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Muay Thai is amazing! but boxing isn't..

their legs is Boxing's weakness..

i still prefer Tachi!! use other power to overcome hits


how can muy thai be amazing, and boxing suck when muy thai has boxing in it?
do either styles work on grappling? can that not count as a weakness of all 3? peace over war
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Why is that?


why? just read my other comments. Why not? Does it not make the most sense?
there is no such thing as a ultra super duper style or technique that auto maticly gives you to have the ability to win every fight you get into.
Styles are all the same.What happens when two muay thai fighters fight? are u really going to decide the winner of a match just because one knows muy thai?but that wont work, cause the other guy also knows muy thai.wouldnt the logical thing be to rate the individuals in this?

its not karate vs muy thai, or judo vs this and that.Its individual vs individual.If u get punched in the face, whether or not it hurts you does not depend on what style it came from.Dont all human beings punch with a balled fists?

Bruce Lee puts it this way.

"Before i studied the art, a punch to me was just a punch, a kick was just a kick.After I'd studied the art, a punch was no longer a punch, a kick was no longer a kick. Now that i understand the art, a punch is just a punch, a kick is just a kick."

Techniques,power,speed,ect. Are all based on the individual.There is no easy way to becoming a great fighter. It takes experience,skills,training, ect. Any style can teach you that, or you can turn away from styles and seek wisdom from yourself.Either way, it still falls on the individual's shoulder.peace over war

well put and going from what I was saying. I was friends(still today) with this guy in high school that was like a 2nd or 3rd degree black belt TKD. he was talking about his skill in class and I asked him is that even functional in the streets he said yes I said show me( we had a sub that day) so he stood up he started showing his the defenses and stuff.
Then i stood up and I said throw a kick he throw a faint then a kick i saw through the faint I took the hit in the side grabbed his leg he knew I was going in to trip him so he was going to punch but I knew that to so i pulled his leg back and took him off guard and I stop cuz the teacher thought we were serious but he and I knew I was going to swing his leg around and grab him from the back and choke him out. yes, technique and training is good cuz that kick hurt but fighting with set moves like being on rails it's too easy to see what ur going to do if that person has seen it some many times.


"technique and training is good cuz that kick hurt but fighting with set moves like being on rails it's too easy to see what ur going to do if that person has seen it some many times."

im not sure what you mean by fighting with set moves, as far as i know, all fighters have a set of techniques to used to fight. theres punching, kicking, grappling, ect.

as for moves being 'telegraphic" (easy to see), that depends on the individual as well, some people can see a move, but cant defend against. Others can defend against moves that cannot be seen and not all techiniques r telegraphic. In Jeet kune do, Bruce Lee focused on attacking like a cobra- saying that attacks should be felt but not seen. peace over war



lol by rails and set moves each style like the grapple types and tkd etc(muy thai is too much like boxing but kinda apples) my friends showed me at their places all same to have a base set of kicks and punches that can be seen it u look at there stance. like if the guys moves this way I move that way is what i mean by rails so I could bait u into throwing a punch or kick by doing something and hitting u knowing u are going to do it out of reaction.



r you talking about one step sparring? or maybe traditional stances or drills? like sliding up in the front stance and doing a punch while sliding up and down the floor like your on rail road tracks?

all that tradition stuff is purly for training. No real taekwondo/karate/ any tradition asian martial art user will actualy fight like that in a real street fight.Most stances r used for training purposes only. The few that r used in a fight r transitional and r only used when the oppertnity presents its self. Ever seen these guys spar? Have you noticed not even one traditional stance is used? or even a traditional punch? There punches in sparring are the same ones boxers use from thier "sparring stance".Which is a stance they make up that they move most confortable in.And they tend to be short and flexible-similar to a boxers stance.There hands when sparring is usually held up to their face- once again imitating a boxers style.
Martial arts can be used for many purposes. A few of those purposes tend to be health, combative,sport, tradition,ect.
Not all martial arts are trained to be used for combative purposes.Tai chi is usually used as a health improver.That doesnt mean people dont train to fight with it, but most of the time its elderly guys doing it for easy excersize.Same thing with traditional martial arts.Bruce Lee got on all Americans about the way they were doing traditional martial arts in the 70s.Next thing you know MMA comes along 20 years later-obviously created by using some if not all of Bruce Lee's philosophys on martial arts.There r very few martial artist today that are not influenced one way or another by Bruce Lee's philosophys.
ok, srry i got wayyyyy off topic....but i hope you got what i was trying to say.... peace over war

