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Lol come on many here is actually buying Iran being a threat. A threat to USA as much Iran president (I cant spell his name off the top of my head) try to get bush to talk with him bush turns them all down. He even wrote a touching letter to bush you guys need to check it out. Bush doesnt respond. All the interviews he been on in the USA all the tough questions he asked, and many many times he says Iran doesnt have anything against Americans. Please people use your brains Iran is a weak nation and it will never be a threat. I just proved to many that his quote was taken waay out of context and there is no proof of them creating a nuclear weapon. So why are we still pushing the same neo con propaganda on this forum when the facts already been stated? Why do we insist on going to war with weak countries who never layed a finger on us? Why do we think Israel with all its might cant handle anything for themselves? Are you guys willing to die for Israel? Put their interests first over your countries? Where did this thinking even come from? It is terribly sad that after all those lies Bush still has credibility and the government can use the same trick on Iraq to Iran and people sheeply follow it. For the muslims only on this thread there is a verse in the Quran when I find it exactly I will quote it right. But it said the enemy will come at you with lies it is our duty to ascetain the truth. Think about that for a minute.

@Azera Alex Jones is ok to me but sometimes he goes a little overboard with conspiracys and thats where he loses me. But his websites really have some good articles written by others.


Quite valid. Iran isn't a threat to the U.S. But a lot of Arab countries believe that Iran is a threat to them.


For the muslims only on this thread there is a verse in the Quran when I find it exactly I will quote it right. But it said the enemy will come at you with lies it is our duty to ascetain the truth. Think about that for a minute.


Oh yes, I remember reading that. You have excellent points ^_^
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AleeceNoTenshi wrote:


sebastianthepinkrabbit wrote:


AleeceNoTenshi wrote:
In Irans case, I'm not surprised. They really are a force to be feared. Remember when America stood beside Saddam Hussein, against Iran? That was the only time Iran was kept at bay, now, America got rid of their scapegoat... and it's about to bite them hard on the arse.


Saddam Hussein was just a joke to play on Iran.

Iran is not a threat to U.S..
They are surrounded; the U.S. in Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc.
Plus our lovely allies Turkey (who would love to stick their foot up Syria's ass).


Iran's people are suffering under that regime.
Iran's government wants to play games with Israel...
Iran doesn't have a chance in hell. Hopefully the people will rise up before it's too late.






America isn't naive enough to ally themselves with someone like Saddam Hussein as a joke. These types of things are not jokes, that's like Obama saying 'Everyone except for African Americans must pay higher taxes' and then calling it a joke. Even if it was a joke, most people wouldn't be thrilled to hear it.

Yeah, but Americans in Afghanistan and in Iraq have to get past other forces before making their way to Iran. they're way to pre-occupied and if Iran is slapped on top of that workload... well we could only imagine.

Turkey would love to stick their foot up Syria's ass, but the arabs aren't exactly happy with Turkey themselves... and turkey isn't really a threat, they're too busy with Cyprus.

Iranians support their government, and they despise America. They're hate for America is to powerful for you to just side-step.

Wants to play games with Israel? Wow, you make politics sound so simple.

Don't bet on it, it doesn't look as though people will rise up anytime soon... the only rising up they will do is against the U.S.


Well I am no expert on the middle east conflict and I have not really been up to date on the current conflict there but I thought I share some views on the region there based on the past few posts which may not reflect the current situation clearly enough.


1, Firstly the issue of USA and Iraq, where the past post seem to joke that US were not that close to Iraq Saddam Hussein. It was never any secret now that US intelligence helped Saddam’s Ba`ath Party seize power for the first time in 1963. Reports show that Saddam was on the CIA payroll as early as 1959, when he participated in a failed assassination attempt against Iraqi strongman Abd al-Karim Qassem. In the 1980s, the US and Britain backed Saddam in the war against Iran, giving Iraq arms, money, satellite intelligence, and even chemical & bio-weapon precursors. As many as 90 US military advisors supported Iraqi forces and helped pick targets for Iraqi air and missile attacks. There is also an iconic photograph of past Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussein during a visit to Iraq in December, 1983. In a way the US created and nurtured before ending this 'tyrant' Saddam Hussein.


2. The issue of Turkey and Syria conflict which went far back as 1998 and probably even further, in 1998, there was military buildup between the 2 countries and there was the threat of war. Turkey has accused Syria then of allowing Turkish Kurd separatists of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) to use bases in Syria but Syria has denied this. Engagement on talks between both side's leaders coupled with Israel, Egypt and UN diplomatic talks have resulted in an ease of tensions though suspicions remain between the 2 countries.

