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Should Catholic priests be allowed to married?
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starcrossed23 wrote:

actually catholic priests were allowed to marry once upon a time. Holy mother church took away that right because when a man became a priest the church was obligated to give him a parcel of land. However, when the priest died...the land would be passed onto his children....the church felt that this was far too costly so, the came up with this new bylaw that stated that men of the cloth should remain chaste in order to demonstrate their commitment to the lord. Wow, makes you proud to be catholic, huh?

Sereph, I don't consider myself an expert on catholism or anything... but in the course of my studies and thanks to the fact that I was raised in a Catholic household and went to Catholic school during my formative years I have a little insight. Honestly, you're right...they do run the church by human standards of morality which more often than not are motivated by finances rather than "the Word."
Here's a fun fact...the church now says that it's okay for a woman to obtain a divorce and remarry and not be considered an adulteress...as long as she never consummates the relationship. The minute they have sex...she's condemned to the fires of hell. Also, can somebody explain to me that if God is infallible...and God created all of us in his image...why does the church comndemn homosexuality. Since it's been medically proven that homosexuality can be explained physiologically, doesn't that mean that God's divine plan is flawed? So many lovely contradictions.


Don’t know about the Catholics, but in my nondenominational church (no specific sect, we just take Gods word for his word and other than that it’s just what we feel he tells us personally) we believe that homosexuality is wrong but it’s not right to condemn homosexuals. The bible says that homosexuality is a curse God has left on men who had sexual relations with one another and their descendants. I believe, personally, that those guys were not born Gay. However, because of them, there are people born gay. Also, it’s not medically proven that people are born gay.


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Have you ever read the Catholic bible? If you haven't, you may see something different. There is more books. That happened when Martin Luther decided to seperate from the Catholic Church. (If you already knew that, then good for you! ^-^) When Martin Luther left the Church, he took the books out of the bible that dealt with the eucharist, saints, etc. Then he formed the Lutherin Church. What kind of traditions do you mean? Do you mean like Lent, or what?

About "the Catholic church was teaching that people had to -pay- to get indulgences in order to be forgiven for their sin.", I never heard of that before, but I shall ask our Monsignor about it. And about the Pope. We do not praise him. Same with saints. We don't praise them either. I am a convert, and I myself don't really know why they hold the pope in such high power, but I do know, (of course) why he is important. I don't really know about the "feud" between the Catholics and Muslims. And in my town, Catholics are discriminated because we pray to Mary, and Saints and stuff. We have a hard time explaining that we do not worship them, we just ask them to pray for us, because they are close to God. Asking Mary, or St. Francis of Assissi, or Padre Pio, or St. Anthony of Padua, etc, is just like asking someone in your church to pray for your family or you or whatever. Just Mary and them are closer. If I didn't answer any of your other questions, is because I don't know the answer, so I shall ask our priests.


I see. I didn’t know they had more books. Actually I was taught that the Catholics actually tried to burn a lot of books from the bible. I read that indulgence thing in a text book, I don’t recall which. Honestly the book itself seemed to have something against Catholics.

You know, everyone is talking about how human these people are. A few weeks ago that wouldn’t have meant so much to me. But, this Sunday, I went to this little Baptist church on the request of my friend (I’m not Baptist but it’s the same God, and I have nothing but respect for people’s freedom of religion) and a guy I know preached. A human, who’s made mistakes that I know about. Who’s sinned. I’ve heard preachers talk about how they’ve sinned, but it never hit me until that day. I realized I had been thinking of my preachers and stuff is like… Somehow more than human. Lower than god, but more than human.



I am kind of surprised that you didn't know how the books were ommitted. But of course, a lot of people, especially cradle catholics, (people who were born catholic and baptised as a baby) don't even know that. I know it because my mother is on her way to become a Carmelite. (it is not a sister or a nun, but they do sisterly things. it is a thing for women who were married before and had children who want to be a part of the religious life. Unfortunatly, they can't be a sister or a nun, but that is almost as good). She is very wise in the Catholic church, so most of the things i know come from her. Anyway, yes, you're right. Some textbooks DO discriminate Catholics. Some more polite than others.

It is amazing of how holy some people can be. Take Mother Theresa for instance. She was a wonderful person who did wonderful things. (you should read some books on her. they can be quite interesting) (she is on her way to becoming a saint) and take any religious person. It doesn't matter if they are protestant, catholic, anybody. They have something about them that make them different from regular people. Like you said, they are less than God, but more than human.
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x0needlesandguns0x wrote:

The whole point of being a priest is to devote yourself entirely to the Church, and to become like Jesus as much as possible. This obviously rules out tempting yourself with anything that would make you sin, and Lust is one of the Seven Deadly Sins, and is to be avoided.



