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Posted 1/14/09
Interesting, but this is really the first time that I have heard anything about this...Any scientific / medical journals that you could cite?
Posted 1/14/09
It's his body and no one should be able to force him to anything. Personally I'd undergo various examinations as long as they didn't take too much of my time and caused me to lose job/education/whatnot.
Posted 1/14/09

sheighton wrote:

Interesting, but this is really the first time that I have heard anything about this...Any scientific / medical journals that you could cite?


Studies in Africa have found several female prostitutes immune to HIV, but I don't think they have any idea what it is that causes this immunity.

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sheighton wrote:

Interesting, but this is really the first time that I have heard anything about this...Any scientific / medical journals that you could cite?


There are plenty of articles available via the internet. I’ve already cited a couple sources but if you’d like more you should just google it.
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Unlike what I would do or what I feel is the right thing to do....i think that this guy should still donate blood. I would do that in a heart beat, but I wouldn't want to be a test subject like they might want there by it is logical that he denies them completely because if you give them an inch they may just take a mile.....but I would at least donate blood.
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Its selfish even he doesnt want to help the government can and most likely force him to give up his blood hypothetically speaking lol. But i think it would be wrong.
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No one has the right to force him. Hopfully he's a good guy though.
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Great topic by the way. I erased my last comment because I was confused when I wrote it. Thats what a 12 hour work day will do that to ya though. Man I hate Sundays
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HokiePokie wrote:

I don't think the government should be able put boiling water onto his skin to find out things, but there are simpler ways they can test on him that doesn't do him much harm. The research is extremely important, I would think it'd be gruesome if they did anything drastic as Hitler, and I think it could never be justified. I'm not a christian and I have no religion I follow, so I believe there is a chance that there is or isn't a after life, that's a harsh thing for me to think one man's last days being filled with torture and pain for the sake of others who I must say in nicest way were a bit "dirty" (I ran out of words that I could think up of) and their reckless actions caused it onto them (not including those born with it or those who got them through blood transfusions or anything similar.) I don't think they should force him to be a test subject for the rest of his life, but a little safe testing every now and then won't hurt him...



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Share this few articles first for anyone who may want to read a little on it.

BBC news caution over health care -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4432564.stm

A similar case in China was reported -
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-12/03/content_7190756.htm

Regarding the issue of whether we should detain him should he refuse to subject his body for research purposes "For the good of the many", its wrong and encroach on basic human rights and his personal choice. Consultation should be the key, having close family members and friends speak to him, giving a large reward for his co-operation, still the choice ultimately belongs to him, should he reject the notion to allow his body to be researched, his views must be respected. Government should also encourage healthy debate as well as educational aids on the issue of providing our body for science before or after death, and also encourage people to volunteer for blood donation drives or donate organs (kidney transplant).

This argument will fall apart though if humankind existence was in dire peril, to the point of extinction and he is the only one person and last possible hope for the cure against the rampagin' HIV virus, then yes, strap him to the chair and do all those experiments whether he wanted to or not.
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Personally, I don’t think all elements of fascism are bad. I think that if we have the means to help millions of people we have the obligation. Neglecting to do this over a sentiment about human rights is unacceptable. Trespassing on one’s rights is an evil, sure, but a greater evil still is to allow HIV to claim millions of lives and do immense damage all around the world.

We fight wars. These violate basic human rights, but we do it. We have a right to live, but when we fire weapons into cities and kill militants as well as civilians-US, UK, Australia, France-we’re violating that basic human rights. Yet, we do it! We do it because it’s necessary to protect our people!

HIV is the fastest growing health concern in the UK. Now it’s being given an opportunity to eleminate a threat to its citizens and it’s refusing to do it…because it’s concerned about the rights of one selfish man? What about the rights of those victims? They didn’t choose to contract HIV. Many people inherit it through their mother. Condemned to death before birth, harsh.

I’m not saying pull a Hitler, but force the man to give blood samples? Yes, beyond a shadow of a doubt. I agree with Hokie.


ehhh, i say let him do with his body as he wills, and when he dies, strap him to a chair. I mean if u cant convince with with money, woman, and power, then give him his choice-he deserves it. HIV may be bad, but whose at fault for contacting it? I mean is HIV genetic? isnt it an STI, or caught through the sharing of blood? Often times we humans are the cause of our own misery. We create our own problems and force some innocent guy to pay the price for them.

Babies may inherit AIDs from thier moms, but we are all "Condemned to death before birth"- YOU. "Nobody gets out of life alive".

