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Well when I watch Al Jeezra which I rarely do because most my info comes from reading articles from various websites you hear that Palestinians were killed back in november so in response a rocket which killed nothing was launched into Israel. On the west you hear Israel was following the peace treaty then all of a sudden Hamas attacks so now Israel has the right to defend herself. Never mind the occupation, starvation, and the november killings Israel is just on all its actions. So you can prance on all you want Hamas is a terrorist organization but your a fool if you think Israel actions has nothing to do with terror because when the ratiro is 100:1 schools being bombed, mosques, hospitals then your extremely blind and are being uninformed like the rest of the brain dead americans. It is always good to see a home grown American who sees past the propaganda but sadly there isnt many of us that can.

Speaking on news networks Fox is always mentioned because it is the easiest to spot any bias on that network. The false claim, "fair and balanced" is laughable also many Americans who agree with the neo con agenda can see this. That is a pro republican network, bush supporting, anti democrat (i dont like them much myself), anti Islam, anti arab since when did any of these I just citied been viewed positivly on that network? I would give Fox the benefit of the doubt if they stood by their word with being fair and balanced and do just that report fair and balanced but they dont. All they report is Rupert Murdoch view on things. I dont know if it is just me but when you can see bias clear right there in your face sometimes you just laugh and I find myself doing that a lot of Fox especially watching the fear mongering Hannity who still talks about Rev Jermiah Wright. If you watched his whole speech without the sound bites you wouldnt see the hate speech but it sounded like it because of sound bites.

Also it is kind of embarassing because many of the ignorant people who speak on here is from my country and we are portraying ourselves as ignorant hypocrites. I am getting tired of people saying Americans are dumb but that statement will never go away as long as you get ignorant people on here, "Kill all muslims, Kill those Muhammadins (a word generated from the west), Jihadist (another word and term tooken way out of context generated from the west)." but then they say muslims want to kill all jews well my question to you how you are different from those you call extremists if your saying kill them all? Hypocrite much?
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drizza wrote:

Well when I watch Al Jeezra which I rarely do because most my info comes from reading articles from various websites you hear that Palestinians were killed back in november so in response a rocket which killed nothing was launched into Israel. On the west you hear Israel was following the peace treaty then all of a sudden Hamas attacks so now Israel has the right to defend herself. Never mind the occupation, starvation, and the november killings Israel is just on all its actions. So you can prance on all you want Hamas is a terrorist organization but your a fool if you think Israel actions has nothing to do with terror because when the ratiro is 100:1 schools being bombed, mosques, hospitals then your extremely blind and are being uninformed like the rest of the brain dead americans. It is always good to see a home grown American who sees past the propaganda but sadly there isnt many of us that can.


^ Prime example of his own concluding sentence.
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Nayru wrote:


drizza wrote:

Well when I watch Al Jeezra which I rarely do because most my info comes from reading articles from various websites you hear that Palestinians were killed back in november so in response a rocket which killed nothing was launched into Israel. On the west you hear Israel was following the peace treaty then all of a sudden Hamas attacks so now Israel has the right to defend herself. Never mind the occupation, starvation, and the november killings Israel is just on all its actions. So you can prance on all you want Hamas is a terrorist organization but your a fool if you think Israel actions has nothing to do with terror because when the ratiro is 100:1 schools being bombed, mosques, hospitals then your extremely blind and are being uninformed like the rest of the brain dead americans. It is always good to see a home grown American who sees past the propaganda but sadly there isnt many of us that can.


^ Prime example of his own concluding sentence.


