

Did he neglect the environment?

-Created the world’s largest marine reserve according to Washington Times and the EPA.

-Then created three more marine reserves which were, though not as quantum in proportion, still immensely expansive according to the environmentalist expert Enric Sala and Economist.com.

-Under his administration we’ve actually done more for the environment than the Clinton Administration and the European Union. Tony Snow/James Inhofe/Headline Earth.

Was he racist against blacks?

-George W. Bush Jr. did more for humanitarian efforts and AIDS relief in Africa than any other President in American history. Washington Times, Steve Bloomfield.

Was he unable to react to disasters?

-He sent hundreds of millions of dollars to India during the Tsunami relief program, and then spent millions more to-and here’s the impressive part-ACTUALLY make sure that the money got where it needed to be. Jonathan Stein.

Plus we can’t forget whose name is on the paper that gave us our family court system, and we must not forget who it was that applied UN pressure to keep North Korea from attaining WMODs from its nuclear program.

So, was he really as bad as his reputation? That’s at least three attacks on G.W.B that have been debunked.

What about the economy?

Bush wasn't great for the economy. However, was it he who caused the crises? Actually, no.

Independent economists say that he contributed but that he didn’t cause the crises. According to them Bush’s greatest failure was that he didn’t catch the mistakes of the Clinton Administration which put middle-class America in debt by pushing for less stringent credit and down payment requirements.

This allowed mortgage brokers less-credit-worthy home buyers subprime, adjustable rate loans with low initial payments, but exploding interest rates-according to Factchecker.com

Did he destroy the republican political party?

Nope, they didn't need his help for that. The GOP is actually younger than the Democratic Party, and it's also a minority party. With most major media providers biased to the left, it's no surprise that the minority party is being drowned out.

So, was Bush all that bad? Since he's leaving office in shame I thought it'd be merciful to shed some light on some of the things he did that I actually liked.
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Yes, but not for the reasons people talk about, sometimes I felt as though he wasn't there with us and that he just lacked leadership. I don't know how to explain it... but there was so much missing and how he seemed so naive at times... remember his little Mission Accomplished message... it just proved that he didn't see the bigger picture at times.

As a human being, he maybe nice, or kind, I wouldn't know never met him, but as a politician he pretty much messed up the republican name... then again what politician isn't somehow corrupted one way or another.
Posted 1/13/09
His approval rating is rock bottom for a reason, though I think it has a lot to do with his image as well. He looks very simple. He's not the kind of man that evokes confidence in you when you look at him. He doesn't act like a strong leader.
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AleeceNoTenshi wrote:

Yes, but not for the reasons people talk about, sometimes I felt as though he wasn't there with us and that he just lacked leadership. I don't know how to explain it... but there was so much missing and how he seemed so naive at times... remember his little Mission Accomplished message... it just proved that he didn't see the bigger picture at times.

As a human being, he maybe nice, or kind, I wouldn't know never met him, but as a politician he pretty much messed up the republican name... then again what politician isn't somehow corrupted one way or another.


Yeah, all and all he was a horrible president. But, he did good things. Was he as bad as people are saying? I don't think so, because many of the attacks on him can be easily debunked. That post had about 10 minutes of research in it. In 10 minutes I showed the error to several attacks coming from liberals and republicans. I wonder what would happen if you got an expert with more information access and time to address more attacks...how many of them would turn out to be crap? Bush is the new El Nino. EVERYTHING is his fault. That's not fair, he did some great things that we're ignoring.

Honestly until I started doing research I had no idea he'd done -anything- for Africa. Why didn't we publicize this?

But I’m glad that you can differ between a good leader and a good person. That’s kind of a rare talent these days. Like everyone attacking Obama personally because they disagree with his views? Obama’s a loving husband and father. He could do more for charity since his motto is ‘spread the wealth,’ but is it a crime to be rich?
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Idk but he was pretty bad
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AleeceNoTenshi wrote:

Yes, but not for the reasons people talk about, sometimes I felt as though he wasn't there with us and that he just lacked leadership. I don't know how to explain it... but there was so much missing and how he seemed so naive at times... remember his little Mission Accomplished message... it just proved that he didn't see the bigger picture at times.

As a human being, he maybe nice, or kind, I wouldn't know never met him, but as a politician he pretty much messed up the republican name... then again what politician isn't somehow corrupted one way or another.


Yeah, all and all he was a horrible president. But, he did good things. Was he as bad as people are saying? I don't think so, because many of the attacks on him can be easily debunked. That post had about 10 minutes of research in it. In 10 minutes I showed the error to several attacks coming from liberals and republicans. I wonder what would happen if you got an expert with more information access and time to address more attacks...how many of them would turn out to be crap? Bush is the new El Nino. EVERYTHING is his fault. That's not fair, he did some great things that we're ignoring.

Honestly until I started doing research I had no idea he'd done -anything- for Africa. Why didn't we publicize this?

But I’m glad that you can differ between a good leader and a good person. That’s kind of a rare talent these days. Like everyone attacking Obama personally because they disagree with his views? Obama’s a loving husband and father. He could do more for charity since his motto is ‘spread the wealth,’ but is it a crime to be rich?


