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DomFortress wrote:


holy_may wrote:

Your point is?

He needs to study about journalism, anime marketing, international copyright and licensing on anime, anime industry, and the history of anime subculture, before he can even come up something remotely intelligent and/or relevant regarding this article.

It's so utterly pathetic, that I'm taking over this topic as an act of mercy.

I've been reviewing this report put together by the Japan Fair Trade Commission regarding on the state of the domestic animation industry in Japan for quite some times now, but the report was in its original Japanese PDF format and makes translating a pain:
http://www.jftc.go.jp/pressrelease/09.january/090123.pdf(7 pages of outline)
http://www.jftc.go.jp/pressrelease/09.january/090123houkokusyo01.pdf(61 pages of part 1)
http://www.jftc.go.jp/pressrelease/09.january/090123houkokusyo02.pdf(don't even bother part 2)

The report was released by ANN in this news earlier this year:



Now, I've several points to make that all contributed to the pitiful state of anime industry that it's in:

1. Low production quality due to lack of originality and creativity on anime series based on existing works = anime no longer being made as intellectual artworks, but rather as animated advertisements.

2. Corporate ownership of anime production companies and studios by their parent Japanese publishing companies = anime creators can't make original animes even if they wanted to.

3. Subcontracting anime production fund from the corporate publishing companies that own the anime production companies and studios through advertising companies, Japanese TV stations, and finally to the anime production companies and studios owned by the corporate publishing companies = the corporate publishing companies get their money back, while the anime production companies and studios got paid next to nothing for their works.

And this is the final strike on the last nail that seals the coffin,

4. Unregulated release & distribution of illegal digital duplication of copyrighted & licensed anime on the internet in the form of illegitimate fansubs = global anime market saturation due to copyright infringing anime piracy by anime leeches throughout the world.

My congratulation to the internet fansub groups and their supporters all over the world: your meaningless competition among yourselves, arrogant refusal to the pleads made by the anime industry, selfish indulgence on cheap entertainments, and immoral double standard on your right to steal, had finally shown the rest of us anime fans just how utterly ignorant, immature, and shallow you all are. When you destroyed the last chance for the anime companies to reclaim their hopes, dreams, dignities, respects, and just about everything else that were stolen by anime piracy. The anime fans around the world are forever in your dept.[/heavy sarcasm]


Thank you Captain Exposition, for continuously providing the CR community with endless entertainment by displaying your ignorance, stupidity, and once again proving that you have no life. All this without asking for a penny in return. it makes one wonder what you do for a living.

Your first point is pretty irrelevant to the argument you are trying to make. You say new anime lacks creativity, you just don't know how to separate the good from the crap.

And just in case you haven't noticed. There is a GLOBAL economic crisis. You can call anime subculture, entertainment or w/e you want. But it is not a necessity of life. So why so surprised that they are going through a hard time?

And just in case you haven't been paying attention to the stock market or the news because you are too busy arguing with kids all over the world on the internet (your mom must be proud of you). I would like to remind you that motor vehicle industry is also going through a hard time, especially American brand names.

So i guess you just have to wake up and see the big picture, instead of always being a frog in a well (has a very narrow view of the world). Anime industry is struggling not mainly due to internet piracy. It is due to an economy where even Multi nation corporations like Gm and Chrysler, insurance company, and even banks are on the verge of closing down. And of course, the American licensing companies are still doing a crap ass job in dubing and marketing anime
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it's not like we didn't expect this to happen, anime is greatly affected with the recession everyone is facing so yeah just hope for the better
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DomFortress wrote:


holy_may wrote:

Your point is?

He needs to study about journalism, anime marketing, international copyright and licensing on anime, anime industry, and the history of anime subculture, before he can even come up something remotely intelligent and/or relevant regarding this article.

It's so utterly pathetic, that I'm taking over this topic as an act of mercy.

