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but we can watch it free in high quality in other sites...why should we waste $7 on it....the site that i use has the same time posted as crunchyroll..NO OFFENSE.


Because here you are not stealing it. The subs here are production quality and it's exactly what you would see when the DVD's are eventually released. When you go to other sites to watch it you:

1 - Aren't counted as a real fan of the series. Everytime someone uploads a vid here its counted and TVTokyo is made aware of the hits. Anywhere else isn't counted, meaning ratings for the series. Crunchyroll and TVTokyo have the deal. This is important!

2 - You aren't paying for the series. Even if you wait and watch it for free, every hit and dollar Crunchyroll makes, is potential for a second season. The more hits the series makes, the stronger the potential for a second season!

Besides the quality of the vid might be okay, but the translation is going to be substandard. Why? Translation isn't just about knowing how to speak Japanese it's also about effectively translating the meaning into a completely different language (grammar, idioms, etc...). Sometimes effective translation isn't just about what they said, it's about what they meant. You can't always get that by just listening to the Japanese, sometimes you need to speak to the writers.

You can see evidence of this just with the translation of the episode titles!


But i doubt much people are willing to pay money for watching anime when theres free at other sites..since i understand japanese..i dun mind if they sub it wrongly or not..but anyway..im sorry that i even started this conversation...sorry sorry sorry.
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Because here you are not stealing it. The subs here are production quality and it's exactly what you would see when the DVD's are eventually released. When you go to other sites to watch it you:

1 - Aren't counted as a real fan of the series. Everytime someone uploads a vid here its counted and TVTokyo is made aware of the hits. Anywhere else isn't counted, meaning ratings for the series. Crunchyroll and TVTokyo have the deal. This is important!

2 - You aren't paying for the series. Even if you wait and watch it for free, every hit and dollar Crunchyroll makes, is potential for a second season. The more hits the series makes, the stronger the potential for a second season!

Besides the quality of the vid might be okay, but the translation is going to be substandard. Why? Translation isn't just about knowing how to speak Japanese it's also about effectively translating the meaning into a completely different language (grammar, idioms, etc...). Sometimes effective translation isn't just about what they said, it's about what they meant. You can't always get that by just listening to the Japanese, sometimes you need to speak to the writers.

You can see evidence of this just with the translation of the episode titles!


While I see the point for crunchy roll to make money is legitimate, some other points are not as solid. Or at least the message isn't.

Here me out. I'm not trying to be rude and I apologize if I come off as just that

1. The first sentence is poorly worded. People who watch a show regardless of it being on crunchy roll or not, they are still fans of the series. What they are not, are supporters of paying money. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if more subscribers are "paying" through crunchy dollars instead of paying actual money. (The Economy being horrid and people focusing on needs more than wants I find this believable more than ever now.)

2. I find it very hard to believe that the popularity of a legal anime streaming site could determine whether a show will gain another season or not. I'm pretty sure this is the first time something like this has happened on the net so predicting a possible outcome as big as that based on a number of "hits".... it's way too soon to start gloating " Watch or else your show may never continue." kind of warning

I'm not trying to be rude or anything but your persuasive reasoning why people should watch crunchy sounds more desperate than convincing.

PS: I myself am not a subscriber as I am fine with being a week behind in schedule. I would LIKE TO sign up, however, given my expenses and personal life as it is now, I cannot afford even the cheapest subscription.
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Because here you are not stealing it. The subs here are production quality and it's exactly what you would see when the DVD's are eventually released. When you go to other sites to watch it you:

1 - Aren't counted as a real fan of the series. Everytime someone uploads a vid here its counted and TVTokyo is made aware of the hits. Anywhere else isn't counted, meaning ratings for the series. Crunchyroll and TVTokyo have the deal. This is important!

2 - You aren't paying for the series. Even if you wait and watch it for free, every hit and dollar Crunchyroll makes, is potential for a second season. The more hits the series makes, the stronger the potential for a second season!

Besides the quality of the vid might be okay, but the translation is going to be substandard. Why? Translation isn't just about knowing how to speak Japanese it's also about effectively translating the meaning into a completely different language (grammar, idioms, etc...). Sometimes effective translation isn't just about what they said, it's about what they meant. You can't always get that by just listening to the Japanese, sometimes you need to speak to the writers.