How so?
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A good place to get info from is democracy now because I like how they put a pro Israel official and a pro Palestinian offical and have them debate without cutting them off. What we never see here in the USA always Israels view and sympathy for Israel who isnt suffering a fraction of what Palestinian people are but yet we are suppose to ignorantly believe they are the victims here.
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Yei wrote:


Nayru wrote:


drizza wrote:

Well when I watch Al Jeezra which I rarely do because most my info comes from reading articles from various websites you hear that Palestinians were killed back in november so in response a rocket which killed nothing was launched into Israel. On the west you hear Israel was following the peace treaty then all of a sudden Hamas attacks so now Israel has the right to defend herself. Never mind the occupation, starvation, and the november killings Israel is just on all its actions. So you can prance on all you want Hamas is a terrorist organization but your a fool if you think Israel actions has nothing to do with terror because when the ratiro is 100:1 schools being bombed, mosques, hospitals then your extremely blind and are being uninformed like the rest of the brain dead americans. It is always good to see a home grown American who sees past the propaganda but sadly there isnt many of us that can.


^ Prime example of his own concluding sentence.


How so?


I'm being sarcastic.

Such is the folly of the internet.
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I think there is propaganda from both sides. From the Middle East, they depict Israel as being warmongering dogs who seek to murder all Muslims and the Palestinians. Some of the propaganda I see from Middle Eastern Media depicting Jews in these ways. (Jews as plotting to control the world, Jews acquire wealth by stealing, that the Jews control the media, government and finance. That the holocaust is a lie and aimed and gaining pity from the west). They never put Israel is a good light and they make them seem like the most evil group of people on earth. From the western media, they fail to report the suffering of Palestinians both form the Hamas government and from Israel intervention (border control, aid restrictions, etc...) However recently Israel has allowed aid into Gaza, and Hamas has been stealing it (something the UN said in an official report, not Israel). The western media also seems to paint all Palestinians as being war mongering Jihadist bent on the destruction of Israel and the west, which simply is not true in the least. It is very hard to come across unbiased sources and factual news networks.
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Man it's really sad knowing how powerful the government can be when it comes to manipulating public opinion.

The real problem with issue is there's so many people who think they know what they are talking about but they couldn't be any more ignorant. It's not a controversial issue, its sooo clear.

I don't know if I should make another topic explaining everything from the beginning so we don't got ignorant people walking around making posts like they know wtf they are talking about.
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I think there is propaganda from both sides. From the Middle East, they depict Israel as being warmongering dogs who seek to murder all Muslims and the Palestinians. Some of the propaganda I see from Middle Eastern Media depicting Jews in these ways. (Jews as plotting to control the world, Jews acquire wealth by stealing, that the Jews control the media, government and finance. That the holocaust is a lie and aimed and gaining pity from the west). They never put Israel is a good light and they make them seem like the most evil group of people on earth. From the western media, they fail to report the suffering of Palestinians both form the Hamas government and from Israel intervention (border control, aid restrictions, etc...) However recently Israel has allowed aid into Gaza, and Hamas has been stealing it (something the UN said in an official report, not Israel). The western media also seems to paint all Palestinians as being war mongering Jihadist bent on the destruction of Israel and the west, which simply is not true in the least. It is very hard to come across unbiased sources and factual news networks.


The propaganda you are talking about on the Arab side is more like religious extremism. And even the moderate ones believe similar stuff, but it's not propaganda exactly, it's because they see everything Israel does, so coming to the conclusion that it is the most evil country isn't that hard.

On the western side there's the propaganda of how Hamas is a terrorist organization, and how they do all these evil things and all Israel wants is peace. But they don't tell the truth though, and looks like that propaganda worked on you/
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I think there is propaganda from both sides. From the Middle East, they depict Israel as being warmongering dogs who seek to murder all Muslims and the Palestinians. Some of the propaganda I see from Middle Eastern Media depicting Jews in these ways. (Jews as plotting to control the world, Jews acquire wealth by stealing, that the Jews control the media, government and finance. That the holocaust is a lie and aimed and gaining pity from the west). They never put Israel is a good light and they make them seem like the most evil group of people on earth. From the western media, they fail to report the suffering of Palestinians both form the Hamas government and from Israel intervention (border control, aid restrictions, etc...) However recently Israel has allowed aid into Gaza, and Hamas has been stealing it (something the UN said in an official report, not Israel). The western media also seems to paint all Palestinians as being war mongering Jihadist bent on the destruction of Israel and the west, which simply is not true in the least. It is very hard to come across unbiased sources and factual news networks.