I've been reviewing this report put together by the Japan Fair Trade Commission regarding on the state of the domestic animation industry in Japan for quite some times now, but the report was in its original Japanese PDF format and makes translating a pain:
http://www.jftc.go.jp/pressrelease/09.january/090123.pdf(7 pages of outline)
http://www.jftc.go.jp/pressrelease/09.january/090123houkokusyo01.pdf(61 pages of part 1)
http://www.jftc.go.jp/pressrelease/09.january/090123houkokusyo02.pdf(don't even bother part 2)

The report was released by ANN in this news earlier this year:



Now, I've several points to make that all contributed to the pitiful state of anime industry that it's in:

1. Low production quality due to lack of originality and creativity on anime series based on existing works = anime no longer being made as intellectual artworks, but rather as animated advertisements.

2. Corporate ownership of anime production companies and studios by their parent Japanese publishing companies = anime creators can't make original animes even if they wanted to.

3. Subcontracting anime production fund from the corporate publishing companies that own the anime production companies and studios through advertising companies, Japanese TV stations, and finally to the anime production companies and studios owned by the corporate publishing companies = the corporate publishing companies get their money back, while the anime production companies and studios got paid next to nothing for their works.

And this is the final strike on the last nail that seals the coffin,

4. Unregulated release & distribution of illegal digital duplication of copyrighted & licensed anime on the internet in the form of illegitimate fansubs = global anime market saturation due to copyright infringing anime piracy by anime leeches throughout the world.

My congratulation to the internet fansub groups and their supporters all over the world: your meaningless competition among yourselves, arrogant refusal to the pleads made by the anime industry, selfish indulgence on cheap entertainments, and immoral double standard on your right to steal, had finally shown the rest of us anime fans just how utterly ignorant, immature, and shallow you all are. When you destroyed the last chance for the anime companies to reclaim their hopes, dreams, dignities, respects, and just about everything else that were stolen by anime piracy. The anime fans around the world are forever in your dept.[/heavy sarcasm]


Thank you Captain Exposition, for continuously providing the CR community with endless entertainment by displaying your ignorance, stupidity, and once again proving that you have no life. All this without asking for a penny in return. it makes one wonder what you do for a living.

Your first point is pretty irrelevant to the argument you are trying to make. You say new anime lacks creativity, you just don't know how to separate the good from the crap.

And just in case you haven't noticed. There is a GLOBAL economic crisis. You can call anime subculture, entertainment or w/e you want. But it is not a necessity of life. So why so surprised that they are going through a hard time?

And just in case you haven't been paying attention to the stock market or the news because you are too busy arguing with kids all over the world on the internet (your mom must be proud of you). I would like to remind you that motor vehicle industry is also going through a hard time, especially American brand names.

So i guess you just have to wake up and see the big picture, instead of always being a frog in a well (has a very narrow view of the world). Anime industry is struggling not mainly due to internet piracy. It is due to an economy where even Multi nation corporations like Gm and Chrysler, insurance company, and even banks are on the verge of closing down. And of course, the American licensing companies are still doing a crap ass job in dubing and marketing anime

So why the internet piracy on anime by those people who do it? I'm still buying authentic copyrighted & licensed anime DVD without even complaining, so why can't they? Do they need to steal anime just to survive? Do they need to steal from the industry just to sustain themselves? Do they need to steal from the anime creators just to help the economy? What is it!? WHAT? Since you seem to have all the answers like you claimed to be so much knowledgeable than I am, then let's hear it! Tell us why we can only see the animators suffer poorly, while fans of their works are just stealing from them?
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DomFortress wrote:


GoPlayGo wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


holy_may wrote:

Your point is?

He needs to study about journalism, anime marketing, international copyright and licensing on anime, anime industry, and the history of anime subculture, before he can even come up something remotely intelligent and/or relevant regarding this article.

It's so utterly pathetic, that I'm taking over this topic as an act of mercy.

