Yahushua and the law
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Bible is greek for book, which is what modern day perceives as the combination of the old and new testament. Many like me call the bible,the besorah, the message. The tanak in which the world perceives as the old testament, consists of the torah and the books of prophets. The torah is the five books authored by moses. The torah contains the laws in exodus and numbers. Torah means, to teach, to instruct, or literally the law. The torah is the covenant of Israel.

If the torah is the covenant and if Yahushua is the word of Yahuah then the christians are in err and confusion. For instance, the covenant of old was written upon stones, but the covenant being made new will be written in our heart and mind. Literally, the 'law' will be written in our heart and mind. Do we just keep laws in our heart and mind if believe we don't need it? To keep something with your mind and heart is to have a love for it. If you don't love the law, it hasn't been written in your heart and mind. Just having it in your heart or your mind is not love. Love will be incomplete and must have two witnesses to agree, the mind and the heart that love will be complete.

Yahushua being the word of Yahuah can also translate in that Yahushua is the walking torah. For Yahushua said, I come not to do my own will,but the will of the Father and whatever I hear from the father, I speakthereof, and he said I come to fulfill the laws and the prophets, notto destroy them! If Yahushua is the torah, the TEACHER, and the INSTRUCTOR, then many christians who say 'we believe in you, we love you, we live for you'...they are giving lip service because the very same people who worship Yahushua are in fact the very same people whosays 'we don't need to obey him.' Why would Yahushua being the word of the Father contradict himself? He did not come to keep himself and his holiness then transfers to the one who believes in him. We receive his holiness by partaking of him through abiding, obedience. For you are known by your fruits and to whom is your master.

There are many sincere 'believers' in the world, but they do not have the love for him. They seek and seek, but like the foolish virgins think they can buy the anointed oil. Without Yahuah being their first love, they fell into a ditch and never knew why. They go to paid shepherds to feed them, but only end up being stripped naked and robbed to the last penny. Without abiding in the truth, they knew not to discern and how to test the spirit. That is why they were led astray by dragon speaking lambs. Being blind and deaf they open themselves up for harm. Yet, Yahushua had always been there calling them, follow me he said, even knocking upon the doors of many hearts. Few answers and fewer remain on the narrow path. Many presume of the most high and believe they can work their way into the kingdom.

Repent. Deny yourself and follow Yahushua. Return to your first love.Abide in Yahushua, believe and receive his word and put to practice hisword like unto a wise man. For the one who hears his words and does notobey by putting it into practice is like a fool. And when the wave came, it washed away the foolish man and his home. Repent and abide in Yahushua. Prepare your heart and mind for the coming of Yahushua. Raise your standards and become holy as the most high is Holy. Rejoice in the law for it is good and the law is Yahushua. For only through Yahushuawill you go to the Father. Yahushua is the way, the truth, and the life...the Law, the Torah, the Covenant. Judgment will come to everyone and the world soon. Therefore become holy that you may walk through the fire unscathed. For Yahushua will only come for the holy one without spot and wrinkle. Do not be found asleep or the he will come like a thief at night and you will find yourself left behind. Prepare yourself for the coming. Prepare by working in faith.

