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Official Episode 94 - A Night of Rain Thread
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I'm starting to like Guren as a character. Even though she's filler, she seems a little more complex than I thought.
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NuRm667 wrote:

I'm starting to like Guren as a character. Even though she's filler, she seems a little more complex than I thought.


Same... Though I can't entirely say her jutsu fits too well into the world of Naruto, given her last comment about the flower not withering so long as she was alive. It could imply that her jutsu breaks if she's dead, which would mean she's expending continuous energy while alive to keep all her formerly crystallized things still in that state. Then again, it is just a cartoon :-P
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NuRm667 wrote:

I'm starting to like Guren as a character. Even though she's filler, she seems a little more complex than I thought.


I love her. She stole my heart, admittedly. Which surprised me---because most of the Naruto filler has bored me to tears, or made me shake my head in either shame, or embarrassed amusement.

She's amazing. (And I fell for her so much, I'm going to be wearing a cosplay of her next month at Katsucon 15. If you're going, look for it!)


I got to see 94; and honestly, I like the episode. It was a lot about her---and showed that even though, by Konoha's (and the series') standards, she's a "bad guy"--she has a very good heart. She's a good person. It made me like her even more.

Admittedly, the Camellia scene at the end made me a little teary eyed--for her words, "This camellia will never wither. As long as I'm alive. " That was very telling, at least for me---she's probably going to fall, and the camellia will wither--a metaphor for her. At least, that is my prediction.

Guren love. <3

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"I get nothing and have to reach for the mouse, kinda annoying"

rofl wut?

And people, about the filler "adding to the story": When Asuma died, they really drilled it into our heads and milked it for everything it was worth. Flashbacks after flashbacks and flashbacks within flashbacks about flashbacks about playing shougi made my eyes BLEED. HES A MINOR CHARACTER! He shouldnt have full episodes let alone arcs that revolve around him. This arc is absolutely terrible. Its worse than the arc before the time skip. The only, ONLY good thing about this arc is that it has Hinata with a more than minimal role. Death to filler.


yeah and when
they barley did anything, they only showed him walking through a black space.


Wow thanks for using
You should be shot, not all of us are up to date on the manga. Thanks a lot ***hole.


sorry.
I don't know how to use spoiler tags

once again I'm ssssssssssssssssssooooooooooooooooo sorry
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morromod wrote:

"I get nothing and have to reach for the mouse, kinda annoying"

rofl wut?

And people, about the filler "adding to the story": This series is called Naruto, not Naruto and Friends. The filler leading up to the Hidan/Kakuzu arc was pointless and when Asuma finally died, they really drilled it into our heads and milked it for everything it was worth and thereby destroying any satisfaction the viewer gets from what little combat there was. Flashbacks after flashbacks and flashbacks within flashbacks about flashbacks about playing shougi made my eyes BLEED. HES A MINOR CHARACTER! He shouldnt have full episodes let alone arcs that revolve around him. This arc is absolutely terrible. Its worse than the arc before the time skip. The only, ONLY good thing about this arc is that it has Hinata with a more than minimal role. Death to filler.


Don't give anything a chance, do you?

I, myself, was someone who swore the anime off really, and never paid attention to it. I didn't really give a damn about watching the anime--because I was up to date on the manga. I didn't need to watch it in the anime, it already happened, and I was really uninterested.

A lot of that was due to, admittedly, the filler between Part 1 and Part 2 (Shippuden).

I actually began to watch the anime again around where Asuma died. And 82 is now my favorite episode of Shippuden, if nothing but for the beautiful animation, the poignant storyline, and the (heaven forbid!) character deepening. One of the best things about this series is the multitude of diverse characters. Yes, the series is called "Naruto" but, let me ask you, did you complain when there was about a 40 chapter lull where Naruto barely showed up at all, and the series was technically called "Sasuke"? Or was that alright because Sasuke's a main character?

