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^Lol I know right I knew this thread will turn ignorant. I even heard someone on here say they believe if they kill people they will go to heaven which there is no proof in the Quran about that. The majority of people on this thread who are ignorant comes from the west so you shouldnt be surprised. They only get one view from the news station and whatever that view is they believe because they dont do any research. The bias in the opening passage of this thread sets the stage for this whole thing to be anti muslim. It is just halirious how ignorant people believe Israel is just minding their own business and Hamas out of no where attacks.
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Yei wrote:


SeraphAlford wrote:


suzakunomiko wrote:
F....**** Osama bin s...* and all the other a...*h...** out there who think they know everything about Islam while in reality they don't know s...*!!!!!

I's so happy that someone finally had the courage to say something and to stand against O.B.L! BRAVO

Let me just point out once and for all that Jihad isn't about Islam vs. other religions/beliefs but on two other things:

- Big Jihad which is basically the inner fight you have with whether to believe in God or not. (like when you doubt about the existence of God)

- little Jihad which means that as a muslim you have the right to DEFEND yourself if someone attacks/say bad things about your religion.

The latter is what they have gotten totally and completely WRONG!!! I don't have ANYTHING against jews or any other religious beliefs whatsoever! What is important for me is the actions of each individual! menaing if a person is bad then I don't like that person!!


In western murder cases a common plea is “self defense,” because you can’t be arrested for defending yourself. Jihad is supposed to be self defense but it’s so easy to start a war and then say that you’re just defending yourself-or, in the case of Muslim nations-call it Jihad. Like israel and Hamas. Hamas starts a war for politics and justifies it through jihad.



Hamas didn't start any war and it has nothing to do with Jihad. Stop watching Fox News.




Lolz. Okay.
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^Lol I know right I knew this thread will turn ignorant. I even heard someone on here say they believe if they kill people they will go to heaven which there is no proof in the Quran about that. The majority of people on this thread who are ignorant comes from the west so you shouldnt be surprised. They only get one view from the news station and whatever that view is they believe because they dont do any research. The bias in the opening passage of this thread sets the stage for this whole thing to be anti muslim. It is just halirious how ignorant people believe Israel is just minding their own business and Hamas out of no where attacks.


Kind of like how people from the Middle East only get one point of view and so ignorantly believe that Hamas isn’t a terrorist organization?
Posted 2/8/09

Yei wrote:


SeraphAlford wrote:


suzakunomiko wrote:
F....**** Osama bin s...* and all the other a...*h...** out there who think they know everything about Islam while in reality they don't know s...*!!!!!

I's so happy that someone finally had the courage to say something and to stand against O.B.L! BRAVO

Let me just point out once and for all that Jihad isn't about Islam vs. other religions/beliefs but on two other things:

- Big Jihad which is basically the inner fight you have with whether to believe in God or not. (like when you doubt about the existence of God)

- little Jihad which means that as a muslim you have the right to DEFEND yourself if someone attacks/say bad things about your religion.

The latter is what they have gotten totally and completely WRONG!!! I don't have ANYTHING against jews or any other religious beliefs whatsoever! What is important for me is the actions of each individual! menaing if a person is bad then I don't like that person!!


In western murder cases a common plea is “self defense,” because you can’t be arrested for defending yourself. Jihad is supposed to be self defense but it’s so easy to start a war and then say that you’re just defending yourself-or, in the case of Muslim nations-call it Jihad. Like israel and Hamas. Hamas starts a war for politics and justifies it through jihad.



Hamas didn't start any war and it has nothing to do with Jihad. Stop watching Fox News.


must be nice to use fox news for an excuse for everything
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drizza wrote:

^Lol I know right I knew this thread will turn ignorant. I even heard someone on here say they believe if they kill people they will go to heaven which there is no proof in the Quran about that. The majority of people on this thread who are ignorant comes from the west so you shouldnt be surprised. They only get one view from the news station and whatever that view is they believe because they dont do any research. The bias in the opening passage of this thread sets the stage for this whole thing to be anti muslim. It is just halirious how ignorant people believe Israel is just minding their own business and Hamas out of no where attacks.


Kind of like how people from the Middle East only get one point of view and so ignorantly believe that Hamas isn’t a terrorist organization?


Well they aren't, so I don't know if they're the ignorant ones.
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asamiueto wrote:


Yei wrote:


SeraphAlford wrote:


suzakunomiko wrote:
F....**** Osama bin s...* and all the other a...*h...** out there who think they know everything about Islam while in reality they don't know s...*!!!!!

