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Who will win Nanaya Shiki or Ryougi Shiki
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Posted 1/24/09 , edited 1/24/09
This is what I don`t know. They said Ryougi has advanced mystic eyes.... what did they mean??? Oh yeah if it is a dup u can delete it mods

Nanaya Shiki

Ryougi Shiki
If u can put the reason
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Actually I have a questions, from what anime are they from?
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who?
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Posted 1/24/09

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Actually I have a questions, from what anime are they from?


Shingetsutan Tsukihime (Nanaya) and Kara no kyoukai (Ryougi)
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^ I see. Thank you for informing me. I'm not familiar with them though, sorry.
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Nanaya Shiki would win, but only barely.
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Ryougi Shiki has more advanced eyes because even though they're always "on", she doesn't gain headaches or anything, while Nanaya/Tohno Shiki does. No normal human was never supposed to have the power to see death, so that's why it gives them headaches, but Ryougi is able to overcome that, while someday, Nanaya Shiki will die from his own eyes. (Even with the glasses, someday his eyes will become too powerful for the glasses to even work)

Nanaya Shiki is stronger though because he's the Shiki that will kill anything that gets in his way. Ryougi's own personality brings her power down while Nanaya doesn't really care what happens. Though, Tohno Shiki is the weakest because he values lives and all that.




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http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-406090/anime-character-eye-power-connection.html?src=topbar&pg=6
Read Skeithcruor's article about the nasuverse's Mystic Eyes powers.

Nanaya clan is one of best (if not, the best) demon hunter clan in Nasuverse and they are known for their refined assassination skills and athletic ability while the Ryougi clan are known to produce assassins by developing multiple personality to gain multiple skills.

If I weigh their skill alone, Ryougi Shiki is the winner. However, Tohno Shiki relies too much on his eyes to fight but once his Nanaya blood awakens, even someone as powerful as a True Ancestor like Arcueid runs for her life.

I'll vote for Nanaya Shiki for his skill and physical prowess.

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http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-406090/anime-character-eye-power-connection.html?src=topbar&pg=6
Read Skeithcruor's article about the nasuverse's Mystic Eyes powers.

Nanaya clan is one of best (if not, the best) demon hunter clan in Nasuverse and they are known for their refined assassination skills and athletic ability while the Ryougi clan are known to produce assassins by developing multiple personality to gain multiple skills.

If I weigh their skill alone, Ryougi Shiki is the winner. However, Tohno Shiki relies too much on his eyes to fight but once his Nanaya blood awakens, even someone as powerful as a True Ancestor like Arcueid runs for her life.

I'll vote for Nanaya Shiki for his skill and physical prowess.



But actually Nanaya is Tohno Shiki and Tohno can use it eventhough he didn`t fight a non human, cause like Nanaya said in Kagetsu Tohya that it is riddiculous to make him kill himself . Isn`t the reason why he can`t use Nanaya`s power cause Tohno Shiki deny it. Just wanted an opinion from u not arguing and thanks for the info, I`m don`t know too detail about Ryougi`s eyes in the forum it says that Ryougi is nearer to origin but isn`t Shiki`s eyes can see the death of even non living thing and in the anime (don`t know in the novel) Ryougi can only kill anything that lives. So isn`t Nanaya`s eye is not the true death eyes but instead eye that see destruction cause a stone don`t have life, it is the same with chair, he can even see the death of dead.
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Posted 1/25/09 , edited 1/25/09

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Maou068 wrote:

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-406090/anime-character-eye-power-connection.html?src=topbar&pg=6
Read Skeithcruor's article about the nasuverse's Mystic Eyes powers.

Nanaya clan is one of best (if not, the best) demon hunter clan in Nasuverse and they are known for their refined assassination skills and athletic ability while the Ryougi clan are known to produce assassins by developing multiple personality to gain multiple skills.

If I weigh their skill alone, Ryougi Shiki is the winner. However, Tohno Shiki relies too much on his eyes to fight but once his Nanaya blood awakens, even someone as powerful as a True Ancestor like Arcueid runs for her life.

I'll vote for Nanaya Shiki for his skill and physical prowess.