I've been reviewing this report put together by the Japan Fair Trade Commission regarding on the state of the domestic animation industry in Japan for quite some times now, but the report was in its original Japanese PDF format and makes translating a pain:
http://www.jftc.go.jp/pressrelease/09.january/090123.pdf(7 pages of outline)
http://www.jftc.go.jp/pressrelease/09.january/090123houkokusyo01.pdf(61 pages of part 1)
http://www.jftc.go.jp/pressrelease/09.january/090123houkokusyo02.pdf(don't even bother part 2)

The report was released by ANN in this news earlier this year:



Now, I've several points to make that all contributed to the pitiful state of anime industry that it's in:

1. Low production quality due to lack of originality and creativity on anime series based on existing works = anime no longer being made as intellectual artworks, but rather as animated advertisements.

2. Corporate ownership of anime production companies and studios by their parent Japanese publishing companies = anime creators can't make original animes even if they wanted to.

3. Subcontracting anime production fund from the corporate publishing companies that own the anime production companies and studios through advertising companies, Japanese TV stations, and finally to the anime production companies and studios owned by the corporate publishing companies = the corporate publishing companies get their money back, while the anime production companies and studios got paid next to nothing for their works.

And this is the final strike on the last nail that seals the coffin,

4. Unregulated release & distribution of illegal digital duplication of copyrighted & licensed anime on the internet in the form of illegitimate fansubs = global anime market saturation due to copyright infringing anime piracy by anime leeches throughout the world.

My congratulation to the internet fansub groups and their supporters all over the world: your meaningless competition among yourselves, arrogant refusal to the pleads made by the anime industry, selfish indulgence on cheap entertainments, and immoral double standard on your right to steal, had finally shown the rest of us anime fans just how utterly ignorant, immature, and shallow you all are. When you destroyed the last chance for the anime companies to reclaim their hopes, dreams, dignities, respects, and just about everything else that were stolen by anime piracy. The anime fans around the world are forever in your dept.[/heavy sarcasm]


Thank you Captain Exposition, for continuously providing the CR community with endless entertainment by displaying your ignorance, stupidity, and once again proving that you have no life. All this without asking for a penny in return. it makes one wonder what you do for a living.

Your first point is pretty irrelevant to the argument you are trying to make. You say new anime lacks creativity, you just don't know how to separate the good from the crap.

And just in case you haven't noticed. There is a GLOBAL economic crisis. You can call anime subculture, entertainment or w/e you want. But it is not a necessity of life. So why so surprised that they are going through a hard time?

And just in case you haven't been paying attention to the stock market or the news because you are too busy arguing with kids all over the world on the internet (your mom must be proud of you). I would like to remind you that motor vehicle industry is also going through a hard time, especially American brand names.

So i guess you just have to wake up and see the big picture, instead of always being a frog in a well (has a very narrow view of the world). Anime industry is struggling not mainly due to internet piracy. It is due to an economy where even Multi nation corporations like Gm and Chrysler, insurance company, and even banks are on the verge of closing down. And of course, the American licensing companies are still doing a crap ass job in dubing and marketing anime

So why the internet piracy on anime by those people who do it? I'm still buying authentic copyrighted & licensed anime DVD without even complaining, so why can't they? Do they need to steal anime just to survive? Do they need to steal from the industry just to sustain themselves? Do they need to steal from the anime creators just to help the economy? What is it!? WHAT? Since you seem to have all the answers like you claimed to be so much knowledgeable than I am, then let's hear it! Tell us why we can only see the animators suffer poorly, while fans of their works are just stealing from them?


LMAO!!!! So you are saying just because you buy anime DVDs without complains others should do the same? When did u become the role model and the definition of right on the internet? Your logic and shamelessness fails.

All the questions you asked are not really the right questions. People dont need a reason to want to save time and money, especially when they get better quality from free sources than ones that costs money. Just remember, in a capitalist society, if you want money you need to know how to get it. So until the anime DVDs and laughable CR stream are at least close to the efficiency and quality of fansubs, piracy is inevitable.

But for now the real questions should be. Do they need to stop piracy to survive? Does stopping piracy ensures the industry can sustain themselves? Does stopping anime piracy help the economy?