Well please if you can show me what media is actually reporting that Jews is taking over the world because I would be very interested in seeing that myself. Also nobody here was stating Jews wants to kill all muslims because the Israelis are killing muslims and christians and none muslims. Both Palestine and Lebanon contains both religions so we can wipe that statement right out. As I stated time and time again what about the Israelis protesting against their government actions or the Jews speaking out against Israel? It isnt hard to see the wrong doings of Israel our media is trying hard to make this into some stupid religious war which it isnt. Have you ever seen a palestinian when asked what they are fighting for they always say they are fighting for their land which has been stolen from them and it is complete silent by our western media. WHY WONT THEY REPORT THIS? WHY WONT THEY REPORT LIFE ON GAZA? Why is it they only report rocket attacks on Israel but refuse to report how the palestinians are dieing under occupation and blockades. I will tel you why they wont report this because they know we will see the horrors of Israel and side with Palestinians because Israel wrong doings is far greater then Hamas. If there are tons of Israelis dieing then and about 2-3 palestinians dieing a year then I wouldnt see Palestine as the victim I would side with Israel because aint no way in hell your suffering if less then 5 people are dieing from terrorist attacks a year. Something would seem very fishy to me.

Jews arent controlling the world but they defiantly have control over our media if you dont believe me do some reserach and see who the CEO's are of most of our media outlets and that should give you a good reason why everything always have a pro Israel slant. Check out every board of Chairman for the Federal Reserve all being jew. AIPAC strongest lobby in the US. The ADL silencing all critics of Israel. Zionist arent taking over but they have a massive grip over our country. They arent real jews but they hide under it because it is soo easy to dismiss criticism, "O the jews been through such a hard time and you hate them because they are jew." With this protection and being called an anti semite you are virtually immune from anything. The case with the holocaust people arent saying it is a lie just to hate jews they researched it and thigns didnt add up. I still believe the holocaust happened the way it did and I havent done much research yet on the other side but I plan to sometime in the future. To silence them from being out this information I believe is criminal and violates your freedom of speech. You can speak about any other incident in the world except this one. The holocaust incident you have to believe or go to jail now something is fishy about that also the case of Palestinians having to suffer for it having nothing to do with it is also criminal. But the holocaust was more of a benefit to the jews more then anything because without the Holocaust how else could the zionist convice Britain to give them Palestine?
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Yei wrote:


digs wrote:

I think there is propaganda from both sides. From the Middle East, they depict Israel as being warmongering dogs who seek to murder all Muslims and the Palestinians. Some of the propaganda I see from Middle Eastern Media depicting Jews in these ways. (Jews as plotting to control the world, Jews acquire wealth by stealing, that the Jews control the media, government and finance. That the holocaust is a lie and aimed and gaining pity from the west). They never put Israel is a good light and they make them seem like the most evil group of people on earth. From the western media, they fail to report the suffering of Palestinians both form the Hamas government and from Israel intervention (border control, aid restrictions, etc...) However recently Israel has allowed aid into Gaza, and Hamas has been stealing it (something the UN said in an official report, not Israel). The western media also seems to paint all Palestinians as being war mongering Jihadist bent on the destruction of Israel and the west, which simply is not true in the least. It is very hard to come across unbiased sources and factual news networks.


The propaganda you are talking about on the Arab side is more like religious extremism. And even the moderate ones believe similar stuff, but it's not propaganda exactly, it's because they see everything Israel does, so coming to the conclusion that it is the most evil country isn't that hard.

On the western side there's the propaganda of how Hamas is a terrorist organization, and how they do all these evil things and all Israel wants is peace. But they don't tell the truth though, and looks like that propaganda worked on you/


True, they see everything Israel does, but they selectively report what they do to only show these things in order to get the public to believe an unfavorable opinion towards Israel. They don't really report Israel's good things, or when they do genuinely try to make peace with Palestine or when Palestine acts in the wrong. Selective reporting also goes on in the west, especially when it comes to Palestinians. They paint all Palestinians as war mongering Jihadist, which is a lie and completely ignorant and wrong.

