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Why is that?


why? just read my other comments. Why not? Does it not make the most sense?
there is no such thing as a ultra super duper style or technique that auto maticly gives you to have the ability to win every fight you get into.
Styles are all the same.What happens when two muay thai fighters fight? are u really going to decide the winner of a match just because one knows muy thai?but that wont work, cause the other guy also knows muy thai.wouldnt the logical thing be to rate the individuals in this?

its not karate vs muy thai, or judo vs this and that.Its individual vs individual.If u get punched in the face, whether or not it hurts you does not depend on what style it came from.Dont all human beings punch with a balled fists?

Bruce Lee puts it this way.

"Before i studied the art, a punch to me was just a punch, a kick was just a kick.After I'd studied the art, a punch was no longer a punch, a kick was no longer a kick. Now that i understand the art, a punch is just a punch, a kick is just a kick."

Techniques,power,speed,ect. Are all based on the individual.There is no easy way to becoming a great fighter. It takes experience,skills,training, ect. Any style can teach you that, or you can turn away from styles and seek wisdom from yourself.Either way, it still falls on the individual's shoulder.peace over war

well put and going from what I was saying. I was friends(still today) with this guy in high school that was like a 2nd or 3rd degree black belt TKD. he was talking about his skill in class and I asked him is that even functional in the streets he said yes I said show me( we had a sub that day) so he stood up he started showing his the defenses and stuff.
Then i stood up and I said throw a kick he throw a faint then a kick i saw through the faint I took the hit in the side grabbed his leg he knew I was going in to trip him so he was going to punch but I knew that to so i pulled his leg back and took him off guard and I stop cuz the teacher thought we were serious but he and I knew I was going to swing his leg around and grab him from the back and choke him out. yes, technique and training is good cuz that kick hurt but fighting with set moves like being on rails it's too easy to see what ur going to do if that person has seen it some many times.
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Depends on how mentally you're prepared for the fight. Regardless how many years of training you have if you are not focused or your mind is off somewhere you can easily get beat by anyone. You speed, reaction time, ability to read your opponents next move will determine the outcome. Usually the more training/experience you have the easier it is to read opponents as well as quickly being able to become focus/concentrated once set off rhythm/off paced. With any martial arts a full impact to the head can knock you out, even a haymaker or lucky shot can take you out but if you were well prepared then you can easily avoid/dodge this.

So technically there isnt one strongest martial arts, if you pick out the best moves/forms from each one and incorporate it into your own then you may have the upper hand because you will know how to counter techniques easily hence why people say "MMA" (mixed martial arts) is the best. So all in all, everything is being mentally prepared. If you are focused to use what you have to the best of its abilities then you will win. If you lose then you just work on those weaknesses.
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There is never going to be a right answer to this question.

Every style is like a religion, its taking you to the same point at the end.

Find a style your body works well with and make it your own.

Genetics play a big role if youll ever be good at it. Don't tell me "if you work hard blah blah blah anyone can be a great fighter." Cut the crap.
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JJT2 wrote:


Dannnnyboyyy wrote:



Why is that?


why? just read my other comments. Why not? Does it not make the most sense?
there is no such thing as a ultra super duper style or technique that auto maticly gives you to have the ability to win every fight you get into.
Styles are all the same.What happens when two muay thai fighters fight? are u really going to decide the winner of a match just because one knows muy thai?but that wont work, cause the other guy also knows muy thai.wouldnt the logical thing be to rate the individuals in this?

its not karate vs muy thai, or judo vs this and that.Its individual vs individual.If u get punched in the face, whether or not it hurts you does not depend on what style it came from.Dont all human beings punch with a balled fists?

Bruce Lee puts it this way.

"Before i studied the art, a punch to me was just a punch, a kick was just a kick.After I'd studied the art, a punch was no longer a punch, a kick was no longer a kick. Now that i understand the art, a punch is just a punch, a kick is just a kick."

Techniques,power,speed,ect. Are all based on the individual.There is no easy way to becoming a great fighter. It takes experience,skills,training, ect. Any style can teach you that, or you can turn away from styles and seek wisdom from yourself.Either way, it still falls on the individual's shoulder.peace over war

well put and going from what I was saying. I was friends(still today) with this guy in high school that was like a 2nd or 3rd degree black belt TKD. he was talking about his skill in class and I asked him is that even functional in the streets he said yes I said show me( we had a sub that day) so he stood up he started showing his the defenses and stuff.
Then i stood up and I said throw a kick he throw a faint then a kick i saw through the faint I took the hit in the side grabbed his leg he knew I was going in to trip him so he was going to punch but I knew that to so i pulled his leg back and took him off guard and I stop cuz the teacher thought we were serious but he and I knew I was going to swing his leg around and grab him from the back and choke him out. yes, technique and training is good cuz that kick hurt but fighting with set moves like being on rails it's too easy to see what ur going to do if that person has seen it some many times.