If a story revolves around one person, constantly, then the series gets nowhere, and its rather superficial. The story isn't interesting. A lot of Naruto's intrigue came from the way he interacted with other characters. Yes, a lot of Part 1 revolved around him--but what about the episodes in the Chuunin Exam where it was really about one of the other side characters in a fight (3rd Exam (Prelims and the Exam proper) and also, the Oto and Suna invasion), or the Sound Five arc where there were whole episodes dedicated to flashbacks and fights between one of the Konoha Five, and one of the Sound Five? Was that a bad part in the story as well?

Characters are what make a story. What they did with Shikamaru was wonderful; and it shouldn't have been any other way. Would it have made sense for Naruto to go out and avenge Asuma? No. Why would he? Asuma wasn't that close to him; therefore his reasons were nowhere near as emotional. He went to aid Team 10 at Tsunade's behest because he wishes to deal damage to Akatsuki for all they've done, and are planning to do.

This is actually making Naruto a better story.

And also, the next arc that's coming up.


And though this is my opinion, I'm enjoying this filler. I was amazed at the depth they placed into Guren. She's a good character, with a good heart. They've actually put thought into this filler, unlike they did at the end of Part 1--where they slapped together an anecdote every week because they didn't wish to put the series on hiatus.

Just because it's filler doesn't mean it's automatically horrible. Because of the understandable stigma after Part 1, many people believe this, with a feasible reason. But, there's still call to give something a chance before you throw it to the side, saying it's crap just because it's not completely canon. This arc has some canon mixed into it, and I, for one, am loving every minute of it. Well, I guess I can't say every minute, because last week's episode was rather boring. (There was no Guren in it!)

Take it what you will, this is just my stance on things.


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shikawesomaru wrote:


lorddarkshade wrote:


shikawesomaru wrote:


morromod wrote:

"I get nothing and have to reach for the mouse, kinda annoying"

rofl wut?

And people, about the filler "adding to the story": When Asuma died, they really drilled it into our heads and milked it for everything it was worth. Flashbacks after flashbacks and flashbacks within flashbacks about flashbacks about playing shougi made my eyes BLEED. HES A MINOR CHARACTER! He shouldnt have full episodes let alone arcs that revolve around him. This arc is absolutely terrible. Its worse than the arc before the time skip. The only, ONLY good thing about this arc is that it has Hinata with a more than minimal role. Death to filler.


yeah and when
they barley did anything, they only showed him walking through a black space.


Wow thanks for using
You should be shot, not all of us are up to date on the manga. Thanks a lot ***hole.


sorry.
I don't know how to use spoiler tags

once again I'm ssssssssssssssssssooooooooooooooooo sorry

That still isn't enough to make me forgive you, you generally ruined plot for me that was major, and that can never be fixed. imo it is a major ****up on your part, and it severely angers me. By the way, to use Spoiler tags you type "[ spoiler ] spoiler here [ / spoiler ] (without the spaces) you can also highlight text and press the /!\ button on the top left of the message editor.

Example.

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lorddarkshade wrote:


shikawesomaru wrote:


lorddarkshade wrote:


shikawesomaru wrote:


morromod wrote:

"I get nothing and have to reach for the mouse, kinda annoying"

rofl wut?

And people, about the filler "adding to the story": When Asuma died, they really drilled it into our heads and milked it for everything it was worth. Flashbacks after flashbacks and flashbacks within flashbacks about flashbacks about playing shougi made my eyes BLEED. HES A MINOR CHARACTER! He shouldnt have full episodes let alone arcs that revolve around him. This arc is absolutely terrible. Its worse than the arc before the time skip. The only, ONLY good thing about this arc is that it has Hinata with a more than minimal role. Death to filler.


yeah and when
they barley did anything, they only showed him walking through a black space.


