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Posted 1/26/09 , edited 2/16/09
All Mages should give most of Bonus Attributes to Vitality, because Mages need high HP to survive & rely damage on items.

Evade NPCs:

Fire Mage:
9 ~ 24 Junglizm
25 ~ 46 Evil Crunchystar
25 ~ 65 Crossy
24 ~ 65 Slowdanse Evil Fire
20 ~ 75 Demon In Deskies
25 ~ 75 Witch
40 ~ 70 Wild Fire Dragon
To Be Announced...

Water Mage:
10 ~ 25 Tacosuke
40 ~ 70 Wild Water Dragon
To Be Announced...

Lightning Mage:
40 ~ 70 Wild Lightning Dragon
To Be Announced...

Earth Mage:
40 ~ 70 Wild Earth Dragon
To Be Announced...

*It's not a must to follow the guide, you can continue do it your way, but i think the Evade NPCs is useful for those who don't want to lost Gold when they met new NPCs. Sticky-able thread, Mods are welcome to edit this thread to add more informations(there are still some elemental NPCs that I don't know yet, but I'll update this thread whenever I found).

*Update: All Players are welcome to reply NPCs that have high Elmental Defend that you experienced and not listed.
Reply example: "I met Level [#] [NPC name], it has High [Elemental] Defend", I'll list it up as soon as possible.
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Posted 1/26/09
1: Search the forums
2: Thread already made about this
3: Your wrong
4: Vitality is the ONLY stat needed, please do more background checking before posting information
5: Fire is the only Elemental attack needed past lvl 70
6: All npcs are vulnerable to most elemental atks
7: You have yet to reach level 90, so you have no idea how much you will be needing to use Evade Npc >.>
8: Elemental attacks are restricted by which avatar you are using, you have no information regarding this
9: Please post a good amount of information overall before creating a thread
10: If you want to continue this, do step 1, search for 2, realise 4, find out about 5, get to 7, and THEN make a guide -.-
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Posted 1/26/09

Xaszx wrote:

1: Search the forums
2: Thread already made about this
3: Your wrong
4: Vitality is the ONLY stat needed, please do more background checking before posting information
5: Fire is the only Elemental attack needed past lvl 70
6: All npcs are vulnerable to most elemental atks
7: You have yet to reach level 90, so you have no idea how much you will be needing to use Evade Npc >.>
8: Elemental attacks are restricted by which avatar you are using, you have no information regarding this
9: Please post a good amount of information overall before creating a thread
10: If you want to continue this, do step 1, search for 2, realise 4, find out about 5, get to 7, and THEN make a guide -.-


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Posted 1/26/09

Xaszx wrote:

1: Search the forums
2: Thread already made about this
3: Your wrong
4: Vitality is the ONLY stat needed, please do more background checking before posting information
5: Fire is the only Elemental attack needed past lvl 70
6: All npcs are vulnerable to most elemental atks
7: You have yet to reach level 90, so you have no idea how much you will be needing to use Evade Npc >.>
8: Elemental attacks are restricted by which avatar you are using, you have no information regarding this
9: Please post a good amount of information overall before creating a thread
10: If you want to continue this, do step 1, search for 2, realise 4, find out about 5, get to 7, and THEN make a guide -.-


be patient, it's going to be changing rather soon ^.^
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Posted 1/26/09 , edited 1/26/09

Xaszx wrote:

1: Search the forums
2: Thread already made about this
3: Your wrong
4: Vitality is the ONLY stat needed, please do more background checking before posting information
5: Fire is the only Elemental attack needed past lvl 70
6: All npcs are vulnerable to most elemental atks
7: You have yet to reach level 90, so you have no idea how much you will be needing to use Evade Npc >.>
8: Elemental attacks are restricted by which avatar you are using, you have no information regarding this
9: Please post a good amount of information overall before creating a thread
10: If you want to continue this, do step 1, search for 2, realise 4, find out about 5, get to 7, and THEN make a guide -.-


Dude, chill out it's under construction like your beginner guide.
1.There was NONE Magician Guide thread in CL forum(as I searched so far).
2.(Answer 1.).
3.It's not a must to follow, as I mentioned in the ending message.
4.Not all Warriors give all Vitality Attributes(some are balanced Strength & Vitality).
5.No, Earth & Water are good too.
6.No, there are NPCs that resist to some Elemental Attack, which could make your magic useless and should be Evade.
7.Exactly, that's why I made this thread for everyone(Mods & Normal Players) to share their experience about NPCs that they faced.
8.Okay, my avatar is defend less that's why any High Fire Defend can defeat me easily(Not overpowered at all).
9.I WILL update.
10.It's better if everyone reply information like "I met Level [#] [NPC name], it has High [Elemental] Defend" or may be "Thanks for making this thread, you saved my life".
Posted 1/27/09