But in a real scenario if he throws a kick and you grab it yes you could go for a trip but he could also kick with his other leg towards your head... that is if hes quick enough and experienced. Pulling on ones leg if hes inexperienced he will get pulled back and you can easily throw in a shot. If he was experienced and you pulled his leg he can easily lift his other leg and use the momentum to follow through toward your abdomen region. In a real fight anything goes and its not always "if this happens, counter with this" so whoever has the most technique and uses the right one at the right time will have the advantage. Not saying you would have lost the fight or you cant do this or that (im not arguing at anything) but its all a mental game. Those who practice a lot with kicking and have strengthen up their leg to kick anything would easily break your ribs if you try to catch it unless it was short and you reduced the impact.

Whenever I fight I always get thrown off by those who don't know how to fight because they're unpredictable and sloppy and will even mess with your reflexes. (ie: when i was boxing, sparring partner just lifted arm and immediately block... heck one of my friends put her arm on my shoulder and i immediately dodge it lol). So yeah every situation is different and not everyone will always win. Those who win a lot know a lot about their style and can do more than what is limited from their knowledge as well as being physically capable of delivering those moves.
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darcmonkey wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


Dannnnyboyyy wrote:



Why is that?


why? just read my other comments. Why not? Does it not make the most sense?
there is no such thing as a ultra super duper style or technique that auto maticly gives you to have the ability to win every fight you get into.
Styles are all the same.What happens when two muay thai fighters fight? are u really going to decide the winner of a match just because one knows muy thai?but that wont work, cause the other guy also knows muy thai.wouldnt the logical thing be to rate the individuals in this?

its not karate vs muy thai, or judo vs this and that.Its individual vs individual.If u get punched in the face, whether or not it hurts you does not depend on what style it came from.Dont all human beings punch with a balled fists?

Bruce Lee puts it this way.

"Before i studied the art, a punch to me was just a punch, a kick was just a kick.After I'd studied the art, a punch was no longer a punch, a kick was no longer a kick. Now that i understand the art, a punch is just a punch, a kick is just a kick."

Techniques,power,speed,ect. Are all based on the individual.There is no easy way to becoming a great fighter. It takes experience,skills,training, ect. Any style can teach you that, or you can turn away from styles and seek wisdom from yourself.Either way, it still falls on the individual's shoulder.peace over war

well put and going from what I was saying. I was friends(still today) with this guy in high school that was like a 2nd or 3rd degree black belt TKD. he was talking about his skill in class and I asked him is that even functional in the streets he said yes I said show me( we had a sub that day) so he stood up he started showing his the defenses and stuff.
Then i stood up and I said throw a kick he throw a faint then a kick i saw through the faint I took the hit in the side grabbed his leg he knew I was going in to trip him so he was going to punch but I knew that to so i pulled his leg back and took him off guard and I stop cuz the teacher thought we were serious but he and I knew I was going to swing his leg around and grab him from the back and choke him out. yes, technique and training is good cuz that kick hurt but fighting with set moves like being on rails it's too easy to see what ur going to do if that person has seen it some many times.


"technique and training is good cuz that kick hurt but fighting with set moves like being on rails it's too easy to see what ur going to do if that person has seen it some many times."

im not sure what you mean by fighting with set moves, as far as i know, all fighters have a set of techniques to used to fight. theres punching, kicking, grappling, ect.

as for moves being 'telegraphic" (easy to see), that depends on the individual as well, some people can see a move, but cant defend against. Others can defend against moves that cannot be seen and not all techiniques r telegraphic. In Jeet kune do, Bruce Lee focused on attacking like a cobra- saying that attacks should be felt but not seen. peace over war

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shaolin is the first thing what pops up in my head

Muay thai isn't that effective anyway agains a brawler -_- ( my opinion no need to Quote me if i am wrong or something like that)


muay thai ia very effective if you know how to use it. TKSD is not really street effective your not going to do a spinning kick in real life combat
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grip200kg wrote:

There is never going to be a right answer to this question.