There was a case in Hong Kong where a business man is sued for copyright infringement of dragon ball Z. He imported and sold a large amount of illegitimate DBZ cards. he was caught and went to court. But in the end he was released. you know why? Cus the original creator of DBZ Akira Toriyama didn't care enough to go to court for this. And this is probably not uncommon. So i guess even the original creators doesn't really care, who are u to say they are starving and needs help? You know true artists are not as shallow as you. Success is not only measured with money and profit. They might simply want their work to be widely available to those who may not be able to afford anime DVDs or cannot pay for them due to the area they live in
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Although Vincent van Gogh's painting worth is millions nowadays, he only receive little or no money from his works while he was still alive. Famous artwork is no different to anime, the anime studios receive little or no money from the first few years but it will bloom in the next few decades when those kids who watched those anime grows to adulthood and collect those anime to remind them of their sweet childhood memories.
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For those who r interested in reading the full article:
its on my group Anime Generation on the Anime News forum.
all it simply says is that they wont broadcast any more anime during Golden Time, which is similar to the U.S' Prime time, all anime is going to b aired before or after, so read things and don't panic, anime willl never die!
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Maou068 wrote:

Although Vincent van Gogh's painting worth is millions nowadays, he only receive little or no money from his works while he was still alive. Famous artwork is no different to anime, the anime studios receive little or no money from the first few years but it will bloom in the next few decades when those kids who watched those anime grows to adulthood and collect those anime to remind them of their sweet childhood memories.


yeah what Maou said!
Posted 1/29/09

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For those who r interested in reading the full article:
its on my group Anime Generation on the Anime News forum.
all it simply says is that they wont broadcast any more anime during Golden Time, which is similar to the U.S' Prime time, all anime is going to b aired before or after, so read things and don't panic, anime willl never die!

They're cutting back on the production cost by abandoning the prime time TV time slots. So even now they're lowering the overall production quality by reducing the production cost, that's on top of the lack of creativity and originality. If this trend continues, soon they won't even bother to air them on TV period.
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Im finding this topic laughable for many reasons.

1. Fansubbing has been around for years, and most fansub groups respect the license when the anime is licensed in the US
2. Im hearing alot of complaints about anime companies suffering, and the poor artists forced to work slave labor for next to nothing. They do it because they like to, and its what they wanted to do with there lives. Companies have been paying there employees as little as possible and hording the profits for years. So why is this new?
3. The reason no one buys the licensed DVD's is because well... The subtitles are awful and the voice overs are an insult to true anime fans the world over. If they actually cared about a profit they would make the quality of the product they put out better. Instead of slapping ugly yellow text translated by a monkey who cant seem to translate for crap, and totally bypassing the rehearsal system for parts and just going with "i like him he looks like hed sound good."
4. Last but not least. If youve so much room to complain about the state of the anime industry and how were all nothing but a group of common thieves. Why are you on a website that originally hosted FANSUBS. It may now be associated with anime companies in Japan, but thats a fairly recent change. You are a hypocrite for slandering anime fans for wanted to watch good quality episodes. When you know just as well as the rest of us that youve watched free fansubs just like the rest of us. So. Get over yourself you ignorant, self-righteous dipshit, and move on with your life.
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DomFortress wrote:


yaidoll wrote:

For those who r interested in reading the full article:
its on my group Anime Generation on the Anime News forum.
all it simply says is that they wont broadcast any more anime during Golden Time, which is similar to the U.S' Prime time, all anime is going to b aired before or after, so read things and don't panic, anime willl never die!

They're cutting back on the production cost by abandoning the prime time TV time slots. So even now they're lowering the overall production quality by reducing the production cost, that's on top of the lack of creativity and originality. If this trend continues, soon they won't even bother to air them on TV period.


Well, that in part tis true, but most to blame r the sucky anime for the fall 08, if its not popular... its not worth having it air on such times.
As much as anime dying soon, that wont happen for a long time, it will have its ups and down like it has had in the past, but with the goverment's support... I don't see it happening soon.
Posted 1/29/09

GoPlayGo wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


GoPlayGo wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


holy_may wrote:

Your point is?