I'm having 2 convo on the same forum so it's kinda getting confusing I think i said this to another guy. the only ppl I fought that was trained were in TKD, BJJ, and kickboxing. TKD have like this bounce step on there front of there feet. so if u watch there hips and torso u kinda tell which side the kick or strike is coming from BJJ(brazilian jujitsu)is just wrestling so no real ability to see through it u just have stay up and keep ur distance cuz if their good they can have anyone tapping in seconds. I know, I have a in TKD he's like 2nd or 3rd degree black belt he said the beginners keep form or stances but once u get better and more comfortable u can relax more and react better without it. I watched some of his matches and i have never really been trained in martial arts but I can box, throw kicks, and grapple. It comes from just fighting and it feels natural and some of my martial arts friends gave me a few pointers. so i guess at heart I'm a brawler and i always thought that MMA was just gloried street fighting but I may be wrong. And yea I feel what ur saying most martial arts were created for protection not just fighting.... peace over war
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Why is that?


why? just read my other comments. Why not? Does it not make the most sense?
there is no such thing as a ultra super duper style or technique that auto maticly gives you to have the ability to win every fight you get into.
Styles are all the same.What happens when two muay thai fighters fight? are u really going to decide the winner of a match just because one knows muy thai?but that wont work, cause the other guy also knows muy thai.wouldnt the logical thing be to rate the individuals in this?

its not karate vs muy thai, or judo vs this and that.Its individual vs individual.If u get punched in the face, whether or not it hurts you does not depend on what style it came from.Dont all human beings punch with a balled fists?

Bruce Lee puts it this way.

"Before i studied the art, a punch to me was just a punch, a kick was just a kick.After I'd studied the art, a punch was no longer a punch, a kick was no longer a kick. Now that i understand the art, a punch is just a punch, a kick is just a kick."

Techniques,power,speed,ect. Are all based on the individual.There is no easy way to becoming a great fighter. It takes experience,skills,training, ect. Any style can teach you that, or you can turn away from styles and seek wisdom from yourself.Either way, it still falls on the individual's shoulder.peace over war

well put and going from what I was saying. I was friends(still today) with this guy in high school that was like a 2nd or 3rd degree black belt TKD. he was talking about his skill in class and I asked him is that even functional in the streets he said yes I said show me( we had a sub that day) so he stood up he started showing his the defenses and stuff.
Then i stood up and I said throw a kick he throw a faint then a kick i saw through the faint I took the hit in the side grabbed his leg he knew I was going in to trip him so he was going to punch but I knew that to so i pulled his leg back and took him off guard and I stop cuz the teacher thought we were serious but he and I knew I was going to swing his leg around and grab him from the back and choke him out. yes, technique and training is good cuz that kick hurt but fighting with set moves like being on rails it's too easy to see what ur going to do if that person has seen it some many times.


"technique and training is good cuz that kick hurt but fighting with set moves like being on rails it's too easy to see what ur going to do if that person has seen it some many times."

im not sure what you mean by fighting with set moves, as far as i know, all fighters have a set of techniques to used to fight. theres punching, kicking, grappling, ect.

as for moves being 'telegraphic" (easy to see), that depends on the individual as well, some people can see a move, but cant defend against. Others can defend against moves that cannot be seen and not all techiniques r telegraphic. In Jeet kune do, Bruce Lee focused on attacking like a cobra- saying that attacks should be felt but not seen. peace over war



lol by rails and set moves each style like the grapple types and tkd etc(muy thai is too much like boxing but kinda apples) my friends showed me at their places all same to have a base set of kicks and punches that can be seen it u look at there stance. like if the guys moves this way I move that way is what i mean by rails so I could bait u into throwing a punch or kick by doing something and hitting u knowing u are going to do it out of reaction.



r you talking about one step sparring? or maybe traditional stances or drills? like sliding up in the front stance and doing a punch while sliding up and down the floor like your on rail road tracks?