And if i have the cure for cancer, what obligation do i have to share it with humanity? what has humanity done for me? How has humanity treated my bretheren and thier own bretheren? If i want to take such knowledge to my grave, then so be it. I dont owe anyone ne thing, besides human life is hardly worth saving. We often times dig our own graves and ignorance is never an excuss in this day and age.

So all the power to the man who decides to screw humanity over. When you decide to trample over the freedom of the individual for the safety of humanity, you niether deserve your own personal freedom or safety.peace over war
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Posted 11/2/09

JJT2 wrote:


SeraphAlford wrote:


HokiePokie wrote:

I don't think the government should be able put boiling water onto his skin to find out things, but there are simpler ways they can test on him that doesn't do him much harm. The research is extremely important, I would think it'd be gruesome if they did anything drastic as Hitler, and I think it could never be justified. I'm not a christian and I have no religion I follow, so I believe there is a chance that there is or isn't a after life, that's a harsh thing for me to think one man's last days being filled with torture and pain for the sake of others who I must say in nicest way were a bit "dirty" (I ran out of words that I could think up of) and their reckless actions caused it onto them (not including those born with it or those who got them through blood transfusions or anything similar.) I don't think they should force him to be a test subject for the rest of his life, but a little safe testing every now and then won't hurt him...



Northboundsnow wrote:

Share this few articles first for anyone who may want to read a little on it.

BBC news caution over health care -
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/4432564.stm

A similar case in China was reported -
http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2007-12/03/content_7190756.htm

Regarding the issue of whether we should detain him should he refuse to subject his body for research purposes "For the good of the many", its wrong and encroach on basic human rights and his personal choice. Consultation should be the key, having close family members and friends speak to him, giving a large reward for his co-operation, still the choice ultimately belongs to him, should he reject the notion to allow his body to be researched, his views must be respected. Government should also encourage healthy debate as well as educational aids on the issue of providing our body for science before or after death, and also encourage people to volunteer for blood donation drives or donate organs (kidney transplant).

This argument will fall apart though if humankind existence was in dire peril, to the point of extinction and he is the only one person and last possible hope for the cure against the rampagin' HIV virus, then yes, strap him to the chair and do all those experiments whether he wanted to or not.
.



Personally, I don’t think all elements of fascism are bad. I think that if we have the means to help millions of people we have the obligation. Neglecting to do this over a sentiment about human rights is unacceptable. Trespassing on one’s rights is an evil, sure, but a greater evil still is to allow HIV to claim millions of lives and do immense damage all around the world.

We fight wars. These violate basic human rights, but we do it. We have a right to live, but when we fire weapons into cities and kill militants as well as civilians-US, UK, Australia, France-we’re violating that basic human rights. Yet, we do it! We do it because it’s necessary to protect our people!

HIV is the fastest growing health concern in the UK. Now it’s being given an opportunity to eleminate a threat to its citizens and it’s refusing to do it…because it’s concerned about the rights of one selfish man? What about the rights of those victims? They didn’t choose to contract HIV. Many people inherit it through their mother. Condemned to death before birth, harsh.

I’m not saying pull a Hitler, but force the man to give blood samples? Yes, beyond a shadow of a doubt. I agree with Hokie.


ehhh, i say let him do with his body as he wills, and when he dies, strap him to a chair. I mean if u cant convince with with money, woman, and power, then give him his choice-he deserves it. HIV may be bad, but whose at fault for contacting it? I mean is HIV genetic? isnt it an STI, or caught through the sharing of blood? Often times we humans are the cause of our own misery. We create our own problems and force some innocent guy to pay the price for them.

Babies may inherit AIDs from thier moms, but we are all "Condemned to death before birth"- YOU. "Nobody gets out of life alive".

And if i have the cure for cancer, what obligation do i have to share it with humanity? what has humanity done for me? How has humanity treated my bretheren and thier own bretheren? If i want to take such knowledge to my grave, then so be it. I dont owe anyone ne thing, besides human life is hardly worth saving. We often times dig our own graves and ignorance is never an excuss in this day and age.

So all the power to the man who decides to screw humanity over. When you decide to trample over the freedom of the individual for the safety of humanity, you niether deserve your own personal freedom or safety.peace over war


You think about that next your in a car wreck about to time all batter and bleeding and the one person who is there can save you life.. Will not aid you because he does not want to take the chance of getting aids. Who knows you might have it. It not like sharing needles and unprotected sex are the only two ways to get it. Can get in a fight with someone with it bust each other up.. get it that way. Someone with aids gives blood hospital misses it you need blood because something happen to you. Uups you have Aids now.
Same with transplants.


that is all I had to say about that...

Chaos over Peace!

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