Point taken. But is getting married and having children a sin? I am definitely not an expert, but I thought that the primary reason Paul argued against marriage was so that the the priest could devote his entire life to the church (as you state), b/c having a family was too time consuming. This was certainly true for his time, but is it still true for ours? This is an option that the catholic church has been considering right?
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Priests should only be ordained for one reason. To serve the Lord our God with all our heart, all our mind, and all our soul. If a Catholic man is thinking about being a priest, but is like, "I don't know if I REALLY want to be a priest. Maybe a family would be better." then he should not be a priest. Take one of our priests from our parish for instance. At first, he dispised the thought of being a priest. He had a girl who he really wanted to marry. But then he decided to ask God if the priesthood would be the better thing for him. Guess what? In his mysterious ways, He said yes to that question. But, of course, Father ignored it, because he really wanted this girl. To make a long story short, God practically bugged him, and he finally decided to be a priest. And he is glad he became a priest. He found out that he knows the Lord better now, and loves Him better. And as for the girl? She is married and has a kid. And she is VERY happy for him. And how old is this priest? 28.

Posted 5/7/07
^^ Having children means getting pregnant. Getting pregnant means having sexual intercourse. Sexual intercourse usually involves at least some lust, or people wouldn't bother with having sex. Also, the Catholic Church likes tradition (maybe a bit too much sometimes).
Also, Catholics are supposed to love God above all else. That means your family, your life, the world, etc. This is especially important for priests, and having a family can compromise that. Anyway, if a priest is a pastor, their whole parish is supposed to be their family, without any favorites.
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why base it on documents and written scriptures?
one of the most constant things that happen in this life are surprises.

they may have vowed, but they dont hold the future. They won't see erotic love when it's coming. Besides, love knows no boundaries. (ehem. i dont know with monks though). All of us have the right to be loved by someone special. Love has conquered so many boundaries: between cousins, priests, rich and poor, at war. And if it comes to the boundary of serving God, HE would understand.

besides, it's not just the priest that's serving God. Maybe you guys mistake "serving God" and "serving the church".

All of us serve God. By living, loving, caring, nurturing. This is our purpose here.

BESIDES, above all... GOD will understand.
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Sure, why not? oO
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The law of clerical celibacy is considered to be not a doctrine, but a discipline. Exceptions are sometimes made, especially in the case of Christian clergymen who convert to the Catholic Church, and the discipline could in theory be changed for all ordinations to the priesthood. However, it is considered a valuable witness of Christian faith and as a way of following the example of Christ and His celibate way of life.


wikipedia is my friend.
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TrueKyoLover wrote:

Priests should only be ordained for one reason. To serve the Lord our God with all our heart, all our mind, and all our soul. If a Catholic man is thinking about being a priest, but is like, "I don't know if I REALLY want to be a priest. Maybe a family would be better." then he should not be a priest. Take one of our priests from our parish for instance. At first, he dispised the thought of being a priest. He had a girl who he really wanted to marry. But then he decided to ask God if the priesthood would be the better thing for him. Guess what? In his mysterious ways, He said yes to that question. But, of course, Father ignored it, because he really wanted this girl. To make a long story short, God practically bugged him, and he finally decided to be a priest. And he is glad he became a priest. He found out that he knows the Lord better now, and loves Him better. And as for the girl? She is married and has a kid. And she is VERY happy for him. And how old is this priest? 28.



Why cant priests get married? Just because Jesus never married doesn't mean that they shouldn't be. Every Denomination started with a person's idea that other people liked then eventually copied. Why cant a priest serve the Lord our God with all their heart, all their mind, and all their soul and still a have a loving family under God's grace?

Answer me this this question, "If a priest decides to get married will he go to hell?"


x0needlesandguns0x wrote:

^^ Having children means getting pregnant. Getting pregnant means having sexual intercourse. Sexual intercourse usually involves at least some lust, or people wouldn't bother with having sex. Also, the Catholic Church likes tradition (maybe a bit too much sometimes).
Also, Catholics are supposed to love God above all else. That means your family, your life, the world, etc. This is especially important for priests, and having a family can compromise that. Anyway, if a priest is a pastor, their whole parish is supposed to be their family, without any favorites.


Let me get this straight. To get married is have sex. To have sex is get pregnant, and to get pregant comes from lust?. If that was the case then they should be castrated, be cause of "the seven deadly sins". Lust with your wife isn't a bad thing. God sent that person to you for a reason. I don't see it anywhere in the bible that sex with your wife is a sin.
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I think priests aren't allowed to be married cuz they took a vow of abstinence. I think that is similar to nuns. So if priests can be allowed to marry..nuns should be able to as well.