He needs to study about journalism, anime marketing, international copyright and licensing on anime, anime industry, and the history of anime subculture, before he can even come up something remotely intelligent and/or relevant regarding this article.

It's so utterly pathetic, that I'm taking over this topic as an act of mercy.

I've been reviewing this report put together by the Japan Fair Trade Commission regarding on the state of the domestic animation industry in Japan for quite some times now, but the report was in its original Japanese PDF format and makes translating a pain:
http://www.jftc.go.jp/pressrelease/09.january/090123.pdf(7 pages of outline)
http://www.jftc.go.jp/pressrelease/09.january/090123houkokusyo01.pdf(61 pages of part 1)
http://www.jftc.go.jp/pressrelease/09.january/090123houkokusyo02.pdf(don't even bother part 2)

The report was released by ANN in this news earlier this year:



Now, I've several points to make that all contributed to the pitiful state of anime industry that it's in:

1. Low production quality due to lack of originality and creativity on anime series based on existing works = anime no longer being made as intellectual artworks, but rather as animated advertisements.

2. Corporate ownership of anime production companies and studios by their parent Japanese publishing companies = anime creators can't make original animes even if they wanted to.

3. Subcontracting anime production fund from the corporate publishing companies that own the anime production companies and studios through advertising companies, Japanese TV stations, and finally to the anime production companies and studios owned by the corporate publishing companies = the corporate publishing companies get their money back, while the anime production companies and studios got paid next to nothing for their works.

And this is the final strike on the last nail that seals the coffin,

4. Unregulated release & distribution of illegal digital duplication of copyrighted & licensed anime on the internet in the form of illegitimate fansubs = global anime market saturation due to copyright infringing anime piracy by anime leeches throughout the world.

My congratulation to the internet fansub groups and their supporters all over the world: your meaningless competition among yourselves, arrogant refusal to the pleads made by the anime industry, selfish indulgence on cheap entertainments, and immoral double standard on your right to steal, had finally shown the rest of us anime fans just how utterly ignorant, immature, and shallow you all are. When you destroyed the last chance for the anime companies to reclaim their hopes, dreams, dignities, respects, and just about everything else that were stolen by anime piracy. The anime fans around the world are forever in your dept.[/heavy sarcasm]


Thank you Captain Exposition, for continuously providing the CR community with endless entertainment by displaying your ignorance, stupidity, and once again proving that you have no life. All this without asking for a penny in return. it makes one wonder what you do for a living.

Your first point is pretty irrelevant to the argument you are trying to make. You say new anime lacks creativity, you just don't know how to separate the good from the crap.

And just in case you haven't noticed. There is a GLOBAL economic crisis. You can call anime subculture, entertainment or w/e you want. But it is not a necessity of life. So why so surprised that they are going through a hard time?

And just in case you haven't been paying attention to the stock market or the news because you are too busy arguing with kids all over the world on the internet (your mom must be proud of you). I would like to remind you that motor vehicle industry is also going through a hard time, especially American brand names.

So i guess you just have to wake up and see the big picture, instead of always being a frog in a well (has a very narrow view of the world). Anime industry is struggling not mainly due to internet piracy. It is due to an economy where even Multi nation corporations like Gm and Chrysler, insurance company, and even banks are on the verge of closing down. And of course, the American licensing companies are still doing a crap ass job in dubing and marketing anime

So why the internet piracy on anime by those people who do it? I'm still buying authentic copyrighted & licensed anime DVD without even complaining, so why can't they? Do they need to steal anime just to survive? Do they need to steal from the industry just to sustain themselves? Do they need to steal from the anime creators just to help the economy? What is it!? WHAT? Since you seem to have all the answers like you claimed to be so much knowledgeable than I am, then let's hear it! Tell us why we can only see the animators suffer poorly, while fans of their works are just stealing from them?


LMAO!!!! So you are saying just because you buy anime DVDs without complains others should do the same? When did u become the role model and the definition of right on the internet? Your logic and shamelessness fails.