You can see evidence of this just with the translation of the episode titles!


While I see the point for crunchy roll to make money is legitimate, some other points are not as solid. Or at least the message isn't.

Here me out. I'm not trying to be rude and I apologize if I come off as just that

1. The first sentence is poorly worded. People who watch a show regardless of it being on crunchy roll or not, they are still fans of the series. What they are not, are supporters of paying money. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if more subscribers are "paying" through crunchy dollars instead of paying actual money. (The Economy being horrid and people focusing on needs more than wants I find this believable more than ever now.)

2. I find it very hard to believe that the popularity of a legal anime streaming site could determine whether a show will gain another season or not. I'm pretty sure this is the first time something like this has happened on the net so predicting a possible outcome as big as that based on a number of "hits".... it's way too soon to start gloating " Watch or else your show may never continue." kind of warning

I'm not trying to be rude or anything but your persuasive reasoning why people should watch crunchy sounds more desperate than convincing.

PS: I myself am not a subscriber as I am fine with being a week behind in schedule. I would LIKE TO sign up, however, given my expenses and personal life as it is now, I cannot afford even the cheapest subscription.

Obviously you completely misunderstood so I will explain it in a simpler, and less sensational way.

Ratings count. Crunchyroll, like it or not is now an official distributor, meaning shows that get attention here (hits) are reported to the partner company TVTokyo. If a show gets hits here (and I don't mean just paid accounts) those hits and the subsequent web traffic are reported. Before you scoff think about the last time you watched the news on TV and were told about the hottest new trends on the web. Web hits are the new ratings. If the show gets hits on other sites, its meaningless. The hits are simply not getting to the right people.

That being said... all the hits to other illegal sites, (and they are going against copyright laws now, so yes they are illegal) are not counted by TVTokyo, meaning that every time a so-called 'fan' downloads or streams a vid from an illegal source it hurts the hits to the legitimate source. The same thing with music sharing sites and Viacom / Youtube. The vastness of the web and availability of information of treads on copyright laws and private ownerships. Which is why the penalties for such infringements have become so harsh. The Anime and Manga industries are a bit friendlier in that regard, but it is only a matter of time.

As for the people promoting Crunchyroll and attacking illegal streaming sites, it isn't desperation, but rather disgust. Free is never free enough. I applaud you for watching it here and waiting for the free streams, but so many spammers and 'fans' of the series are never happy with free access with any limitations. Anime isn't free to make and the production companies are fully within their rights to charge for their product. What's more... a lot of people don't realize just why Crunchyroll has free members wait a week. The truth is that the series doesn't only play on Japanese TV but also in Singapore and Taiwan. Fans there have to wait 5 days to see the new episode on their local channels. Why shouldn't they get it before the web? Those channels paid for the right after all.

As for my paid membership... I spent my birthday money on it (see my profile for the proof) I edit a guide for this series, so it was necessary. I caught it before the price went up.
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the-nishikaze wrote:


Saame wrote:


Because here you are not stealing it. The subs here are production quality and it's exactly what you would see when the DVD's are eventually released. When you go to other sites to watch it you:

1 - Aren't counted as a real fan of the series. Everytime someone uploads a vid here its counted and TVTokyo is made aware of the hits. Anywhere else isn't counted, meaning ratings for the series. Crunchyroll and TVTokyo have the deal. This is important!

2 - You aren't paying for the series. Even if you wait and watch it for free, every hit and dollar Crunchyroll makes, is potential for a second season. The more hits the series makes, the stronger the potential for a second season!

Besides the quality of the vid might be okay, but the translation is going to be substandard. Why? Translation isn't just about knowing how to speak Japanese it's also about effectively translating the meaning into a completely different language (grammar, idioms, etc...). Sometimes effective translation isn't just about what they said, it's about what they meant. You can't always get that by just listening to the Japanese, sometimes you need to speak to the writers.

You can see evidence of this just with the translation of the episode titles!


While I see the point for crunchy roll to make money is legitimate, some other points are not as solid. Or at least the message isn't.