There have been progress between the 2 countries, trade talks (Turkey's Economy Minister, Redjep Onal meet with Syrian officials in Damascus) in 2000, and in Jan 2004, both Syria and Turkey leaders meet and pledge to work together to work together in peace in the middle east, Turkey a close Israel ally was to foster good relations between Syria and Israel as well. Further proof is when Turkey sent army planes and helicopters to help extinguish a forest fire in Syria in Oct 2004. In Dec 2008 both Turkish and Syrian leaders urge Islamic nations to pressure Israel to end Gaza offensive as it will hinder peace process.


3. The issue of Turkey and Cyprus goes as far back as 1974, where Turkey invaded Northern Cyprus when a military coup deposed of then leader, President Archbishop Makarios, a Greek Cypriot. The coup led to fears among the Turkish Cypriot community that the Greek-backed military rulers would ignore their rights and press for unification for Cyprus with Greece A cease fire was arranged by US secretary of state and more talks and conference arranged but were broken down by fresh fighting and Turkey seize control of 40% of the country. In 1975, the Turkish Federated State of Cyprus was formed and in1983 declared themselves an independent state. Another referendum for reconcillation was formed in 2004 but was still rejected.

The country of Cyprus now is divided by a UN buffer zone, where the island northern third inhabited by Turkish Cypriots and the southern two-thirds by Greek Cypriots. There have been progress, UN-sponsored talks between Cypriot and Turkish leaders on a series of confidence-building measures and contacts between the communities. In 2007, the Symbolic Nicosia wall was demolish as well as breaches in the Green line. In 2008, there is progress for peace and reconciliation for Cyprus as the election in February was won by moderate Demetris Christofias, leader of the Communist Party Akel to replace hardliner Tassos Papadopoulos as President of the Republic of Cyprus. Peace talks are ongoing strong between Greek and Turkish-Cypriots to reunite. Turkey on this matter hope for peace to succeed so as to cement her citizenship in EU.


4. The issue of Arab world and Turkey is unclear to me but I believe it to be of the ties Turkey have to Israel. Still Turkey have spoken against past Israeli actions especially on the past Gaza offensive which can damage the peace process especially now that its role as mediator between Syria and and Israel is put on hold.


5. Last but not least the issue of Iran is a unique situation. Contrary to past reports from media that Iran leaders were an axis of evil and its leaders were clearly anti-Semite, there have been a report (unconfirmed) that then Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad words were taken out of context and a Jewish community thriving in Iran with a Jewish representative in Parliament. Iran is home to the second largest Jewish community in the middle east next to Israel, there are conflicts because of their roots to Israel (having relatives) as well as cultural standing and laws that favour Muslims though.

The US government have accused Iran of possibly making nuclear weapons and want Iran to halt uranium enrichment The Iranian government have denied this claims and have claimed that their nuclear ambition is based on a peaceful process to provide energy for its citizens and that they are monitored by International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). The new American President Obama has promised to foster talks with Iranian leaders and it be interesting to see how this pans out first.before making any snap judgement.
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Northboundsnow wrote:


AleeceNoTenshi wrote:


sebastianthepinkrabbit wrote:


AleeceNoTenshi wrote:
In Irans case, I'm not surprised. They really are a force to be feared. Remember when America stood beside Saddam Hussein, against Iran? That was the only time Iran was kept at bay, now, America got rid of their scapegoat... and it's about to bite them hard on the arse.


Saddam Hussein was just a joke to play on Iran.

Iran is not a threat to U.S..
They are surrounded; the U.S. in Iraq, Afghanistan etc etc.
Plus our lovely allies Turkey (who would love to stick their foot up Syria's ass).


Iran's people are suffering under that regime.
Iran's government wants to play games with Israel...
Iran doesn't have a chance in hell. Hopefully the people will rise up before it's too late.






America isn't naive enough to ally themselves with someone like Saddam Hussein as a joke. These types of things are not jokes, that's like Obama saying 'Everyone except for African Americans must pay higher taxes' and then calling it a joke. Even if it was a joke, most people wouldn't be thrilled to hear it.

Yeah, but Americans in Afghanistan and in Iraq have to get past other forces before making their way to Iran. they're way to pre-occupied and if Iran is slapped on top of that workload... well we could only imagine.

Turkey would love to stick their foot up Syria's ass, but the arabs aren't exactly happy with Turkey themselves... and turkey isn't really a threat, they're too busy with Cyprus.

Iranians support their government, and they despise America. They're hate for America is to powerful for you to just side-step.

Wants to play games with Israel? Wow, you make politics sound so simple.

Don't bet on it, it doesn't look as though people will rise up anytime soon... the only rising up they will do is against the U.S.


Well I am no expert on the middle east conflict and I have not really been up to date on the current conflict there but I thought I share some views on the region there based on the past few posts which may not reflect the current situation clearly enough.