I suppose after reading that you can see he does still hold onto his morals. If you were to ask me what i think about Bush I would simply say 'He's a politician, his status has 'hate' written all over it' I suppose he is a good husband and father as his family is by his side a lot of times. I sometimes feel bad for him, as a human being, I would feel horrible if someone threw a shoe at me (I'm one of the few who believed it was uncalled for), I would hate to be the butt of all jokes... and I would hate to be so degraded. As a politician I cannot say I respect his politics as if it is the greatest, as a human being I applaud him for being brave enough to finally defend himself (the farewell speech and all) if Bush was a typical man who lived on my street, I probably would have liked him as a person. The whole racist thing was just a sack of bullshit. They kicked him in the balls for other things, but what is worse than that is kicking a man in the balls while he's already down. It's just so wrong, I believe they shouldn't have stepped on his pride so much... we all complain about not getting the respect we deserve as humans, but he also didn't get the respect he deserved as a human but was rather attacked because of the title given to him, a politician.

As humans, were to obsessed with roles, doctors view patients not as humans but test subjects, adults view children as inferior beings that need to be constantly taught a lesson, and we unfortunately see politicians as corrupted jerks who keep on destroying everything around us. We are too obsessed with these roles, and have completly forgotten to see him as a human being.

I salute Bush as a human being, however I shake my head at his politics... now I think it's time we move on from Bush's legacy and move onto trying not to make the same judgmental mistakes with Obama.


IrisChan7 wrote:

His approval rating is rock bottom for a reason, though I think it has a lot to do with his image as well. He looks very simple. He's not the kind of man that evokes confidence in you when you look at him. He doesn't act like a strong leader.


True, but as simple people (majority of us are middle class citizens) we should see his simple image as a mirror of who we really are, not as an imagery of a lack of leadership. I'm not a fan of Bush's politics, and I don't know the man personally to hate him as a man, but I think he still deserves credit for being something half of us will never be... and that's a president.

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I bet half the people here will think I'm one of his dumb followers who is completly conservative and will not accept anyone's view point... not that I'll care XD
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Unfortunately, he kinda was pretty damn bad.

But I really do feel bad for the guy. He gets a lot of shit, really.
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Probably not.

But as a president he is pretty incompetent.
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on the economy (the main problem):

http://www.factcheck.org/elections-2008/who_caused_the_economic_crisis.html

The Real Deal

So who is to blame? There's plenty of blame to go around, and it doesn't fasten only on one party or even mainly on what Washington did or didn't do. As The Economist magazine noted recently, the problem is one of "layered irresponsibility ... with hard-working homeowners and billionaire villains each playing a role." Here's a partial list of those alleged to be at fault:

*The Federal Reserve, which slashed interest rates after the dot-com bubble burst, making credit cheap.

*Home buyers, who took advantage of easy credit to bid up the prices of homes excessively.

*Congress, which continues to support a mortgage tax deduction that gives consumers a tax incentive to buy more expensive houses.

*Real estate agents, most of whom work for the sellers rather than the buyers and who earned higher commissions from selling more expensive homes.

*The Clinton administration, which pushed for less stringent credit and downpayment requirements for working- and middle-class families.

*Mortgage brokers, who offered less-credit-worthy home buyers subprime, adjustable rate loans with low initial payments, but exploding interest rates.

*Former Federal Reserve chairman Alan Greenspan, who in 2004, near the peak of the housing bubble, encouraged Americans to take out adjustable rate mortgages.

*Wall Street firms, who paid too little attention to the quality of the risky loans that they bundled into Mortgage Backed Securities (MBS), and issued bonds using those securities as collateral.

*The Bush administration, which failed to provide needed government oversight of the increasingly dicey mortgage-backed securities market.

*An obscure accounting rule called mark-to-market, which can have the paradoxical result of making assets be worth less on paper than they are in reality during times of panic.

*Collective delusion, or a belief on the part of all parties that home prices would keep rising forever, no matter how high or how fast they had already gone up.

The U.S. economy is enormously complicated. Screwing it up takes a great deal of cooperation. Claiming that a single piece of legislation was responsible for (or could have averted) the crisis is just political grandstanding. We have no advice to offer on how best to solve the financial crisis. But these sorts of partisan caricatures can only make the task more difficult.

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for the rest of the tin foil hat wearing hippies, mosque jack offs, oprah/obama worshipers, politically correct fascists: that blame bush for everything possible - can really go fuck themselves.

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Even though personally I believe he sucked dry the liberty of our government/economy, I can't blame it entirely on him. I mean, it's the Congress that decides to wage war or something.

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lol he did all those good things near the ned of his presidency....like a few months before it ended...so he wouldnt look bad.
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Who knows, but I never liked him. Him starting the war is why I really hate him anyways.
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I actually do not think he is a bad guy. He is being who he is. America voted for him, so he is not really at fault. He was reelected after having a messy presidency for four years; that guy cannot be blamed for the problems to come. He was merely being himself. Besides, he has advisers, they could have been the cause of his stupidity even though he was said to be the decision makers for his decisions. And the US could have stopped the war. The Congress approved of the war so it happened. It is not entirely his fault that America went to war.
He is just a man being himself with a clear reason not to elect him as president, surely he cannot be blamed for all he had done. He is just a man after all, he is not perfect. Neither are the voters who voted for him. What a great guy he is though for being able to be that irresponsible while being a president. Surely you cannot pull a stunt that grandeur, can you?
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no he was unprepared for war, and was a scapegoat for a lot of things. i'm pretty sure he would have been an OK president in more peaceful times
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LemonyPanda wrote:

no he was unprepared for war, and was a scapegoat for a lot of things. i'm pretty sure he would have been an OK president in more peaceful times


A lot people would make good presidents during peaceful times...
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