Xaszx wrote:

1: Search the forums
2: Thread already made about this
3: Your wrong
4: Vitality is the ONLY stat needed, please do more background checking before posting information
5: Fire is the only Elemental attack needed past lvl 70
6: All npcs are vulnerable to most elemental atks
7: You have yet to reach level 90, so you have no idea how much you will be needing to use Evade Npc >.>
8: Elemental attacks are restricted by which avatar you are using, you have no information regarding this
9: Please post a good amount of information overall before creating a thread
10: If you want to continue this, do step 1, search for 2, realise 4, find out about 5, get to 7, and THEN make a guide -.-


whoa whoa whoa haha, cool your beans, the guy was only trying to help people give him some time to work on it.
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0ak wrote:


Xaszx wrote:

1: Search the forums
2: Thread already made about this
3: Your wrong
4: Vitality is the ONLY stat needed, please do more background checking before posting information
5: Fire is the only Elemental attack needed past lvl 70
6: All npcs are vulnerable to most elemental atks
7: You have yet to reach level 90, so you have no idea how much you will be needing to use Evade Npc >.>
8: Elemental attacks are restricted by which avatar you are using, you have no information regarding this
9: Please post a good amount of information overall before creating a thread
10: If you want to continue this, do step 1, search for 2, realise 4, find out about 5, get to 7, and THEN make a guide -.-


Dude, chill out it's under construction like your beginner guide.
1.There was NONE Magician Guide thread in CL forum(as I searched so far).
2.(Answer 1.).
3.It's not a must to follow, as I mentioned in the ending message.
4.Not all Warriors give all Vitality Attributes(some are balanced Strength & Vitality).
5.No, Earth & Water are good too.
6.No, there are NPCs that resist to some Elemental Attack, which could make your magic useless and should be Evade.
7.Exactly, that's why I made this thread for everyone(Mods & Normal Players) to share their experience about NPCs that they faced.
8.Okay, my avatar is defend less that's why any High Fire Defend can defeat me easily(Not overpowered at all).
9.I WILL update.
10.It's better if everyone reply information like "I met Level [#] [NPC name], it has High [Elemental] Defend" or may be "Thanks for making this thread, you saved my life".


4. Those that don't are only cheating themselves, 4 STR = 1 Damage, and 12 STR = 1 Defense, assuming a 10 round fight, this means that the 12 STR would be worth 100 hp, however only against enemys that use physical attacks, where as 12 Vital is 72 HP against all enemies, now, the faster you get at killing NPCs (due to using their weakness, or having really strong attacks), or the more different kinds of attacks they use, the more the 72 HP will help over the 10 defense and 3 damage (and btw, that 12 magic would be 1 elemental defense, 72 Mana, and 1 elemental damage).

10. Hate to break it to you, no one is going to say "Thanks for making this thread, you saved my life." unless they were so extreme that they would kill themselves if they lost once to an NPC on CRL.
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Posted 1/27/09 , edited 1/27/09

Santar wrote:

4. Those that don't are only cheating themselves, 4 STR = 1 Damage, and 12 STR = 1 Defense, assuming a 10 round fight, this means that the 12 STR would be worth 100 hp, however only against enemys that use physical attacks, where as 12 Vital is 72 HP against all enemies, now, the faster you get at killing NPCs (due to using their weakness, or having really strong attacks), or the more different kinds of attacks they use, the more the 72 HP will help over the 10 defense and 3 damage (and btw, that 12 magic would be 1 elemental defense, 72 Mana, and 1 elemental damage).

10. Hate to break it to you, no one is going to say "Thanks for making this thread, you saved my life." unless they were so extreme that they would kill themselves if they lost once to an NPC on CRL.


10.This thread could save them from facing an Unknow NPC(the first time they encounter the NPC), they can check if their avatar can defeat it all not. Of course the "Life" I meant the Gold that they may loose if they get killed by trying to fight with the new NPC.

ps: It cost me 40k Gold to notice & add the Evil Crunchystar, I hepe it never killed anyone else again.
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*sigh* okay, here is the quickest mage guide for anyone

Fire element only past lvl 70 because it is the only attack that will help you level up, each npc does 2k dmg and there is one npc with a huge negative towards fire, this makes fire the best element versus npc's past lvl 70 period

Best element for pvp depends on items and avatar, but i would say water or fire...other elements don't have enough items for lvls 90+