But actually Nanaya is Tohno Shiki and Tohno can use it eventhough he didn`t fight a non human, cause like Nanaya said in Kagetsu Tohya that it is riddiculous to make him kill himself . Isn`t the reason why he can`t use Nanaya`s power cause Tohno Shiki deny it. Just wanted an opinion from u not arguing and thanks for the info, I`m don`t know too detail about Ryougi`s eyes in the forum it says that Ryougi is nearer to origin but isn`t Shiki`s eyes can see the death of even non living thing and in the anime (don`t know in the novel) Ryougi can only kill anything that lives. So isn`t Nanaya`s eye is not the true death eyes but instead eye that see destruction cause a stone don`t have life, it is the same with chair, he can even see the death of dead.


As I said before a few months back, I didn't play Kagetsu Tohya yet, though im still dling it right now since I just recently renew my interest on that VN.

I already know that Nanaya Shiki is Tohno Shiki, it's just that Nanaya Shiki is Tohno Shiki's inner demon that yearns for senseless killing. And yes, Tohno Shiki can use his Nanaya blood for killing humans, though it's not that extensive as his alter ego.

And now for the Mystic Eyes, I'm not good at explaining things like Skeithcuor. So here's an article from Type-Moon wikia that might answer some of your questions.



Here's for extensive reading
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Mystic_Eyes_of_Death_Perception
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666monster wrote:


Maou068 wrote:

http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-406090/anime-character-eye-power-connection.html?src=topbar&pg=6
Read Skeithcruor's article about the nasuverse's Mystic Eyes powers.

Nanaya clan is one of best (if not, the best) demon hunter clan in Nasuverse and they are known for their refined assassination skills and athletic ability while the Ryougi clan are known to produce assassins by developing multiple personality to gain multiple skills.

If I weigh their skill alone, Ryougi Shiki is the winner. However, Tohno Shiki relies too much on his eyes to fight but once his Nanaya blood awakens, even someone as powerful as a True Ancestor like Arcueid runs for her life.

I'll vote for Nanaya Shiki for his skill and physical prowess.



But actually Nanaya is Tohno Shiki and Tohno can use it eventhough he didn`t fight a non human, cause like Nanaya said in Kagetsu Tohya that it is riddiculous to make him kill himself . Isn`t the reason why he can`t use Nanaya`s power cause Tohno Shiki deny it. Just wanted an opinion from u not arguing and thanks for the info, I`m don`t know too detail about Ryougi`s eyes in the forum it says that Ryougi is nearer to origin but isn`t Shiki`s eyes can see the death of even non living thing and in the anime (don`t know in the novel) Ryougi can only kill anything that lives. So isn`t Nanaya`s eye is not the true death eyes but instead eye that see destruction cause a stone don`t have life, it is the same with chair, he can even see the death of dead.


As I said before a few months back, I didn't play Kagetsu Tohya yet, though im still dling it right now since I just recently renew my interest on that VN.

I already know that Nanaya Shiki is Tohno Shiki, it's just that Nanaya Shiki is Tohno Shiki's inner demon that yearns for senseless killing. And yes, Tohno Shiki can use his Nanaya blood for killing humans, though it's not that extensive as his alter ego.

And now for the Mystic Eyes, I'm not good at explaining things like Skeithcuor. So here's an article from Type-Moon wikia that might answer some of your questions.



Here's for extensive reading
http://typemoon.wikia.com/wiki/Mystic_Eyes_of_Death_Perception


So in other words the reason why Shiki feels restrain and Ryougi don`t is that he what he sees is existence itself and Ryougi more like the life and death. In a simpler way Nanaya can see and make something that can make a contradiction of the world itself where existence is in a way more important than death itself. So if Ryougi kills the soul will still able to reborn through the concept of rebirth but Nanaya`s eyes can erase the existence which in others word the meaning itself so no soul should exist if it is true but why
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So in other words the reason why Shiki feels restrain and Ryougi don`t is that he what he sees is existence itself and Ryougi more like the life and death. In a simpler way Nanaya can see and make something that can make a contradiction of the world itself where existence is in a way more important than death itself. So if Ryougi kills the soul will still able to reborn through the concept of rebirth but Nanaya`s eyes can erase the existence which in others word the meaning itself so no soul should exist if it is true but why
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So in other words the reason why Shiki feels restrain and Ryougi don`t is that he what he sees is existence itself and Ryougi more like the life and death.

Your question may be answered from the quote below.