Wow thanks for using
You should be shot, not all of us are up to date on the manga. Thanks a lot ***hole.


sorry.
I don't know how to use spoiler tags

once again I'm ssssssssssssssssssooooooooooooooooo sorry

That still isn't enough to make me forgive you, you generally ruined plot for me that was major, and that can never be fixed. imo it is a major ****up on your part, and it severely angers me. By the way, to use Spoiler tags you type "[ spoiler ] spoiler here [ / spoiler ] (without the spaces) you can also highlight text and press the /!\ button on the top left of the message editor.

Example.

-Shade


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shikawesomaru, you fail in regards to not using the spoiler tags

lorddarkshade, it's not much of a spoiler, you should have long since figured out it was going to happen sooner or later, part of naruto growing up is standing on his own, which means his support has to go away

furthermore, shikawesomaru lied because it is actually unconfirmed, he's currently engaged in (i think it's been about 10 chapters now) a very drawn out Cliffhanger no Jutsu
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I've been reading some of the posts that seem to be whinning about another filler arc, well if Naruto didn't do fillers (same with any other anime series for that matter) the story would possibly go in a completely different direction like it did with Full Metal Alchemist. If you have read the manga and seen all of the anime you would have noticed quite a number of differences in the storyline and the way some of the characters acted.

As for Naruto and the fillers we see now, Lorilei is absolutely right, these fillers serve a purpose by giving more insight to characters other than Team 7 or even some of the more known Akatsuki members, plus it gives characters a little more screen time as well.
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I'm a bit confused, is episode 94 a filler or is the manga on fillers?
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I'm a bit confused, is episode 94 a filler or is the manga on fillers?


Episode 94 is a filler. The manga can't go on filler.

Filler really means "Something in an anime that didn't happen in the original manga canon--a storyline made to fill time, to give the manga a chance to get farther ahead." ^_^
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stuff55 wrote:

I'm a bit confused, is episode 94 a filler or is the manga on fillers?


Episode 94 is a filler. The manga can't go on filler.

Filler really means "Something in an anime that didn't happen in the original manga canon--a storyline made to fill time, to give the manga a chance to get farther ahead." ^_^


Reasons filler are bad in the anime Naruto:

1. Curry of Life- w/e the hell the name of that episode was, it nearly ruined the entire series for me. My god..there's not enough bad things i can say about this episode.

2. The long agonizing filler arc before the time skip- The antagonist with the armor and giant phallic dong-sword shooting out from his gut...WTF was up with that?

3. What they are doing now- Crystal Jutsu...? Really...? Whats next a ninja that rides a unicorn while simultaneously man-handling Pikachu? (it was dirtier before...i wussed out)

The one and only reason that filler has ever been the least bit entertaining in Naruto:

1. Hinata's shugohakke rokujyuu yonshou- If you dont know what im talking about, rewatch episode 151. This would have been awesome...except that she was defending against bees by rapidly moving her arms like a whacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man.

This scene also brings up another interesting point about filler (at least in the older episodes). The animation is completely sloppy. It almost looks like the animators are using 1/3 of the sprites when compared to the canon episodes. Every one they put out looks like a rough draft or rehearsal that they run through to see if theyre going to make any changes only to find out they dont give a rats ass and run with what theyve got. Admittedly, the quality has gone up with recent filler episodes but its still a polished turd.

Ive sat through every single one with tears in my eyes and can safely say that anyone who derives TOTAL ENJOYMENT from the fillers probably likes being beat in the face with an aluminum bat for 22 mins.
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morromod wrote:


UtahimeLorelei wrote:


stuff55 wrote:

I'm a bit confused, is episode 94 a filler or is the manga on fillers?


Episode 94 is a filler. The manga can't go on filler.

Filler really means "Something in an anime that didn't happen in the original manga canon--a storyline made to fill time, to give the manga a chance to get farther ahead." ^_^


Reasons filler are bad in the anime Naruto:

1. Curry of Life- w/e the hell the name of that episode was, it nearly ruined the entire series for me. My god..there's not enough bad things i can say about this episode.

2. The long agonizing filler arc before the time skip- The antagonist with the armor and giant phallic dong-sword shooting out from his gut...WTF was up with that?