But i guess in the end...it really depends what makes them happy. For some priests (the non perverted ones), god is enough to fulfill their lives. That's why they joined priesthood in the first place. They new what they were getting into and they made that decision. If they wanted to marry, they would've chosen a different path.
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x0needlesandguns0x wrote:

^^ Having children means getting pregnant. Getting pregnant means having sexual intercourse. Sexual intercourse usually involves at least some lust, or people wouldn't bother with having sex. Also, the Catholic Church likes tradition (maybe a bit too much sometimes).
Also, Catholics are supposed to love God above all else. That means your family, your life, the world, etc. This is especially important for priests, and having a family can compromise that. Anyway, if a priest is a pastor, their whole parish is supposed to be their family, without any favorites.


So if we follow that train of thought...well then you shouldn't eat anymore food....because to eat is to crave food...and to crave food is to be a glutton. Also, you should tell your parents to sell their house and you should definately give up your computer because to have worldly possessions is to be greedy. Oh and no sleeping for you because I'm sure you have (like all of us) the tendency to oversleep...and you know what that means...you guessed it sloth.

Look, I'm sure at some point you had a sex talk with your parents...butI would suggest that you consider eventually taking a biology class. People have sex because it is hard coded into our DNA to further the species. It is instinctual that people have sex. The reason that there seems to be such a high number of molestation cases in the Catholic faith as opposed to other sects of Christianity is because the Roman Catholic Church refuses to part with it's archaic ways. If priests had some sort of sexual release, since it is human nature to have sexual desires...then maybe they wouldn't act like inmates in the penn.

And for all of you who like to quote the seven deadlies...the main point to them is that they are manifestations of the most excessive behaviors. Having sex is not a one way ticket to hell.
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my uncle's a catholic priest. http://tinyurl.com/292uyg for proof!

anyways, he takes the practice of celibacy really seriously. i think he's in his fifties now.

abolishing or changing it now kind of diminishes the point of practicing it for hundreds upon hundreds of years. i also imagine it would be rather difficult to incorporate now... what's the Pope going to do, just announce one day: "Aight my peeps, you can get hitched now. GOGO" ? lol.
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Yes, i think so. it's just fair i guess. and it prevents them from sinning even more. lol, but yeah, it would be hard to incorporate this late.
Posted 5/8/07
In response to the question and TrueKyoLover's responses on the subject:

I think Catholic priests should be allowed to get married. I don't believe having a family makes you any less devout towards god. If all it takes is to have a family to plunge one into doubt than the priesthood is not worth very much in the first place and should be abolished.

Secondly, lust is a sin in the bible however, this sin refers to an illicit sort of relationship. Marriage is not an illicit relationship. Further interpretations of this in newer compilations of the bible completely miss this point. It is well known that the Catholic bible is only a interpretation and not an original text.

Thirdly, there is no proof in the bible or elsewhere that states that Jesus Christ was not married. They simply do not mention that fact therefore to claim in any way that celibacy and Christ are related is a very large fallacy on the part of the Catholics.

Fourthly, do not forget that Christ was a Jew. In the Talmud, it clearly states that marriage is vitally important to Judaism. Refraining from marriage is not considered holy, as it is in some other religions. On the contrary, it is considered unnatural. (http://www.jewfaq.org/index.htm). Christ began teaching theology in his 30's. I highly doubt he was unmarried as being a devout man he would have kept and followed ALL his father's commandments.

Fifthly, the abolishment of marriage for Catholic priests was linked to the preservation of Church land not the preservation of faith or devotion toward God and definitely in no way related to Christ.

As for indulgences, they were a fact. Indulgences were one of the main reasons Martin Luther broke away from the Catholic church. For Luther, it was a person's faith which led one to God, not the amount of money given to the Church. Back then, the Catholic Church forgave any man for any sins committed, even murder, if they "donated" large sums of money to the Catholic church.

As for the Pope, yes, he is worshipped. No Catholic can claim that he is not worshipped when he clearly is. Have you not seen the millions who gather to hear the pope speak? If that is not worship, I don't know what is.
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"As for indulgences, they were a fact. Indulgences were one of the main reasons Martin Luther broke away from the Catholic church. For Luther, it was a person's faith which led one to God, not the amount of money given to the Church. Back then, the Catholic Church forgave any man for any sins committed, even murder, if they "donated" large sums of money to the Catholic church."
Yeah that was kinda a bullshit practice...

Technically though Martin Luther originally had no intention of breaking away from the church. He wanted the church reformed, not split. It was the peasant populace his took his words the most seriously and used it as an excuse to rise up against the oppression of the church and nobility. Martin didn't want them to succeed originally because he was a part of that well off and educated class (I think his father was a successful merchant)

He only grew into the role later, but originally was very against the movement.
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honestly... i am a catholic but i am not even an expert about this... it's just because of tradition but people say it's because they can focus more on serving God but honestly, it doesn't work...
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