all that tradition stuff is purly for training. No real taekwondo/karate/ any tradition asian martial art user will actualy fight like that in a real street fight.Most stances r used for training purposes only. The few that r used in a fight r transitional and r only used when the oppertnity presents its self. Ever seen these guys spar? Have you noticed not even one traditional stance is used? or even a traditional punch? There punches in sparring are the same ones boxers use from thier "sparring stance".Which is a stance they make up that they move most confortable in.And they tend to be short and flexible-similar to a boxers stance.There hands when sparring is usually held up to their face- once again imitating a boxers style.
Martial arts can be used for many purposes. A few of those purposes tend to be health, combative,sport, tradition,ect.
Not all martial arts are trained to be used for combative purposes.Tai chi is usually used as a health improver.That doesnt mean people dont train to fight with it, but most of the time its elderly guys doing it for easy excersize.Same thing with traditional martial arts.Bruce Lee got on all Americans about the way they were doing traditional martial arts in the 70s.Next thing you know MMA comes along 20 years later-obviously created by using some if not all of Bruce Lee's philosophys on martial arts.There r very few martial artist today that are not influenced one way or another by Bruce Lee's philosophys.
ok, srry i got wayyyyy off topic....but i hope you got what i was trying to say.... peace over war

I'm having 2 convo on the same forum so it's kinda getting confusing I think i said this to another guy. the only ppl I fought that was trained were in TKD, BJJ, and kickboxing. TKD have like this bounce step on there front of there feet. so if u watch there hips and torso u kinda tell which side the kick or strike is coming from BJJ(brazilian jujitsu)is just wrestling so no real ability to see through it u just have stay up and keep ur distance cuz if their good they can have anyone tapping in seconds. I know, I have a in TKD he's like 2nd or 3rd degree black belt he said the beginners keep form or stances but once u get better and more comfortable u can relax more and react better without it. I watched some of his matches and i have never really been trained in martial arts but I can box, throw kicks, and grapple. It comes from just fighting and it feels natural and some of my martial arts friends gave me a few pointers. so i guess at heart I'm a brawler and i always thought that MMA was just gloried street fighting but I may be wrong. And yea I feel what ur saying most martial arts were created for protection not just fighting.... peace over war


MMA is actually just a mixture of martial arts.There is no real difference between martial arts and street fighting in an actual fight. In a real fight, it doesnt even matter.fighting is based on the individual.
"Before i studied the art, a punch to me was just a punch, a kick was just a kick.After I'd studied the art, a punch was no longer a punch, a kick was no longer a kick. Now that i understand the art, a punch is just a punch, a kick is just a kick."-Bruce Lee

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Fighting instinct . especially for street fight , when they in dead end they do anything in order to win .
Someone tighten my neck once (to the point I can't breath) at that time I still don't know any martial art so .... (I won't tell you what happened , but I managed to escape )


not everyone has fighting instinct.I didnt have it growing up. i had to be taught.fights r based on the individual- peace over war
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mixed martial arts...
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mixed martial arts...


fighting is actually based on the individual, not some fighting style.Especially since MMA was built on that value. peace over war
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mixed martial arts...


fighting is actually based on the individual, not some fighting style.Especially since MMA was built on that value. peace over war



--------> oh well, u have a point.. ^_^

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I Really Think The Answer Would Be Muay Thai Or Boxing Without The Gloves But Enlighten Me.


no such thing...fights are based on individuals, not styles.All martial arts are the same, whats the real difference between them?when it all comes down to it, its about the individuals. If u think some black belt will immediatly endow you with the fighting abilities of Bruce Lee, then u know nothing of martial arts or of Bruce Lee.

And if your talking about strongest techniques, even more so.
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yes it depends on the individual but not all martial arts are the same. you see for example, muay thai are deadly cuz they use thier elbows and they have lethal techniques. if you match someone from a muay thai competetion from someone from a wrestling ones, who do you think will win? go watch some ufc to see my point. and if you think bruce lee is the strongest, you must be out of your mind. a boxer without gloves can 1 hit ko him or can even kill him. martial arts are made to defend yourself and evolve to be more deadly. a 16 year old kid who studies martial arts can own a 24 year old without fighting experience but with buffs.

p.s. martial arts is an art not a tool for war and it is intended to be used as an art.
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1201987 wrote:

Fighting instinct . especially for street fight , when they in dead end they do anything in order to win .
Someone tighten my neck once (to the point I can't breath) at that time I still don't know any martial art so .... (I won't tell you what happened , but I managed to escape )


not everyone has fighting instinct.I didnt have it growing up. i had to be taught.fights r based on the individual- peace over war