3. What they are doing now- Crystal Jutsu...? Really...? Whats next a ninja that rides a unicorn while simultaneously man-handling Pikachu? (it was dirtier before...i wussed out)

The one and only reason that filler has ever been the least bit entertaining in Naruto:

1. Hinata's shugohakke rokujyuu yonshou- If you dont know what im talking about, rewatch episode 151. This would have been awesome...except that she was defending against bees by rapidly moving her arms like a whacky waving inflatable arm flailing tube man.

This scene also brings up another interesting point about filler (at least in the older episodes). The animation is completely sloppy. It almost looks like the animators are using 1/3 of the sprites when compared to the canon episodes. Every one they put out looks like a rough draft or rehearsal that they run through to see if theyre going to make any changes only to find out they dont give a rats ass and run with what theyve got. Admittedly, the quality has gone up with recent filler episodes but its still a polished turd.

Ive sat through every single one with tears in my eyes and can safely say that anyone who derives TOTAL ENJOYMENT from the fillers probably likes being beat in the face with an aluminum bat for 22 mins.


I have said on a good many occasions that I disliked the filler between Part 1 and Part 2. Yes, all of that was terrible--there were no good storylines to speak of, and honestly, they really should have gone on hiatus.

And people have a very good reason to be wary of any filler that Naruto puts out because of the afforementioned filler. I don't blame anyone for that.

I was simply giving the basic definition of what a filler was, not saying "Oh, I love every filler that's come out."

And people have different preferences. Just because I happen to like these fillers does not mean that you have to.

I know plenty of people who liked the last Bleach filler that had to do with Amagai Shuusuke. Hell, I know a Shuusuke cosplayer. I happened to dislike that filler a good bit. But, do I insult him because he likes that filler? No.

Again, this is the only filler I've actually enjoyed. I was surprised myself.

And of course filler's not going to have the same animation team. It never does. But, honestly, I could care less. I read the manga predominantly. So, I barely watch the anime, and when I do, I'm not giving really a mind to "How amazing the animation is". One of my favorite series is Gunbuster, and because Gainax blew the budget, the last episode's large space fight was really a bunch of manga screens, and the entire episode was done without color. Do I think that cut down on the overall quality of the series? No. Because I'm looking for enjoyment; and if I like it, it could be stick figures.

To some, I might be a masochist, but, I'm certainly fine with that.
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i hate fillers. this episodes wont connect to the manga. and i dont get why some characters in fillers are always stronger. gaaawd. and i agree the FLASHBACK things are so f*ckin retarded! and people if u dont like getting spoiled go read the manga!!
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i hate fillers. this episodes wont connect to the manga. and i dont get why some characters in fillers are always stronger. gaaawd. and i agree the FLASHBACK things are so f*ckin retarded! and people if u dont like getting spoiled go read the manga!!


If you hate the fillers, dear, then why not wait until their over? If you are watching them just to complain, you must be more of a masochist than people are trying to make those of us who are actually enjoying the fillers out to be.

I wouldn't watch something if I disliked it.

Also, you take it with a grain of salt--even parts of the Anime that are actually CANON will deviate from the manga in some ways. It always does---they are able to go more in depth, or add things in the Anime that they normally don't or can't in the manga--because in the manga, they have to keep it to 17-18 pages, give or take, most weeks, unless there is something special.

In the anime, they've got 23 minutes, roughly, to play with.

Here's an example of where Anime Canon deviates from Manga Canon--

Neji, in his fight against Kidoumaru of the Sound Four, uses the Hakke Hyaku Nijūhachi Shō in the Anime. In the manga, he used no such technique. So, in the anime, he possesses a technique that he does not possess in the manga.

But, who knows? They tied that awful "Rescue Matsuri" filler in with the manga---that whole filler arc was just to give a name and a backstory to a girl who appeared on pages 3-5 of Chapter 280, fangirling after Gaara.

And Guren's a lot better character than she ever was; at least in my opinion.
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