Every style is like a religion, its taking you to the same point at the end.

Find a style your body works well with and make it your own.

Genetics play a big role if youll ever be good at it. Don't tell me "if you work hard blah blah blah anyone can be a great fighter." Cut the crap.


really? r you talking about being good at martial arts or being a great fighter? Ne human with arms and legs can be a great fighter with hard work and experience.I dont hear the military of any country saying people cant join the military because they cant fight.Maybe it was done in the past, but i think it was proven that with proper training,experience,ect. Any one can learn to fight.Genetics may play a role, but so does hard work and all that jazz.I have yet to meet a person who couldnt be a great fighter because his parents werent fighters.Same thing goes for sports as well. Look at Michael Jordan from basketball. He sucked at basketball, now he's a legend.
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"I would say". I never said these 2 are the best martial arts and all others are inferior.
I don't have a "favorite" martial art nor do I agree with the "best". I only put it in terms with what are the most "dependable" in real life situations (that's why I said depending on the situation).
I am very open to different martial arts, but I enjoy practicing MT and BJJ the most.
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TwiztidDarts wrote:


Baka-Master wrote:

shaolin is the first thing what pops up in my head

Muay thai isn't that effective anyway agains a brawler -_- ( my opinion no need to Quote me if i am wrong or something like that)


muay thai ia very effective if you know how to use it. TKSD is not really street effective your not going to do a spinning kick in real life combat


All martial arts can be used for street effectiveness if u train them that way.Fights r based on individuals, not styles. Have u ever seen TDK used outside of a sport? Have u ever tried a spinning kick in real life combat? It may not work for you, but that doesnt mean it wont work for ne one else.ITs all about the individual. Same thing with muy thai, it may not work for him, but im sure it works for someone else out there.btw, i have tried spinning kicks in combat and have been hit by them as well.But that doesnt say much if fights r based on the individual. There is no such thing as a serperior style or technique, that is silly, then the problem becomes that you trap youself in your own "style" with no growth and no adaptation.peace over war
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specialist7 wrote:


darcmonkey wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


Dannnnyboyyy wrote:



Why is that?


why? just read my other comments. Why not? Does it not make the most sense?
there is no such thing as a ultra super duper style or technique that auto maticly gives you to have the ability to win every fight you get into.
Styles are all the same.What happens when two muay thai fighters fight? are u really going to decide the winner of a match just because one knows muy thai?but that wont work, cause the other guy also knows muy thai.wouldnt the logical thing be to rate the individuals in this?

its not karate vs muy thai, or judo vs this and that.Its individual vs individual.If u get punched in the face, whether or not it hurts you does not depend on what style it came from.Dont all human beings punch with a balled fists?

Bruce Lee puts it this way.

"Before i studied the art, a punch to me was just a punch, a kick was just a kick.After I'd studied the art, a punch was no longer a punch, a kick was no longer a kick. Now that i understand the art, a punch is just a punch, a kick is just a kick."

Techniques,power,speed,ect. Are all based on the individual.There is no easy way to becoming a great fighter. It takes experience,skills,training, ect. Any style can teach you that, or you can turn away from styles and seek wisdom from yourself.Either way, it still falls on the individual's shoulder.peace over war

well put and going from what I was saying. I was friends(still today) with this guy in high school that was like a 2nd or 3rd degree black belt TKD. he was talking about his skill in class and I asked him is that even functional in the streets he said yes I said show me( we had a sub that day) so he stood up he started showing his the defenses and stuff.
Then i stood up and I said throw a kick he throw a faint then a kick i saw through the faint I took the hit in the side grabbed his leg he knew I was going in to trip him so he was going to punch but I knew that to so i pulled his leg back and took him off guard and I stop cuz the teacher thought we were serious but he and I knew I was going to swing his leg around and grab him from the back and choke him out. yes, technique and training is good cuz that kick hurt but fighting with set moves like being on rails it's too easy to see what ur going to do if that person has seen it some many times.


But in a real scenario if he throws a kick and you grab it yes you could go for a trip but he could also kick with his other leg towards your head... that is if hes quick enough and experienced. Pulling on ones leg if hes inexperienced he will get pulled back and you can easily throw in a shot. If he was experienced and you pulled his leg he can easily lift his other leg and use the momentum to follow through toward your abdomen region. In a real fight anything goes and its not always "if this happens, counter with this" so whoever has the most technique and uses the right one at the right time will have the advantage. Not saying you would have lost the fight or you cant do this or that (im not arguing at anything) but its all a mental game. Those who practice a lot with kicking and have strengthen up their leg to kick anything would easily break your ribs if you try to catch it unless it was short and you reduced the impact.