Ryougi did not get a headache because she was born with the ability as in Kara no Kyoukai in tells us that the Ryougi's gave Shiki the best body possible as the third personality was purposely created by the Ryougi family as the perfect 'Alternate personality' so from the very beginging Ryougi was destined to see death while Nanaya was not he 'accidentally' seen death when he wasn't supposed too while Ryougi was supposed too due to the bodies original personality coming to surface.


The only difference between of their mystic eyes is their closeness to Akasha, where their perspective of death changes as they draw closer to Akasha. Tohno Shiki's Mystic Eyes see the death of "existence" whereas Ryougi Shiki see the death of "origin".
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666monster wrote:
So in other words the reason why Shiki feels restrain and Ryougi don`t is that he what he sees is existence itself and Ryougi more like the life and death. In a simpler way Nanaya can see and make something that can make a contradiction of the world itself where existence is in a way more important than death itself. So if Ryougi kills the soul will still able to reborn through the concept of rebirth but Nanaya`s eyes can erase the existence which in others word the meaning itself so no soul should exist if it is true but why
.



So in other words the reason why Shiki feels restrain and Ryougi don`t is that he what he sees is existence itself and Ryougi more like the life and death.

Your question may be answered from the quote below.

Ryougi did not get a headache because she was born with the ability as in Kara no Kyoukai in tells us that the Ryougi's gave Shiki the best body possible as the third personality was purposely created by the Ryougi family as the perfect 'Alternate personality' so from the very beginging Ryougi was destined to see death while Nanaya was not he 'accidentally' seen death when he wasn't supposed too while Ryougi was supposed too due to the bodies original personality coming to surface.


The only difference between of their mystic eyes is their closeness to Akasha, where their perspective of death changes as they draw closer to Akasha. Tohno Shiki's Mystic Eyes see the death of "existence" whereas Ryougi Shiki see the death of "origin".


Hm thanks. I forgot about that. So in other words the only restrain is the body which makes him have a short living span which is said by Aoko in the true ending of tsukihime. I`m exciting with the Tsukihime remake but more exciting with tsukihime 2.Oops another reply and I can be called a spammer. Thanks for your info
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..................I really really suck at explaining but from what I read from the TYPE-MOON wiki, from the comments, watched from the movies and tsukihime episodes, I concluded that Ryougi Shiki is much much superior than Shiki Tohno and Nanaya. Why? because she is perfectly fit for the mystic eyes. It doesn't matter whose eyes are more advanced, what really matters is who can win in a fight. I think Ryougi will win because of her physical strength, speed and combat skills. What Tohno only has is his fighting skills from his genetic background, which really doesn't make sense to me. I mean COME ON! you inherit BADASS ASSASSIN SKILLS FROM YOUR GENETIC BACKGROUND??!! That does not make sense to me.Anyway, not only does Ryougi comes from a background of martial artists, but also she is a practitioner of martail arts and kendo as well.

If the two of them would fight RIGHT NOW! Ryougi will kill him instantly because she won't give him time to unleash Nanaya. Even if she gave him time, Ultimately she would be the victor.

Ryougi Shiki is more skilled in combat, has strong body and the right mental stability to fight and handle her mystic eyes than Tohno . She shows no hesitation to kill. She's the perfect assassin/warrior.

Face it, Shiki Tohno has too many drawbacks that I don't feel like mentioning them all. Even if he turned to Nanaya mode, it won't make a really significant difference against Ryougi due to his weak body. The longer he fights, the weaker his body becomes from his extensive use of his mystic eyes and his injured frail body.





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I would say Nanaya because Shiki Tohno isn't really a Tohno because his family line. "For a time, the Nanaya were considered one of the most powerful families of the Organization. Though they possessed a psychic ability in the form of Pure Eyes, what truly made them so powerful was their assassination skills and the refinement of normal human physical potential taken to the maximum level, which allowed them to perform incredible feats of athletics and acrobatics such as defying gravity to run across walls." so Nanaya/Tohno are alrdy pretty strong but if you follow up the story you hear about Satsujinki which is Nanaya and Tohno fused. When they fused there glasses no longer worked but they found a new way to concel the lines he uses bandges washed in holy water and uses it as a blindfold so basicly he fights blinded but still maneges to woop ass so if the new and improved Nanaya/Tohno were to fight Ryogi without a dout Satsujinki would win and plus Ryogi has something like a nanaya side to it's called her 3rd Personaity it only comes out when she's in danger but cause Satsujinki doesn't really care about what he kinda kills she wouldn't get a chance to unleash that state and only be able to use or almost good form
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