Past lvl 70+, you will die a bunch, gold is useless since you will lose alot, so preventing someone from losing 40k from a lower npc is ridiculous -.-

strength and magic stat are useless, with items that add % to hp/vit, basicly your giving up roughly 150 hp for 1 dmg..hp is a major thing later on, damage can be minimal but hp is key and the most important thing in your crunchyland life

best npc for magic is bishi, before it was chibi/girl

i made a guide..yes...i stopped..because crunchyland is in beta...which means nothing is guaranteed to stick except publisher items, that and all my work would have gone to waste -.-...plus the stat problem occured and things went out of control

if a new player fights a creature and dies, it is their fault for not searching the forums for beginner guides and by doing some tests -.-...i got to lvl 50 in the first day..and within 10 days i knew everything about the game...it's not rocket science, and it's not like 9 yr olds are playing the game, you guys are smart enough to try an npc and if you fail..you fail....as well...you shouldn't fail because of udon and by using the old way to fight...if you use the new way...*sigh* then please read around before posting information

as well..if your so intent on doing this, i guess ill give you a fair warning just to be nice...

95% of the npcs you will face, you will evade past lvl 70 or so -.-...as well..

earth magic is the best element up to lvl 50, water between 50 and 70

and the complete reason you made this thread, will help no-one...since people are idiots and don't know what a forum is or where it is located >.>..so when telling people where to go, they get lost and get pwned by their own idiocy <3


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Posted 1/30/09 , edited 1/30/09

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*sigh* okay... ...earth magic is the best element...



Do you remember any NPC/s Name that killed your Magician Avatar before u quit CL?
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I understand how you feel about vitality, but you shouldn't try to force it on others... I mean it's kinda rude how you replied here... You can suggest it, but you shouldn't say it's the ONLY stat needed, since that's the user's opinion.
It shouldn't matter to anyone else but themself about how they set their avatar's stats.
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I understand how you feel about vitality, but you shouldn't try to force it on others... I mean it's kinda rude how you replied here... You can suggest it, but you shouldn't say it's the ONLY stat needed, since that's the user's opinion.
It shouldn't matter to anyone else but themself about how they set their avatar's stats.


Well, here's the problem with vitality, 1 vital = 6 hp, which means if a character invests every point in vital, they have 500 vital, or 3000 HP, where as if a character invests, lets say 2/5 into vital, and 3/5 into strength, they will have 203 vital (1218 HP), and 302 Strength (75 Damage, 25 Defense), now, with a full set of level 85 items, lets say half damage half defense (1606 Damage, 1606 Defense), a level 95 NPC will do ~1078 a hit to the full vital character, and 1053 a hit to the 2/5 vital and 3/5 strength, meaning that the Strength based character will survive 1 hit, meaning they have to kill the npc by turn 2 to draw, or use a udon every other turn, where as the vital based character will survive 2 hits, meaning they have to kill the npc by turn 3 to draw, or use a udon every 3 turns. With 1681 Damage, the strength character would deal ~787 damage each hit to the npc, and the vital character will deal ~712 damage each hit, so the NPC would have to have ~1574 HP to die on the 2nd turn for the strength based, or ~2136 HP to die on the 3rd turn for the vital based.

Now, I don't know what the HP is of level 95 NPCs, but there's level 65 NPCs with almost 1300 HP, so I don't think either of those characters will survive a fight without a lot of udons, however the vitality character will use less udons, and kill the NPC faster (dealing ~1424 damage per udon, where as the STR based does ~787 damage per udon, or DPU, lol). Of course, no one uses physical damage against level 9X npcs anyway, so that is a bit nonvalid, but seeing as magical defense isn't listed for NPCs in the stat guide, I cannot judge how long it would take with magic to kill an NPC.
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Posted 2/9/09
Yup everyone knows vitaly rocks.

Thats why we need 2 things for balance

1. Reset our points with something buyable in shinji's shop

or.

2. Improve the STR and MAGIC points into alot higher damage...
everyone is gonna regret to have used points in STR and MAGIC

I hope that happens

But it's nog a big problem


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so much math >.< Half of this thread seems to be about the merits of vit XD

and yes, xas has a point about users not knowing about the forums:
I didn't find them for CL for months, literally, and I played a lot more than many people do
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Posted 2/10/09 , edited 2/10/09

infiniteplaylist56 wrote:

so much math >.< Half of this thread seems to be about the merits of vit XD

and yes, xas has a point about users not knowing about the forums:
I didn't find them for CL for months, literally, and I played a lot more than many people do


Your wrong: I also played since the start. *Yup the old days were good*
but the time you started isn't important..


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