Whenever I fight I always get thrown off by those who don't know how to fight because they're unpredictable and sloppy and will even mess with your reflexes. (ie: when i was boxing, sparring partner just lifted arm and immediately block... heck one of my friends put her arm on my shoulder and i immediately dodge it lol). So yeah every situation is different and not everyone will always win. Those who win a lot know a lot about their style and can do more than what is limited from their knowledge as well as being physically capable of delivering those moves.


Yea the sacrifice kick. He said he thought about doing that but he hesitated. I know that's what u should do in that situation but it was one fluent move, i already side stepped him and was going behind him when the sub started to yell. and since we were kidding he didn't kick at full speed and I sure as hell wouldn't take a direct kick to my ribs lol. I know he can kick hard i been to one of his matches and he was on the international team he just underestimated me. but yea it all really boils down to experience. most trained ppl look down on ppl who fight in the streets or where ever, always thinking there better til they get a bottle slammed on there head or have there back rammed against parked car side view mirror. like u said anything can happen in a fight.
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JJT2 wrote:


darcmonkey wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


Dannnnyboyyy wrote:



Why is that?


why? just read my other comments. Why not? Does it not make the most sense?
there is no such thing as a ultra super duper style or technique that auto maticly gives you to have the ability to win every fight you get into.
Styles are all the same.What happens when two muay thai fighters fight? are u really going to decide the winner of a match just because one knows muy thai?but that wont work, cause the other guy also knows muy thai.wouldnt the logical thing be to rate the individuals in this?

its not karate vs muy thai, or judo vs this and that.Its individual vs individual.If u get punched in the face, whether or not it hurts you does not depend on what style it came from.Dont all human beings punch with a balled fists?

Bruce Lee puts it this way.

"Before i studied the art, a punch to me was just a punch, a kick was just a kick.After I'd studied the art, a punch was no longer a punch, a kick was no longer a kick. Now that i understand the art, a punch is just a punch, a kick is just a kick."

Techniques,power,speed,ect. Are all based on the individual.There is no easy way to becoming a great fighter. It takes experience,skills,training, ect. Any style can teach you that, or you can turn away from styles and seek wisdom from yourself.Either way, it still falls on the individual's shoulder.peace over war

well put and going from what I was saying. I was friends(still today) with this guy in high school that was like a 2nd or 3rd degree black belt TKD. he was talking about his skill in class and I asked him is that even functional in the streets he said yes I said show me( we had a sub that day) so he stood up he started showing his the defenses and stuff.
Then i stood up and I said throw a kick he throw a faint then a kick i saw through the faint I took the hit in the side grabbed his leg he knew I was going in to trip him so he was going to punch but I knew that to so i pulled his leg back and took him off guard and I stop cuz the teacher thought we were serious but he and I knew I was going to swing his leg around and grab him from the back and choke him out. yes, technique and training is good cuz that kick hurt but fighting with set moves like being on rails it's too easy to see what ur going to do if that person has seen it some many times.


"technique and training is good cuz that kick hurt but fighting with set moves like being on rails it's too easy to see what ur going to do if that person has seen it some many times."

im not sure what you mean by fighting with set moves, as far as i know, all fighters have a set of techniques to used to fight. theres punching, kicking, grappling, ect.

as for moves being 'telegraphic" (easy to see), that depends on the individual as well, some people can see a move, but cant defend against. Others can defend against moves that cannot be seen and not all techiniques r telegraphic. In Jeet kune do, Bruce Lee focused on attacking like a cobra- saying that attacks should be felt but not seen. peace over war



lol by rails and set moves each style like the grapple types and tkd etc(muy thai is too much like boxing but kinda apples) my friends showed me at their places all same to have a base set of kicks and punches that can be seen it u look at there stance. like if the guys moves this way I move that way is what i mean by rails so I could bait u into throwing a punch or kick by doing something and hitting u knowing u are going to do it out of reaction.
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grip200kg wrote:

There is never going to be a right answer to this question.

Every style is like a religion, its taking you to the same point at the end.

Find a style your body works well with and make it your own.