Halleluyah. Repent fellow believers in Yahushua, those who yet call him jesus. May you seek Yahushua with reverance and trembling. Receive his true name in your heart and mind and lay away the name of jesus that man gave unto him. For Yahushua is merciful that he yet answers in the name of jesus, but in time, he will no longer for the man of perdition comes in the name of jesus. Jesus is a greek name. Yahushua is of the tribe of Yahudah of Israel. Return to your roots. Deny yourself, pick up your cross, and follow Yahushua that you may grow.
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Not to be rude or anything but...Are you one of the Jehova's Witnesses who knocks on my door once in a while?
One thing though, the Covenant is actually the pact made by Abraham and the theoretical God, which in turn made Abraham the Chosen One. And then the 12 tribes of Israel became the Chosen One in the process. Then Jesus was born and the followers of him pretty much made their own Jewish religion known as Catholicism. But some of the Jews did not follow Jesus so they are still Jews. Then the world continues to do its revolutions, seasons continues, days go by and alas! a Jehova's Witness knocking at my e-door.
Seriously though, I cannot seem to figure out what you are trying to argue here. Other than you persuading us to change to "Yahushua-ism." Or hate Christianity because it is an erroneous religion.
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Not really, because the Covenant isn't the same thing as the Law of Moses. In the Bible it talks about Gentiles being ingrafted into Israel. Meaning although we are not genetically related, through the Covenant and through Christ we can be ingrafted into "Israel" (By Israel I mean God's people, not modern day Israel or Judaism) Jesus came to fulfill the Law which required sacrifice for the remission of sins. Jesus was the final atoning sacrifice under the Law, and thus established a new Law in which repentance in Jesus name is accepting the sacrifice given to us.
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The Covenant is actually the pact between Abraham and theoretical God. Check any college level history books about history. Unless of course, you are talking about a different "covenant" which sounds like a really new covenant that came out from the original covenant or just stealing the terms of stupidity to make another stupidity.
I want to elaborate on this but we are moving away from the topic.
Just wondering though, what is the actual topic of this? Can you make the argument clearer? Cause it seems to me you are just trying to be another Jehovah's Witness except that you are not Jehovah's Witness follower and you knock at my e-door, instead of my door.
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Halleluyah. Repent fellow believers in Yahushua, those who yet call him jesus. May you seek Yahushua with reverance and trembling. Receive his true name in your heart and mind and lay away the name of jesus that man gave unto him. For Yahushua is merciful that he yet answers in the name of jesus, but in time, he will no longer for the man of perdition comes in the name of jesus. Jesus is a greek name.
You remind me of the Judiazers. God doesn't want us to be worked up in being so religious, just to obey His law. I've run across a lot of you "Yahushua" people on the internet before, and I think you are way of base. You focus so much on being religous that you for get to love God and love your fellow man. You say that Yahushua is Jesus's true name? Well show me one place where Yahushua shows up in the Bible. So "Yahushua" is not above "Jesus" in any way. If anything "Jesus" is above "Yahushua" because Jesus is a logical translation of his name to English. It is not a man made name. Jesus is not a Greek name, but an English one. Iesous is Jesus's name in Greek. Jesus's disciple's used Iesous, so if they used it, I don't see why you think it's blasphemous.

If anyone is being blasphemous, you are. Like I said, Yahushua, isn't Jesus's name, just a clash between God's name and Yehoshua. So you name is in fact man made.

I don't think God is caught up in whether we call Him by His name in Hebrew, Greek, or English. Long as we strive to obey Him and follow His law.
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Did English language even existed around the Jesus' Biblical time? It did not so it cannot even be an English name. Was Latin even in use at that time the Bible is written? I am not a historian/nor a fan of language history so I am not sure about Latin but I also doubt that as Jesus was thought to live at around 4 BCE.
Yahusomething on the other hand is actually a Hebrew or Greek(whichever) name. And it can be translated to Jesus by manipulating letters and syllables. It works though.
By the way, J is not in the Hebrew language nor was it even a sound in Hebrew tongue.

Moving onto the topic, does not it make a God a dickhead if he wants you to do everything he did/want you to do? And are we really to believe Yahusomething if he said he is the son of the God that he cannot even prove to exist? That is the same thing as tricking people, is not it? Take the Mormons for example. Need I say more on that? I think not.
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how bout those nonbelievers of christ----...wt f dey dont repent,deny, have faith n follow Christ (or worse havent heard of him), yet live a good lyf, loving n serving people...so will God still put judgement on them?

im abstaining my judgement over these things.......im still questioning my beliefs..I used to have this mentality-----Do what the book is telling you!!!, but ive come to realize im trying to believe things i dont really understand.......



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im abstaining my judgement over these things.......im still questioning my beliefs..I used to have this mentality-----Do what the book is telling you!!!, but ive come to realize im trying to believe things i dont really understand.......
Really? What things don't you understand?