Here me out. I'm not trying to be rude and I apologize if I come off as just that

1. The first sentence is poorly worded. People who watch a show regardless of it being on crunchy roll or not, they are still fans of the series. What they are not, are supporters of paying money. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if more subscribers are "paying" through crunchy dollars instead of paying actual money. (The Economy being horrid and people focusing on needs more than wants I find this believable more than ever now.)

2. I find it very hard to believe that the popularity of a legal anime streaming site could determine whether a show will gain another season or not. I'm pretty sure this is the first time something like this has happened on the net so predicting a possible outcome as big as that based on a number of "hits".... it's way too soon to start gloating " Watch or else your show may never continue." kind of warning

I'm not trying to be rude or anything but your persuasive reasoning why people should watch crunchy sounds more desperate than convincing.

PS: I myself am not a subscriber as I am fine with being a week behind in schedule. I would LIKE TO sign up, however, given my expenses and personal life as it is now, I cannot afford even the cheapest subscription.

Obviously you completely misunderstood so I will explain it in a simpler, and less sensational way.

Ratings count. Crunchyroll, like it or not is now an official distributor, meaning shows that get attention here (hits) are reported to the partner company TVTokyo. If a show gets hits here (and I don't mean just paid accounts) those hits and the subsequent web traffic are reported. Before you scoff think about the last time you watched the news on TV and were told about the hottest new trends on the web. Web hits are the new ratings. If the show gets hits on other sites, its meaningless. The hits are simply not getting to the right people.

That being said... all the hits to other illegal sites, (and they are going against copyright laws now, so yes they are illegal) are not counted by TVTokyo, meaning that every time a so-called 'fan' downloads or streams a vid from an illegal source it hurts the hits to the legitimate source. The same thing with music sharing sites and Viacom / Youtube. The vastness of the web and availability of information of treads on copyright laws and private ownerships. Which is why the penalties for such infringements have become so harsh. The Anime and Manga industries are a bit friendlier in that regard, but it is only a matter of time.

As for the people promoting Crunchyroll and attacking illegal streaming sites, it isn't desperation, but rather disgust. Free is never free enough. I applaud you for watching it here and waiting for the free streams, but so many spammers and 'fans' of the series are never happy with free access with any limitations. Anime isn't free to make and the production companies are fully within their rights to charge for their product. What's more... a lot of people don't realize just why Crunchyroll has free members wait a week. The truth is that the series doesn't only play on Japanese TV but also in Singapore and Taiwan. Fans there have to wait 5 days to see the new episode on their local channels. Why shouldn't they get it before the web? Those channels paid for the right after all.

As for my paid membership... I spent my birthday money on it (see my profile for the proof) I edit a guide for this series, so it was necessary. I caught it before the price went up.


No, I understand perfectly.I just don't believe what is being preached to the T.
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counting hits is for the sake of sponsorship deals. space and time are worth money. companies who expose their products want reliable figures if they are to invest in face-time with large numbers of potential customers. things aren't always so simple, but theoretically, it's the most beautiful display of an unhindered capitalist market i know. for god's sake, it's free! when it becomes popular enough, people will be purchasing gifts, paraphernalia, and the like; so long as the quality is worth the buck. i have been itching to buy a key chain at the very least. this practice will add additional, much-needed revenue to fuel the anime industry. i hope for it to grow because i love it, and also hope business practices remain ethical for the sake of art that can potentially generate income for over a thousand years(classical music). companies selling media's true assets are the fans themselves. which anime do you like most? buy it and they'll know what to sell you in the future.

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mourningdawn wrote:

counting hits is for the sake of sponsorship deals. space and time are worth money. companies who expose their products want reliable figures if they are to invest in face-time with large numbers of potential customers. things aren't always so simple, but theoretically, it's the most beautiful display of an unhindered capitalist market i know. for god's sake, it's free! when it becomes popular enough, people will be purchasing gifts, paraphernalia, and the like; so long as the quality is worth the buck. i have been itching to buy a key chain at the very least. this practice will add additional, much-needed revenue to fuel the anime industry. i hope for it to grow because i love it, and also hope business practices remain ethical for the sake of art that can potentially generate income for over a thousand years(classical music). companies selling media's true assets are the fans themselves. which anime do you like most? buy it and they'll know what to sell you in the future.