@Drizza- I have to go soon and study for 2 exams tomorrow, but I will respond to some of your post. One point I will make is the reason I think western media doesn't report on poverty in Gaza is for the same reason they don't report on the poverty in Haiti or other small heavily impoverished non African nations. Poverty just doesn't get ratings or sell in articles. Western culture is selfish and doesn't want to hear about the issues of rampant poverty. It is vitally important that we learn about these peoples conditions so we can act through aid and loving care towards these people's situations, but the greed of all networks just don't want to report because it doesn't boost ratings or sell. The only reason they wold report poverty is if it somehow boosted their own agenda or illustrated one of their points.
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digs wrote:


Yei wrote:


digs wrote:

I think there is propaganda from both sides. From the Middle East, they depict Israel as being warmongering dogs who seek to murder all Muslims and the Palestinians. Some of the propaganda I see from Middle Eastern Media depicting Jews in these ways. (Jews as plotting to control the world, Jews acquire wealth by stealing, that the Jews control the media, government and finance. That the holocaust is a lie and aimed and gaining pity from the west). They never put Israel is a good light and they make them seem like the most evil group of people on earth. From the western media, they fail to report the suffering of Palestinians both form the Hamas government and from Israel intervention (border control, aid restrictions, etc...) However recently Israel has allowed aid into Gaza, and Hamas has been stealing it (something the UN said in an official report, not Israel). The western media also seems to paint all Palestinians as being war mongering Jihadist bent on the destruction of Israel and the west, which simply is not true in the least. It is very hard to come across unbiased sources and factual news networks.


The propaganda you are talking about on the Arab side is more like religious extremism. And even the moderate ones believe similar stuff, but it's not propaganda exactly, it's because they see everything Israel does, so coming to the conclusion that it is the most evil country isn't that hard.

On the western side there's the propaganda of how Hamas is a terrorist organization, and how they do all these evil things and all Israel wants is peace. But they don't tell the truth though, and looks like that propaganda worked on you/


True, they see everything Israel does, but they selectively report what they do to only show these things in order to get the public to believe an unfavorable opinion towards Israel. They don't really report Israel's good things, or when they do genuinely try to make peace with Palestine or when Palestine acts in the wrong. Selective reporting also goes on in the west, especially when it comes to Palestinians. They paint all Palestinians as war mongering Jihadist, which is a lie and completely ignorant and wrong.

@Drizza- I have to go soon and study for 2 exams tomorrow, but I will respond to some of your post. One point I will make is the reason I think western media doesn't report on poverty in Gaza is for the same reason they don't report on the poverty in Haiti or other small heavily impoverished non African nations. Poverty just doesn't get ratings or sell in articles. Western culture is selfish and doesn't want to hear about the issues of rampant poverty. It is vitally important that we learn and act through aid on these peoples situations, but the greed of all networks just don't want to report because it doesn't boost ratings or sell. The only reason they wold report poverty is if it somehow boosted their own agenda or illustrated one of their points.


Aight hope you do well but your right Digs if they dont report what Israel puts Palestinians through then of course we will have a pro Israeli view and we will keep on funding Israel with more weapons and free money. We are directly involved in this because we tax payers are paying for all of this. THis is why our country is hated so much because we always support corrupt regimes and lie about it. What you just said proves why a lot of Americans have a pro Israel view rather then a neutral view information is not being reported accuratly.
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digs wrote:


Yei wrote:


digs wrote:

I think there is propaganda from both sides. From the Middle East, they depict Israel as being warmongering dogs who seek to murder all Muslims and the Palestinians. Some of the propaganda I see from Middle Eastern Media depicting Jews in these ways. (Jews as plotting to control the world, Jews acquire wealth by stealing, that the Jews control the media, government and finance. That the holocaust is a lie and aimed and gaining pity from the west). They never put Israel is a good light and they make them seem like the most evil group of people on earth. From the western media, they fail to report the suffering of Palestinians both form the Hamas government and from Israel intervention (border control, aid restrictions, etc...) However recently Israel has allowed aid into Gaza, and Hamas has been stealing it (something the UN said in an official report, not Israel). The western media also seems to paint all Palestinians as being war mongering Jihadist bent on the destruction of Israel and the west, which simply is not true in the least. It is very hard to come across unbiased sources and factual news networks.