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I'm glad that the reason this thread is active isn't because this is actually being discussed.
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The covenant is a conditional agreement bound by a promise, which started with Abraham, the father of faith in Yahuah. The law of moses are the terms in which the israelites were to observe in order to fulfill the covenant that Yahuah will bless them with the promise. By obedience comes blessing, and of course disobedience is met with curses. In old, the covenant was written on stone. However, in the fulfillment of Yahushua the covenant will no longer be observed on stones but by the heart and mind through Yahushua. 'Why do you call me lord, lord, and do not do what I say?' Luke 6:46

You can google and find that Jesus is derived from the latin Iesus from the greek Iesous, from the hebrew Yehshua. However, I tell you, it's not his name. Yehshua is hebrew, but it is a feminine abbreviation of Yahushua. Yahushua and Yehshua share a similar meaning 'to save' or 'to deliver' in the 'shua'. However, the clue to knowing that Yahusha is really the messiah's name is in John 5:43 where he said I come in my father's name. Thus if you know the Father's name, it's that much easier to know the name of the Son.

I can't show you the name of Yahushua in today's version of scripture, but I can show you where it came from by tracing it's roots. Today's version of scripture is white washed. Do not presume it is original. Also do not compromise the name of the messiah or the Father's name. They do care about their name as the Father's name in hebrew was written some 7000 times in the tanak, but translators blotted it out with titles such as lord or god/god almighty. It's your responsibility to find out the truth or remain in the apostasy. In the truth is joy. Psalms 135:13 ''O Yahuah, your name is forever, O Yahuah, your rememberance to all generations.'' To verify this truth of scripture, Yahuah's abbreviated name, Yah, is found in halleluyah. Halleluyah is hebrew for Praise Yahuah. If you believe I misspelled the word, the letter 'J' is about 400 years old. Go figures.
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vaghpia speaks such pure truth and so many are unaware. Do your research!
This is the most valuable research you could do in your entire life! You may not know me, but I promise you that and trust me, on the day of the Most High, you'll be SO glad you did! ^__^
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Okay then. when are we going to get ED extended?
At least this will give our two champions of Atheism something better to do than to verbally bash every Muslim in every thread they post.
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Christians, How do you explain the story of Horus?
Egyptian Mythology was set out in the Book of the Dead, written in 1280 BCE. It documents one of their gods, Horus.
Horus:
-was the son of god Osiris
-born to a virgin mother
-baptised in a river by Anup the Baptiser (who was later beheaded)
-Horus was tempted in a desert when he was alone
-he healed the sick, the blind
-he cast out demons
-he walked on water
-he raised a man from the dead named Asar. Asar perfectly translates to Lazarus
-he had 12 disciples
-Horus was crucified
-after 3 days two women announced his resurrection
-HE WAS THE SAVIOR OF HUMANITY

Sound familiar?
You believe the story of Jesus, why don't you believe the story of Horus who was documented 1300 years before Jesus.
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Christians, How do you explain the story of Horus?
Egyptian Mythology was set out in the Book of the Dead, written in 1280 BCE. It documents one of their gods, Horus.
Horus:
-was the son of god Osiris
-born to a virgin mother
-baptised in a river by Anup the Baptiser (who was later beheaded)
-Horus was tempted in a desert when he was alone
-he healed the sick, the blind
-he cast out demons
-he walked on water
-he raised a man from the dead named Asar. Asar perfectly translates to Lazarus
-he had 12 disciples
-Horus was crucified
-after 3 days two women announced his resurrection
-HE WAS THE SAVIOR OF HUMANITY

Sound familiar?
You believe the story of Jesus, why don't you believe the story of Horus who was documented 1300 years before Jesus.


Okay, cool! I appreciate having this shared, because it further challenges me to understand what I believe.
Since both the Egyptian & Israeli cultures began in the same areas of the Middle East, it's not a stretch to say they could easily have shared similar versions of stories & oral histories.
Promises, or references of a coming savior began in the Book of Genesis which Moses is credited with writing down, these being the oral histories of the creation, the first man, the calling to Abraham & the covenants God made w/ him. The books of Moses (Pentateuch-the first five of the Old Test.) are thought to have been written sometime around 1440 BCE.
The details of Horus' life given above, being far more detailed than the prophesies & oral traditions of Moses' time, is sited as coming from the Book of the Dead, of which I'm not familiar. In my readings of mythology over the years, I got the impression the goddess Isis' husband (also her brother ) was the god Osiris & he is credited as being the father of Horus. This doesn't indicate virgin birth to me. As to the other details, I cannot speak.
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