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I totaly agree with you, i mean is just paying a site the only way for an anime to make money? No, theres manga, accesories, collectors items, and DVDs. So yah the-nishikaze, you seriously sound desperate or something. Besides all around the world are people watching anime and a lot pay for membership fees too. Also the-nishikaze if you have been to other sites there are some that have donations and all, so you dont have to be so aggresive about crunchyroll and all.
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the-nishikaze wrote:


Saame wrote:


Because here you are not stealing it. The subs here are production quality and it's exactly what you would see when the DVD's are eventually released. When you go to other sites to watch it you:

1 - Aren't counted as a real fan of the series. Everytime someone uploads a vid here its counted and TVTokyo is made aware of the hits. Anywhere else isn't counted, meaning ratings for the series. Crunchyroll and TVTokyo have the deal. This is important!

2 - You aren't paying for the series. Even if you wait and watch it for free, every hit and dollar Crunchyroll makes, is potential for a second season. The more hits the series makes, the stronger the potential for a second season!

Besides the quality of the vid might be okay, but the translation is going to be substandard. Why? Translation isn't just about knowing how to speak Japanese it's also about effectively translating the meaning into a completely different language (grammar, idioms, etc...). Sometimes effective translation isn't just about what they said, it's about what they meant. You can't always get that by just listening to the Japanese, sometimes you need to speak to the writers.

You can see evidence of this just with the translation of the episode titles!


While I see the point for crunchy roll to make money is legitimate, some other points are not as solid. Or at least the message isn't.

Here me out. I'm not trying to be rude and I apologize if I come off as just that

1. The first sentence is poorly worded. People who watch a show regardless of it being on crunchy roll or not, they are still fans of the series. What they are not, are supporters of paying money. Frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if more subscribers are "paying" through crunchy dollars instead of paying actual money. (The Economy being horrid and people focusing on needs more than wants I find this believable more than ever now.)

2. I find it very hard to believe that the popularity of a legal anime streaming site could determine whether a show will gain another season or not. I'm pretty sure this is the first time something like this has happened on the net so predicting a possible outcome as big as that based on a number of "hits".... it's way too soon to start gloating " Watch or else your show may never continue." kind of warning

I'm not trying to be rude or anything but your persuasive reasoning why people should watch crunchy sounds more desperate than convincing.

PS: I myself am not a subscriber as I am fine with being a week behind in schedule. I would LIKE TO sign up, however, given my expenses and personal life as it is now, I cannot afford even the cheapest subscription.

Obviously you completely misunderstood so I will explain it in a simpler, and less sensational way.

Ratings count. Crunchyroll, like it or not is now an official distributor, meaning shows that get attention here (hits) are reported to the partner company TVTokyo. If a show gets hits here (and I don't mean just paid accounts) those hits and the subsequent web traffic are reported. Before you scoff think about the last time you watched the news on TV and were told about the hottest new trends on the web. Web hits are the new ratings. If the show gets hits on other sites, its meaningless. The hits are simply not getting to the right people.

That being said... all the hits to other illegal sites, (and they are going against copyright laws now, so yes they are illegal) are not counted by TVTokyo, meaning that every time a so-called 'fan' downloads or streams a vid from an illegal source it hurts the hits to the legitimate source. The same thing with music sharing sites and Viacom / Youtube. The vastness of the web and availability of information of treads on copyright laws and private ownerships. Which is why the penalties for such infringements have become so harsh. The Anime and Manga industries are a bit friendlier in that regard, but it is only a matter of time.

As for the people promoting Crunchyroll and attacking illegal streaming sites, it isn't desperation, but rather disgust. Free is never free enough. I applaud you for watching it here and waiting for the free streams, but so many spammers and 'fans' of the series are never happy with free access with any limitations. Anime isn't free to make and the production companies are fully within their rights to charge for their product. What's more... a lot of people don't realize just why Crunchyroll has free members wait a week. The truth is that the series doesn't only play on Japanese TV but also in Singapore and Taiwan. Fans there have to wait 5 days to see the new episode on their local channels. Why shouldn't they get it before the web? Those channels paid for the right after all.