All the questions you asked are not really the right questions. People dont need a reason to want to save time and money, especially when they get better quality from free sources than ones that costs money. Just remember, in a capitalist society, if you want money you need to know how to get it. So until the anime DVDs and laughable CR stream are at least close to the efficiency and quality of fansubs, piracy is inevitable.

But for now the real questions should be. Do they need to stop piracy to survive? Does stopping piracy ensures the industry can sustain themselves? Does stopping anime piracy help the economy?

There was a case in Hong Kong where a business man is sued for copyright infringement of dragon ball Z. He imported and sold a large amount of illegitimate DBZ cards. he was caught and went to court. But in the end he was released. you know why? Cus the original creator of DBZ Akira Toriyama didn't care enough to go to court for this. And this is probably not uncommon. So i guess even the original creators doesn't really care, who are u to say they are starving and needs help? You know true artists are not as shallow as you. Success is not only measured with money and profit. They might simply want their work to be widely available to those who may not be able to afford anime DVDs or cannot pay for them due to the area they live in

Then why don't you use that standard on yourself, and see just how you like your intellectual work being stolen by those who won't pay you for it? No matter how you don't like official licensing anime companies, they paid for those anime licenses to support the anime creators, so what did the internet fansub groups do besides stealing from the industry?

And before you speak poorly about international licensing companies, remember that you are on an open forum hosted by an internet anime licensing company, so think twice before you bite the hands that feed you. Otherwise you're nothing but an ungrateful hypocrite.
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DomFortress wrote:


GoPlayGo wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


GoPlayGo wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


holy_may wrote:

Your point is?

He needs to study about journalism, anime marketing, international copyright and licensing on anime, anime industry, and the history of anime subculture, before he can even come up something remotely intelligent and/or relevant regarding this article.

It's so utterly pathetic, that I'm taking over this topic as an act of mercy.

I've been reviewing this report put together by the Japan Fair Trade Commission regarding on the state of the domestic animation industry in Japan for quite some times now, but the report was in its original Japanese PDF format and makes translating a pain:
http://www.jftc.go.jp/pressrelease/09.january/090123.pdf(7 pages of outline)
http://www.jftc.go.jp/pressrelease/09.january/090123houkokusyo01.pdf(61 pages of part 1)
http://www.jftc.go.jp/pressrelease/09.january/090123houkokusyo02.pdf(don't even bother part 2)

The report was released by ANN in this news earlier this year:



Now, I've several points to make that all contributed to the pitiful state of anime industry that it's in:

1. Low production quality due to lack of originality and creativity on anime series based on existing works = anime no longer being made as intellectual artworks, but rather as animated advertisements.

2. Corporate ownership of anime production companies and studios by their parent Japanese publishing companies = anime creators can't make original animes even if they wanted to.

3. Subcontracting anime production fund from the corporate publishing companies that own the anime production companies and studios through advertising companies, Japanese TV stations, and finally to the anime production companies and studios owned by the corporate publishing companies = the corporate publishing companies get their money back, while the anime production companies and studios got paid next to nothing for their works.

And this is the final strike on the last nail that seals the coffin,

4. Unregulated release & distribution of illegal digital duplication of copyrighted & licensed anime on the internet in the form of illegitimate fansubs = global anime market saturation due to copyright infringing anime piracy by anime leeches throughout the world.

My congratulation to the internet fansub groups and their supporters all over the world: your meaningless competition among yourselves, arrogant refusal to the pleads made by the anime industry, selfish indulgence on cheap entertainments, and immoral double standard on your right to steal, had finally shown the rest of us anime fans just how utterly ignorant, immature, and shallow you all are. When you destroyed the last chance for the anime companies to reclaim their hopes, dreams, dignities, respects, and just about everything else that were stolen by anime piracy. The anime fans around the world are forever in your dept.[/heavy sarcasm]


Thank you Captain Exposition, for continuously providing the CR community with endless entertainment by displaying your ignorance, stupidity, and once again proving that you have no life. All this without asking for a penny in return. it makes one wonder what you do for a living.