Really ?? if they don't have any fighting instinct then why the heck do they need to learn martial art .
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MDOTA19922 wrote:

Muay Thai is amazing! but boxing isn't..

their legs is Boxing's weakness..

i still prefer Tachi!! use other power to overcome hits


how can muy thai be amazing, and boxing suck when muy thai has boxing in it?
do either styles work on grappling? can that not count as a weakness of all 3? peace over war


have you really seen the real Muay Thai?

boxing mostly using combo from fist while Muay Thai using everypart of their body like Kao Loi(i forgotspell)

btw, i didnt say "Boxing suck"
i just say boxing isn't amazing!
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Ancient Muay Thai is strong cause is was create to kill enemy in war... Not like Muay Thai use in sports cause they change it a bit for sports.. but i still vote for Pencak Silat... If some of you watch Ong Bak or TomyamGong The actor name Tony jar use the old Muay thai that why u see the move is really dangerous..!
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I Really Think The Answer Would Be Muay Thai Or Boxing Without The Gloves But Enlighten Me.


no such thing...fights are based on individuals, not styles.All martial arts are the same, whats the real difference between them?when it all comes down to it, its about the individuals. If u think some black belt will immediatly endow you with the fighting abilities of Bruce Lee, then u know nothing of martial arts or of Bruce Lee.

And if your talking about strongest techniques, even more so.
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yes it depends on the individual but not all martial arts are the same. you see for example, muay thai are deadly cuz they use thier elbows and they have lethal techniques. if you match someone from a muay thai competetion from someone from a wrestling ones, who do you think will win? go watch some ufc to see my point. and if you think bruce lee is the strongest, you must be out of your mind. a boxer without gloves can 1 hit ko him or can even kill him. martial arts are made to defend yourself and evolve to be more deadly. a 16 year old kid who studies martial arts can own a 24 year old without fighting experience but with buffs.

p.s. martial arts is an art not a tool for war and it is intended to be used as an art.


muay thai this and muay thai that.Have u even heard of other martial arts? let alone study them?do u ignorantly believe muay thai is the only martial art that is deadly?do u think it is the only one to use elbows and knees?There r moves in judo that r so deadly, they r not allowed in judo competetions.Ever stop to think why the UFC doesnt allow eye gouges, throat strikes, or groin strikes?

muay thai guy vs wrestling guy? i dont know who would win. certainly u cant tell by the styles, even though muay thai is useless in grappling. Now u bring the UFC in this? do you even know whos thoeries and philosophies MMA is based off of?Why they practice several martial arts rather then just one?Do u think they believe muay thai garentees certain victory?If so why do they know multiple martial arts then?i have watched more then enough UFC matches to see that u know nothing of martial arts nor of the UFC.I have seen brazilian Jujitsu masters knock out people with punches in the UFC.If u dont see the significence in that,you will further prove my point.

Who said ne thing about Bruce Lee being the strongest? isnt he dead?if he was still alive wouldnt he be about 60 or 70?Either way i surpass Bruce Lee's str at this point,and so do u.I like to apply his philosophys and thoeries in fighting because i find them the most relavent.And so do all other MMA people.Who do u think the president of UFC called the father of MMA?Whose philosophis on martial arts r the MMA based off of?look it up and find out.

as for your 16yr vs 24yr old thoery- there is so much wrong with that statement that i dont have the time to fix it.Let me start off by saying does the martial artist kid have ne fighting experience? or do u believe martial arts and fighting experience r the same thing?think about these quesions and answer them.Prove to yourself that muay thai is so serperior, it can stop bullets with its elbows and knees.

while your at it- my thoughts on which martial arts is the best?

"That 'simple' question is BS because it assumes there's some kind of Wal-mart Supercenter of martial arts. A magical training system/martial art that addresses all of those elements of self-defense. One that not only will allow you to defeat slavering hordes of Uzi carrying ninjas but automatically downloads critical thinking, threat assessment, a perfect understanding of use of force laws, human behavior and the nature of violence directly into your brain...