The propaganda you are talking about on the Arab side is more like religious extremism. And even the moderate ones believe similar stuff, but it's not propaganda exactly, it's because they see everything Israel does, so coming to the conclusion that it is the most evil country isn't that hard.

On the western side there's the propaganda of how Hamas is a terrorist organization, and how they do all these evil things and all Israel wants is peace. But they don't tell the truth though, and looks like that propaganda worked on you/


True, they see everything Israel does, but they selectively report what they do to only show these things in order to get the public to believe an unfavorable opinion towards Israel. They don't really report Israel's good things, or when they do genuinely try to make peace with Palestine or when Palestine acts in the wrong. Selective reporting also goes on in the west, especially when it comes to Palestinians. They paint all Palestinians as war mongering Jihadist, which is a lie and completely ignorant and wrong.

@Drizza- I have to go soon and study for 2 exams tomorrow, but I will respond to some of your post. One point I will make is the reason I think western media doesn't report on poverty in Gaza is for the same reason they don't report on the poverty in Haiti or other small heavily impoverished non African nations. Poverty just doesn't get ratings or sell in articles. Western culture is selfish and doesn't want to hear about the issues of rampant poverty. It is vitally important that we learn about these peoples conditions so we can act through aid and loving care towards these people's situations, but the greed of all networks just don't want to report because it doesn't boost ratings or sell. The only reason they wold report poverty is if it somehow boosted their own agenda or illustrated one of their points.



You do know alot about this issue, but you still don't have all the info, and you've been lied to alot. Believe me when I say, Israel and Zionism are evil. This is a famous Jewish lady in my town, and I've heard some of her lectures:
http://www.shiatv.net/view_video.php?viewkey=f41402f39699b991bca0&page=&viewtype=&category=

I'm not gonna explain everything here, I'm gonna create a new topic with the full explanation. But since you're busy, I just wanna leave it at this video.
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Ernst Zundel was extra-judicially kidnapped from his wife and home in Tennessee, illegally sent to Canada, then illegally sent to Germany and sentenced after an Orwellian Show Trial where it was ruled “truth is no defense”. He was imprisoned for seven years just for having a different view of the holocaust. Denied thousands of supportive letters. He was in the USA land of the free when this happened. This man committed no crimes at all. Now my question is this what is being hidden from me about the Holocaust that results in being imprisoned for seven years? Because as I stated had it not been for the Holocaust how else would the zionist obtain Palestine?

Here is the full article.

Imprisoned Holocaust Skeptic Zundel - Denied Thousands of Supportive Letters



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The whole war between them has been decades old.

We must not forget that Israel was a land that was stolen from the jews 1000 of years ago. But just about 70 years ago it was stolen from the Muslims and made into Israel. These people living in the land were suddenly forced to move and allow Jewish peoples to come in and own the country. It was the British who forced the Muslims to change and move and to loose the land they owned.

From this some groups such as the hama grew angry and attacked the jewish peoples. Relatives died... Jews wanted revenge and it went on and on. These kids are being brought up and told how horrible the Muslims and Jews are and how they do not deserve to live. Its insanity... There is a good documentary that showed the life of Muslim and jewish kids who are brought together. Some of these people hated each other and then realized that they were not too different. Many became supporters when they learned that the other side was kids just like them.

To stop the war we have to change the minds of the kids so the next generation can have peace.
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An animated message from Rabbi Weiss, expressing what a real Jew feels towards the Arab and Muslim people of the world!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rT8cg62iKyg
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