Your first point is pretty irrelevant to the argument you are trying to make. You say new anime lacks creativity, you just don't know how to separate the good from the crap.

And just in case you haven't noticed. There is a GLOBAL economic crisis. You can call anime subculture, entertainment or w/e you want. But it is not a necessity of life. So why so surprised that they are going through a hard time?

And just in case you haven't been paying attention to the stock market or the news because you are too busy arguing with kids all over the world on the internet (your mom must be proud of you). I would like to remind you that motor vehicle industry is also going through a hard time, especially American brand names.

So i guess you just have to wake up and see the big picture, instead of always being a frog in a well (has a very narrow view of the world). Anime industry is struggling not mainly due to internet piracy. It is due to an economy where even Multi nation corporations like Gm and Chrysler, insurance company, and even banks are on the verge of closing down. And of course, the American licensing companies are still doing a crap ass job in dubing and marketing anime

So why the internet piracy on anime by those people who do it? I'm still buying authentic copyrighted & licensed anime DVD without even complaining, so why can't they? Do they need to steal anime just to survive? Do they need to steal from the industry just to sustain themselves? Do they need to steal from the anime creators just to help the economy? What is it!? WHAT? Since you seem to have all the answers like you claimed to be so much knowledgeable than I am, then let's hear it! Tell us why we can only see the animators suffer poorly, while fans of their works are just stealing from them?


LMAO!!!! So you are saying just because you buy anime DVDs without complains others should do the same? When did u become the role model and the definition of right on the internet? Your logic and shamelessness fails.

All the questions you asked are not really the right questions. People dont need a reason to want to save time and money, especially when they get better quality from free sources than ones that costs money. Just remember, in a capitalist society, if you want money you need to know how to get it. So until the anime DVDs and laughable CR stream are at least close to the efficiency and quality of fansubs, piracy is inevitable.

But for now the real questions should be. Do they need to stop piracy to survive? Does stopping piracy ensures the industry can sustain themselves? Does stopping anime piracy help the economy?

There was a case in Hong Kong where a business man is sued for copyright infringement of dragon ball Z. He imported and sold a large amount of illegitimate DBZ cards. he was caught and went to court. But in the end he was released. you know why? Cus the original creator of DBZ Akira Toriyama didn't care enough to go to court for this. And this is probably not uncommon. So i guess even the original creators doesn't really care, who are u to say they are starving and needs help? You know true artists are not as shallow as you. Success is not only measured with money and profit. They might simply want their work to be widely available to those who may not be able to afford anime DVDs or cannot pay for them due to the area they live in

Then why don't you use that standard on yourself, and see just how you like your intellectual work being stolen by those who won't pay you for it? No matter how you don't like official licensing anime companies, they paid for those anime licenses to support the anime creators, so what did the internet fansub groups do besides stealing from the industry?

And before you speak poorly about international licensing companies, remember that you are on an open forum hosted by an internet anime licensing company, so think twice before you bite the hands that feed you. Otherwise you're nothing but an ungrateful hypocrite.


st i am not an artist. Secondly, i wont mind at all. Because i wont really think they are STEALING from me. If i created something good, enjoyable, and can make some1's day better by just that much i wouldn't mind sharing with the world. Do we all need to live in more than 1 house? Do we need more than 1 car? Do we need to eat more than we need to? Not every1 is as money and power hungry as u might think.

BTW series like Seto no Hanayome and RomeoXJuliet were licensed by Funimation ages ago. But no no DVD release to date.

And once again, you think every1 is as close minded and anal as you are. Advancements and improvements comes from criticism. People like you who cant stand being wrong will always fail.

And i find it ironic that you called me a hypocrite. would you kindly point out what part of my statements you find hypocritical?
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I can't believe people are still arguing over these things. Read pictures, cool down, and then come up with a solution to your problems without having your rage get in the way.

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i'll read this later
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