I's so happy that someone finally had the courage to say something and to stand against O.B.L! BRAVO

Let me just point out once and for all that Jihad isn't about Islam vs. other religions/beliefs but on two other things:

- Big Jihad which is basically the inner fight you have with whether to believe in God or not. (like when you doubt about the existence of God)

- little Jihad which means that as a muslim you have the right to DEFEND yourself if someone attacks/say bad things about your religion.

The latter is what they have gotten totally and completely WRONG!!! I don't have ANYTHING against jews or any other religious beliefs whatsoever! What is important for me is the actions of each individual! menaing if a person is bad then I don't like that person!!


In western murder cases a common plea is “self defense,” because you can’t be arrested for defending yourself. Jihad is supposed to be self defense but it’s so easy to start a war and then say that you’re just defending yourself-or, in the case of Muslim nations-call it Jihad. Like israel and Hamas. Hamas starts a war for politics and justifies it through jihad.



Hamas didn't start any war and it has nothing to do with Jihad. Stop watching Fox News.


must be nice to use fox news for an excuse for everything



Well it's not just Fox News, it's all the news for us here in the west. They are all under pressure to lie about the situation and mislead people, Fox is obviously the worst, CNN doesn't completely fold to the pressure but they still don't tell the truth.

When the conflict started there was a protest of 2000 Israelis in Jerusalem and it didn't get reported on. A few years back when a young American girl went to Palestine as a peace worker and tried protested the bulldozing of innocent Palestinians homes that has been going on for decades, they ran her over with the bulldozer and killed her. No station reported it.........

That's how much the US controls what you know about this,
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of Muslim nations-call it Jihad. Like israel and Hamas. Hamas starts a war for politics and justifies it through jihad.


But they're not calling it "self-defense" - For them Jihad means "war" or "Attack". They think that Jihad is "holy war" not "holy self-defense"...
And btw - they believe that by killing people they can enter paradise...how stupid is that? If they had taken the time to read the Quran instead of blowing up themselves, they would find that God has forbidden killing - and suicide! <-- these are like the MOST UNholy things you can do as a muslim...

I don’t know about that. I know that Hamas itself is a genocidal terrorist organization, but the militants themselves are victims of their own. They’ve been convinced and raised to believe that these leaders are ushering the will of God. The Qur’an says that those who sacrifice themselves for Allah are rewarded for it. Obviously Allah doesn’t want them to kill themselves or innocent people-but Hamas has them convinced that he does.

Kind of like the Christian Invasion of Muslim territory during the Crusades. The Catholic Church was very corrupt-but the Catholics themselves were immensely pious. They were just being deceived by somebody they trusted-a greedy and power hungry pope. One of the differences between Islam and Christianity is that in Islam people are encouraged to defend themselves.

In Christianity you’re supposed to “turn the other cheek.” There’s nothing in Christianity about war, but these brilliant-corrupt, but brilliant-church leaders twisted scriptures and convinced them otherwise.

The Qur’an is very easy to twist because it tells stories about certain events. In one example a group of Muslims were under attack by Jews. Muhammad ordered them to kill the Jews. People now take these Surah to mean that ALL Muslims must kill ALL Jews-but that’s NOT what Muhammad was saying.

Muhammad was talking to specific people in a specific situation. So, I think the best line of action would be to pray that the Hamas militants have their eyes opened. That people become disillusioned with the terroristic organization that is Hamas.

I was astounded at the level of ignorance on here concerning Hamas. That people actually believed they were anything other than a terrorist organization was almost amusing, and yet very sad.

Well, anyway, I suppose all you can do is pray, huh?

But yeah, your explanation of Jihad is accurate.
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SeraphAlford wrote:


suzakunomiko wrote:
of Muslim nations-call it Jihad. Like israel and Hamas. Hamas starts a war for politics and justifies it through jihad.


But they're not calling it "self-defense" - For them Jihad means "war" or "Attack". They think that Jihad is "holy war" not "holy self-defense"...
And btw - they believe that by killing people they can enter paradise...how stupid is that? If they had taken the time to read the Quran instead of blowing up themselves, they would find that God has forbidden killing - and suicide! <-- these are like the MOST UNholy things you can do as a muslim...


I don’t know about that. I know that Hamas itself is a genocidal terrorist organization, but the militants themselves are victims of their own. They’ve been convinced and raised to believe that these leaders are ushering the will of God. The Qur’an says that those who sacrifice themselves for Allah are rewarded for it. Obviously Allah doesn’t want them to kill themselves or innocent people-but Hamas has them convinced that he does.

Kind of like the Christian Invasion of Muslim territory during the Crusades. The Catholic Church was very corrupt-but the Catholics themselves were immensely pious. They were just being deceived by somebody they trusted-a greedy and power hungry pope. One of the differences between Islam and Christianity is that in Islam people are encouraged to defend themselves.