Genetics play a big role if youll ever be good at it. Don't tell me "if you work hard blah blah blah anyone can be a great fighter." Cut the crap.


really? r you talking about being good at martial arts or being a great fighter? Ne human with arms and legs can be a great fighter with hard work and experience.I dont hear the military of any country saying people cant join the military because they cant fight.Maybe it was done in the past, but i think it was proven that with proper training,experience,ect. Any one can learn to fight.Genetics may play a role, but so does hard work and all that jazz.I have yet to meet a person who couldnt be a great fighter because his parents werent fighters.Same thing goes for sports as well. Look at Michael Jordan from basketball. He sucked at basketball, now he's a legend.
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Your not understanding what im saying, anyone can do anything but only a few can be on the top not just because of hard work and dedication, because their body was made for that, something you can't alter.

For example me, im lucky im born with big bones and I consider my self a fast healer, that's a big role in my size today. And you know asians aren't really that big. I have lots of friends that are on steroids that don't even come close to me being natural

Your body type and a fitting style is what works. Im a hard hitter, wide, heavy and not that tall, would it be wise for me to choose wushu, shaolin kung fu or capoeira?

You mentioning about parents being fighters, what does that have to do with anything? Do you not understand what I mean by genetics? the amount of tendons, fast twitching, slow twitching muscle fibers, reaction speed, focus, flexibility, eye hand coordination, peripheral vision, bone frame and build, arm leg lengths, fist size. That has nothing with your parents being fighters or not.

You bring up Michael Jordan saying that he sucked at basketball as a child and with hard work and dedication he became one of the best players ever. Yes thats true but how can you compare basketball to martial arts? Basketball all and all is repetition and not nearly as demanding as martial arts, your comparing oranges to apples.

Yes hard work and dedication play a role but genes are 40% of it. Believing strictly only in hard work and dedication is a fantasy. Thats living in a videogame/movie/anime world.
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grip200kg wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


grip200kg wrote:

There is never going to be a right answer to this question.

Every style is like a religion, its taking you to the same point at the end.

Find a style your body works well with and make it your own.

Genetics play a big role if youll ever be good at it. Don't tell me "if you work hard blah blah blah anyone can be a great fighter." Cut the crap.


really? r you talking about being good at martial arts or being a great fighter? Ne human with arms and legs can be a great fighter with hard work and experience.I dont hear the military of any country saying people cant join the military because they cant fight.Maybe it was done in the past, but i think it was proven that with proper training,experience,ect. Any one can learn to fight.Genetics may play a role, but so does hard work and all that jazz.I have yet to meet a person who couldnt be a great fighter because his parents werent fighters.Same thing goes for sports as well. Look at Michael Jordan from basketball. He sucked at basketball, now he's a legend.
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Your not understanding what im saying, anyone can do anything but only a few can be on the top not just because of hard work and dedication, because their body was made for that, something you can't alter.

For example me, im lucky im born with big bones and I consider my self a fast healer, that's a big role in my size today. And you know asians aren't really that big. I have lots of friends that are on steroids that don't even come close to me being natural

Your body type and a fitting style is what works. Im a hard hitter, wide, heavy and not that tall, would it be wise for me to choose wushu, shaolin kung fu or capoeira?

You mentioning about parents being fighters, what does that have to do with anything? Do you not understand what I mean by genetics? the amount of tendons, fast twitching, slow twitching muscle fibers, reaction speed, focus, flexibility, eye hand coordination, peripheral vision, bone frame and build, arm leg lengths, fist size. That has nothing with your parents being fighters or not.

You bring up Michael Jordan saying that he sucked at basketball as a child and with hard work and dedication he became one of the best players ever. Yes thats true but how can you compare basketball to martial arts? Basketball all and all is repetition and not nearly as demanding as martial arts, your comparing oranges to apples.

Yes hard work and dedication play a role but genes are 40% of it. Believing strictly only in hard work and dedication is a fantasy. Thats living in a videogame/movie/anime world.


sure, body type and wieght can influence a fight heavily.but fights r based on individuals, not stlyes, wut may work for u may not work for other people.i dont see how genes can automaticly make someone a superb fighter.It gives them that potiential, but what i learned in my science class is that without the hardwork and dedication, those genes wont show up.In terms of fighting, hark work and dedication is all the rest of us have to work with.Im not going to give something up simply because i dont have the genes for it.btw, there isnt much difference in the practice of martial arts and sports...some martial arts are used as sports.

"A great fighter knows thier limitations, but an even better fighter finds ways around them"-Majin buu

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