And all of this by studying one system." -http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/bestMA.htm

Now if muay thai could do all this, i must have learned it wrong, cause i still get defeated in fights.-peace over war

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rhyme_playah wrote:


JJT2 wrote:


rhyme_playah wrote:

I Really Think The Answer Would Be Muay Thai Or Boxing Without The Gloves But Enlighten Me.


no such thing...fights are based on individuals, not styles.All martial arts are the same, whats the real difference between them?when it all comes down to it, its about the individuals. If u think some black belt will immediatly endow you with the fighting abilities of Bruce Lee, then u know nothing of martial arts or of Bruce Lee.

And if your talking about strongest techniques, even more so.
peace over war


yes it depends on the individual but not all martial arts are the same. you see for example, muay thai are deadly cuz they use thier elbows and they have lethal techniques. if you match someone from a muay thai competetion from someone from a wrestling ones, who do you think will win? go watch some ufc to see my point. and if you think bruce lee is the strongest, you must be out of your mind. a boxer without gloves can 1 hit ko him or can even kill him. martial arts are made to defend yourself and evolve to be more deadly. a 16 year old kid who studies martial arts can own a 24 year old without fighting experience but with buffs.

p.s. martial arts is an art not a tool for war and it is intended to be used as an art.


muay thai this and muay thai that.Have u even heard of other martial arts? let alone study them?do u ignorantly believe muay thai is the only martial art that is deadly?do u think it is the only one to use elbows and knees?There r moves in judo that r so deadly, they r not allowed in judo competetions.Ever stop to think why the UFC doesnt allow eye gouges, throat strikes, or groin strikes?

muay thai guy vs wrestling guy? i dont know who would win. certainly u cant tell by the styles, even though muay thai is useless in grappling. Now u bring the UFC in this? do you even know whos thoeries and philosophies MMA is based off of?Why they practice several martial arts rather then just one?Do u think they believe muay thai garentees certain victory?If so why do they know multiple martial arts then?i have watched more then enough UFC matches to see that u know nothing of martial arts nor of the UFC.I have seen brazilian Jujitsu masters knock out people with punches in the UFC.If u dont see the significence in that,you will further prove my point.

Who said ne thing about Bruce Lee being the strongest? isnt he dead?if he was still alive wouldnt he be about 60 or 70?Either way i surpass Bruce Lee's str at this point,and so do u.I like to apply his philosophys and thoeries in fighting because i find them the most relavent.And so do all other MMA people.Who do u think the president of UFC called the father of MMA?Whose philosophis on martial arts r the MMA based off of?look it up and find out.

as for your 16yr vs 24yr old thoery- there is so much wrong with that statement that i dont have the time to fix it.Let me start off by saying does the martial artist kid have ne fighting experience? or do u believe martial arts and fighting experience r the same thing?think about these quesions and answer them.Prove to yourself that muay thai is so serperior, it can stop bullets with its elbows and knees.

while your at it- my thoughts on which martial arts is the best?

"That 'simple' question is BS because it assumes there's some kind of Wal-mart Supercenter of martial arts. A magical training system/martial art that addresses all of those elements of self-defense. One that not only will allow you to defeat slavering hordes of Uzi carrying ninjas but automatically downloads critical thinking, threat assessment, a perfect understanding of use of force laws, human behavior and the nature of violence directly into your brain...

And all of this by studying one system." -http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/bestMA.htm

Now if muay thai could do all this, i must have learned it wrong, cause i still get defeated in fights.-peace over war



thats a long ass msg that i didnt even bother to finish it. u got ur own opinions and i got mine. well never know which one is the fact. lets face it, nobody will know for sure cuz ive learned muay thai, tae kwon do and boxing for quite some time and ive never have the chance to use it cuz everytime i fight i just use my reflections and use my fist without the techniques.
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an ancient technique handed down through many generations indeed.
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Fighting instinct . especially for street fight , when they in dead end they do anything in order to win .
Someone tighten my neck once (to the point I can't breath) at that time I still don't know any martial art so .... (I won't tell you what happened , but I managed to escape )


not everyone has fighting instinct.I didnt have it growing up. i had to be taught.fights r based on the individual- peace over war


Really ?? if they don't have any fighting instinct then why the heck do they need to learn martial art .


they learn martial arts for many reasons.I learned it because i had no fighting instinct and i was being bullied a lot. So i had to find a way to defend myself.No one was there to help me out, so i had to rely on mself.peace over war
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