As for my paid membership... I spent my birthday money on it (see my profile for the proof) I edit a guide for this series, so it was necessary. I caught it before the price went up.



There are sites that have anime some have it the day the anime was released, going to other sites doesnt mean that they had to have copied it and all. Also like you said waiting for the week to pass and being able to the anime then well after that week if other sites have that episode does that mean they copied it illegally? That site did wait a whole week just like the people in singapore and taiwan and crunchyroll to watch it for free.
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I totaly agree with you, i mean is just paying a site the only way for an anime to make money? No, theres manga, accesories, collectors items, and DVDs. So yah the-nishikaze, you seriously sound desperate or something. Besides all around the world are people watching anime and a lot pay for membership fees too. Also the-nishikaze if you have been to other sites there are some that have donations and all, so you dont have to be so aggresive about crunchyroll and all.


You really shouldn't attack someone without knowing all the facts. Crunchyroll paid TVTokyo for the rights to air Skip Beat! That is where the money is coming from. Since Crunchyroll paid for the right, all other sites are stealing. Would you like it if someone stole your property? The memberships here show support for properties already owned as well as support the purchases of new properties. Those other sites just take the money for themselves. The money doesn't ever get to the companies that produce the anime.

You may not like the system, but anime is a business just like any other.

Besides... It's free here, so what do you have to complain about?


aznnetfreak wrote:

There are sites that have anime some have it the day the anime was released, going to other sites doesnt mean that they had to have copied it and all. Also like you said waiting for the week to pass and being able to the anime then well after that week if other sites have that episode does that mean they copied it illegally? That site did wait a whole week just like the people in singapore and taiwan and crunchyroll to watch it for free.


You have misinterpreted the argument completely. Crunchyroll has a copyright deal for Skip Beat! They have the exclusive rights to this particular show (and a few others). It isn't the speed of the translation that becomes the problem, but the fact they (other streaming sites) are illegally translating copyrighted material.

You know those legal disclamers they put on DVDs? That's what we are talking about. The right to air the property of Skip Beat! legally.

Edit:

I went back and re-read his post and he's absolutely right. Too bad free is never free enough. **sighs**


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counting hits is for the sake of sponsorship deals. space and time are worth money. companies who expose their products want reliable figures if they are to invest in face-time with large numbers of potential customers. things aren't always so simple, but theoretically, it's the most beautiful display of an unhindered capitalist market i know. for god's sake, it's free! when it becomes popular enough, people will be purchasing gifts, paraphernalia, and the like; so long as the quality is worth the buck. i have been itching to buy a key chain at the very least. this practice will add additional, much-needed revenue to fuel the anime industry. i hope for it to grow because i love it, and also hope business practices remain ethical for the sake of art that can potentially generate income for over a thousand years(classical music). companies selling media's true assets are the fans themselves. which anime do you like most? buy it and they'll know what to sell you in the future.

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Wait! what licensed? only CR is allowed to legally stream it. ^_^? what does that mean? if you ain't a member you can't watch it?

I personally think ya don't have the right to limited people freedom up here. They can do there business whatsoever they like at least not so pornographic. little kids knows what not to look and not... But I agree about the hate comment and stuff I found it unnecessary and stupid.
I think one of the problem that begin in hate comments are people that love to snitch others out which I find it childish stop tattle telling.
I'm just speaking from my mind. I think people are allow to use curse word at least keep it cool no dramatic words.
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Wait! what licensed? only CR is allowed to legally stream it. ^_^? what does that mean? if you ain't a member you can't watch it?

I personally think ya don't have the right to limited people freedom up here.


Uh... yeah, they do. They own it and do whatever they want with it and you don't have to be a member to watch it here.
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Exactly.
I took to watching Skip Beat by recommendation which took me to Crunchyroll enabling me to view the whole series - it's not shown in the UK - it in good quality with excellent subtitling.
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2: Keep the language at a PG-13 level. There are minors present, so save the cursing and above PG-13 content/pictures off of Crunchyroll.


You know, my friends who love yaoi, and i do too, tells me that many yaoi groups have been being deleted. Yaoi is pretty over PG 13 i think but if it is, does that mean its fair to be deleted?? I dont think so and im pretty sure lots of people out ther dont either.

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