1, Firstly the issue of USA and Iraq, where the past post seem to joke that US were not that close to Iraq Saddam Hussein. It was never any secret now that US intelligence helped Saddam’s Ba`ath Party seize power for the first time in 1963. Reports show that Saddam was on the CIA payroll as early as 1959, when he participated in a failed assassination attempt against Iraqi strongman Abd al-Karim Qassem. In the 1980s, the US and Britain backed Saddam in the war against Iran, giving Iraq arms, money, satellite intelligence, and even chemical & bio-weapon precursors. As many as 90 US military advisors supported Iraqi forces and helped pick targets for Iraqi air and missile attacks. There is also an iconic photograph of past Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld shaking hands with Saddam Hussein during a visit to Iraq in December, 1983. In a way the US created and nurtured before ending this 'tyrant' Saddam Hussein.


2. The issue of Turkey and Syria conflict which went far back as 1998 and probably even further, in 1998, there was military buildup between the 2 countries and there was the threat of war. Turkey has accused Syria then of allowing Turkish Kurd separatists of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) to use bases in Syria but Syria has denied this. Engagement on talks between both side's leaders coupled with Israel, Egypt and UN diplomatic talks have resulted in an ease of tensions though suspicions remain between the 2 countries.

There have been progress between the 2 countries, trade talks (Turkey's Economy Minister, Redjep Onal meet with Syrian officials in Damascus) in 2000, and in Jan 2004, both Syria and Turkey leaders meet and pledge to work together to work together in peace in the middle east, Turkey a close Israel ally was to foster good relations between Syria and Israel as well. Further proof is when Turkey sent army planes and helicopters to help extinguish a forest fire in Syria in Oct 2004. In Dec 2008 both Turkish and Syrian leaders urge Islamic nations to pressure Israel to end Gaza offensive as it will hinder peace process.


3. The issue of Turkey and Cyprus goes as far back as 1974, where Turkey invaded Northern Cyprus when a military coup deposed of then leader, President Archbishop Makarios, a Greek Cypriot. The coup led to fears among the Turkish Cypriot community that the Greek-backed military rulers would ignore their rights and press for unification for Cyprus with Greece A cease fire was arranged by US secretary of state and more talks and conference arranged but were broken down by fresh fighting and Turkey seize control of 40% of the country. In 1975, the Turkish Federated State of Cyprus was formed and in1983 declared themselves an independent state. Another referendum for reconcillation was formed in 2004 but was still rejected.

The country of Cyprus now is divided by a UN buffer zone, where the island northern third inhabited by Turkish Cypriots and the southern two-thirds by Greek Cypriots. There have been progress, UN-sponsored talks between Cypriot and Turkish leaders on a series of confidence-building measures and contacts between the communities. In 2007, the Symbolic Nicosia wall was demolish as well as breaches in the Green line. In 2008, there is progress for peace and reconciliation for Cyprus as the election in February was won by moderate Demetris Christofias, leader of the Communist Party Akel to replace hardliner Tassos Papadopoulos as President of the Republic of Cyprus. Peace talks are ongoing strong between Greek and Turkish-Cypriots to reunite. Turkey on this matter hope for peace to succeed so as to cement her citizenship in EU.


4. The issue of Arab world and Turkey is unclear to me but I believe it to be of the ties Turkey have to Israel. Still Turkey have spoken against past Israeli actions especially on the past Gaza offensive which can damage the peace process especially now that its role as mediator between Syria and and Israel is put on hold.


5. Last but not least the issue of Iran is a unique situation. Contrary to past reports from media that Iran leaders were an axis of evil and its leaders were clearly anti-Semite, there have been a report (unconfirmed) that then Iran's President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad words were taken out of context and a Jewish community thriving in Iran with a Jewish representative in Parliament. Iran is home to the second largest Jewish community in the middle east next to Israel, there are conflicts because of their roots to Israel (having relatives) as well as cultural standing and laws that favour Muslims though.

The US government have accused Iran of possibly making nuclear weapons and want Iran to halt uranium enrichment The Iranian government have denied this claims and have claimed that their nuclear ambition is based on a peaceful process to provide energy for its citizens and that they are monitored by International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA). The new American President Obama has promised to foster talks with Iranian leaders and it be interesting to see how this pans out first.before making any snap judgement.


I wasn't 100% on everything either so thanks for clearing everything up a bit more. It is pretty much what I was saying, maybe with a few left out points, but it's pretty much a summary of what you wrote.

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my lovely country !!
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Ugh, I think they need a new president..Ahmadinejad is just...horrible.
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yes, and the usa desperately needs a new one already.
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i think the America and Iran should discuss this with a cup of tea

no i mean seriously just a plain discussion with no guards and no weapons or anything. We are all human, and humans were meant to socialize. A plain little talk could save millions of lives
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i think the America and Iran should discuss this with a cup of tea

no i mean seriously just a plain discussion with no guards and no weapons or anything. We are all human, and humans were meant to socialize. A plain little talk could save millions of lives


nice idea!!!
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