In Christianity you’re supposed to “turn the other cheek.” There’s nothing in Christianity about war, but these brilliant-corrupt, but brilliant-church leaders twisted scriptures and convinced them otherwise.

The Qur’an is very easy to twist because it tells stories about certain events. In one example a group of Muslims were under attack by Jews. Muhammad ordered them to kill the Jews. People now take these Surah to mean that ALL Muslims must kill ALL Jews-but that’s NOT what Muhammad was saying.

Muhammad was talking to specific people in a specific situation. So, I think the best line of action would be to pray that the Hamas militants have their eyes opened. That people become disillusioned with the terroristic organization that is Hamas.

I was astounded at the level of ignorance on here concerning Hamas. That people actually believed they were anything other than a terrorist organization was almost amusing, and yet very sad.

Well, anyway, I suppose all you can do is pray, huh?

But yeah, your explanation of Jihad is accurate.


terrorism:

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

Hamas is not the terrorist, Israel/US is. It has the intention of fighting for their people's rights. They are trying to stop the oppression, it's self-defense. They are not killing people for religious reasons or for fun.

If you want to call Hamas a terrorist organization, then that would mean the French Resistance was a terrorist organization. Well, the French Resistance was there to fight Nazi rule. They killed some innocent Germans, but their country was taken over by Nazis. Nazis were massacring their people and taking away all their rights. They had to do something. If the French Resistance was a terrorist organization, then ok, Hamas is too. But they have my full respect.
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Yei wrote:



terrorism:

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.


Hey, it's Hamas in a nut shell!

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SeraphAlford wrote:


Yei wrote:



terrorism:

The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence by a person or an organized group against people or property with the intention of intimidating or coercing societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.


Hey, it's Hamas in a nut shell!



Hmmm no, that's exactly what the US/Israel is in a nutshell. Hamas doesn't fit that definition exactly, it has different intentions, if you continued reading my post I explained it.
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Yei wrote:Hmmm no, that;s exactly what the US/Israel is in a nutshell. Hamas doesn't fit that definition exactly, it has different intentions, if you continued reading my post I explain it.


Okay, you win. US is a terrorist.
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as far as which news station is the worst - that can be argued either way depending on your views.
imo, nbc is by far the worst on everything. but that doesn't matter.

just out of curiosity, what news sites do you enjoy?

i don't watch tv much for anything. for quick general news:
i enjoy http://www.drudgereport.com/ as it's well respected on both left / right sides.
headlines / sources from all over. links to most everything.
and the http://online.wsj.com/home-page for views that i generally favor.
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SeraphAlford wrote:


Yei wrote:Hmmm no, that;s exactly what the US/Israel is in a nutshell. Hamas doesn't fit that definition exactly, it has different intentions, if you continued reading my post I explain it.


Okay, you win. US is a terrorist.


Well.... that's pretty obvious. No one really debates that anymore, most intelligent people have already established what the US is.

But anyways, do you know a guy named Norman Finkelstein? I think I'll start another topic about him, he's a Jewish Professor known for criticizing Israel, and he has this lecture he gives that completely covers all aspects of this conflict and shows how it's not really controversial if you look at the facts and the record.
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asamiueto wrote:


Yei wrote:



as far as which news station is the worst - that can be argued either way depending on your views.
imo, nbc is by far the worst on everything. but that doesn't matter.

just out of curiosity, what news sites do you enjoy?

i don't watch tv much for anything. for quick general news:
i enjoy http://www.drudgereport.com/ as it's well respected on both left / right sides.
headlines / sources from all over. links to most everything.
and the http://online.wsj.com/home-page for views that i generally favor.


For just quick general news I usually do watch tv, my Canadian networks like Global or CBC aren't that bad. Al-Jazeera English & BBC are also pretty good because they will show you the whole picture if you watch both.

If it's something like the recent Gaza massacre, and I wanna know everything, I'll check Amnesty International's report, and the UN reports as well, those never lie.
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Yei wrote:


SeraphAlford wrote:


Yei wrote:Hmmm no, that;s exactly what the US/Israel is in a nutshell. Hamas doesn't fit that definition exactly, it has different intentions, if you continued reading my post I explain it.


Okay, you win. US is a terrorist.


Well.... that's pretty obvious. No one really debates that anymore, most intelligent people have already established what the US is.

But anyways, do you know a guy named Norman Finkelstein? I think I'll start another topic about him, he's a Jewish Professor known for criticizing Israel, and he has this lecture he gives that completely covers all aspects of this conflict and shows how it's not really controversial if you look at the facts and the record.


Can you please stop quoting me? I'm tired of all the notifications.
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