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Posted 2/4/09

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DomFortress wrote:
That's also not counting on the English localization process on domestic Japanese medias, which comes as a standard on all international licensed North American anime medias.


I'd love to know the reason why licensors don't do a trial, and produce a few thousand DVDs without the dub track and with a cheaper price tag for the popular titles, starting with ones which have profited more than the license was worth already.

Success = produce two versions of volumes.
Failure = don't.
Continuous success = make dubs the less prominent version.

If I ever got around to paying for Bleach, I sure as heck wouldn't want to pay for dubbing I'd never want. Of course, this might prove a success with the less casual anime fans, and the profits made (which I doubt would be much anyway) from forcing dub tracks onto people like me would wither away.

I had a thread topic regarding subtitles, voice dubbing, and how they're one and the same being the fact that both are localization process: http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-434654/Subtitling-Voice-Dubbing-They-Are-All-The-Same-For-Localizing.html?src=trail

During the discussion, I defined that "the bottom line for localization on licensed anime that's aimed to entertain a wide range of local audiences alike, is by delivering the story itself to the local audiences faithfully and truthfully" And "as long as anime still remain as but a subculture, a more accommodating English voice dubbing is need, IMO."

Let's take a step further and consider what the target audiences would be for a localization process that consist of only subtitles; they're 1)a minority of hardcore anime fans who had experiences with the anime subculture, 2)a minority of closed-minded individuals who don't appreciate their own local culture & language, and 3)a minority that don't appreciate localization as a profession. None of them fits the profile for the majority that's "a wide range of local audiences", therefore I believe it's a poor compromise made by the licensing company like Bandai Visual, when they released sub only version of anime series like GunBuster, GunBuster 2, Gunbuster vs Diebuster Aim for the Top! The GATTAI!! Movie,
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Posted 2/4/09 , edited 2/4/09

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you guys going to do anything about those guys that are riping the episodes and subs from this site. What dicks, the have the chance to pay and support the creators of these great animes plus get subs the day of japanese release, and they fucking steal the shit while ppl are trying to move the system forward. which would give use more anime subs and same day high quality releases. morons hindering what can be.

yes CR hosted illegal subs, cause that was the only way to do it. now there's a way to do it legal so support it.

Region block is a problem and the more Members there are (especially from a block region) the easier it would be for CR to get the "ok" to stream there.


well once the new player works again then the problem will be solved well i think, theres also another way they could do it but i doubt they can figure it out and the quality would suck so i don't think it would be much of a problem once the new player is fixed. cuz we been using the other new player before january 8th cuz of the problems we had.

... i think
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Posted 2/4/09
Well this is going to happen whether you like it or not. It's up to the CR team to at least slow down these kinds of people.
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Posted 2/4/09
It's part of the world conspiracy to get rid of fansubbed animes. It's like saying if you don't have the money to watch anime, then don't watch at all.
Posted 2/4/09

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It's part of the world conspiracy to get rid of fansubbed animes. It's like saying if you don't have the money to watch anime, then don't watch at all.

And what's wrong with that? As oppose to just stealing anime without contributing back to the people who made them and while disrespecting their pleads, that's not call helping the economy, but rather that's subjecting the anime industry to slavery for selfish gain.


source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slavery

slavery

1: drudgery , toil
2: submission to a dominating influence
3 a: the state of a person who is a chattel of another b: the practice of slaveholding
Posted 2/4/09 , edited 2/4/09
I love the english language, and there are quite a few decent dubbed series out there.
But many scenes in Bleach (like the first episode, where Ichigo is stabbed through the chest), Black Lagoon (particularly Rock's outburst and subsequent fight with Revy) and NG: Evangelion (Michael Ross in EoE, dot dot dot) just didn't stir any of my emotions while watching it dubbed.

Even though I'd watched the former two series dubbed first , way before getting into watching a lot of anime.



If all the companies sold each episode for $3 via digital distribution, to keep forever, at or above DVD quality, I'd probably pay for more Anime.
Posted 2/5/09

ranmachua wrote:

It's part of the world conspiracy to get rid of fansubbed animes. It's like saying if you don't have the money to watch anime, then don't watch at all.


heh luckily this "world conspiracy" only revolves around CR, as other anime companies know what fansubbers do.
Posted 2/5/09

MisterH wrote:

I love the english language, and there are quite a few decent dubbed series out there.
But many scenes in Bleach (like the first episode, where Ichigo is stabbed through the chest), Black Lagoon (particularly Rock's outburst and subsequent fight with Revy) and NG: Evangelion (Michael Ross in EoE, dot dot dot) just didn't stir any of my emotions while watching it dubbed.

Even though I'd watched the former two series dubbed first , way before getting into watching a lot of anime.



If all the companies sold each episode for $3 via digital distribution, to keep forever, at or above DVD quality, I'd probably pay for more Anime.

I also agree that there are by comparison far more anime series with good English voice dubbing than there are bad ones, but the problem is that they aren't being praised enough by the fans who support them, while far too many negative comments are being said by those with bias opinions alone. This isn't helping the anime industry, nor promoting anime subculture to a wider audiences.

Online distribution of legit anime series with great quality is of course a great way to make anime available worldwide, that is of course if there are easier methods of payment for younger audiences, which are the target audiences that most anime series today are aiming at. Furthermore, the illegal video ripping off the official release source like CR is only discouraging the anime industry from online distribution.
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Posted 2/6/09

DomFortress wrote:

Where's your proofs to back up your statement? What's the rational reasoning that you can show us that your opinions are actually based on fact, and not just some bias skepticism that you're misleading your audiences with your pessimistic attitude?


"Pessimistic attitude"?

Where did you get that from. I´m just saying how it is. And i would really like to see your proof on the opposite of what i said.


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If the internet fansub groups are only doing both the fans and the industry a service by using illegitimate fansubs as a form of preview, or so you claimed, then why they do so while disrespecting the anime creators consents by violating their rights on copyrighted & licensed intellectual properties?


Ummmmm, that´s really hard to answer sine your question doesn't make any sense...



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Furthermore, they altered the contents of anime by adding subtitles that weren't there in the first place


Do you really think people would watch it if it didnt have any subs?

I would never watch a french movie for example if i couldn't understand what they said. It´s the same with Anime, if they cant understand what´s going on people won´t watch it either.


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while did a terrible job at localization due to improper use of the English language,


Sorry, but fansubs is far better and accurate than any official subs i have ever seen, and they also the japanese words when they fit better than the translated one.

They also gives notes on what things mean under the episodes so it´s easier to understand the pun or significants to the word/sentence used.

Rizelmine is a good example, in the fansubs they used the word Danna-sama instead of translate it, and that worked out perfectly when they also gave a notice on what it meant. I really don´t know if it was the official subs, or another sub-group, but they translated it over to "my husband".

So tell me, what fits more in those situations?


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and released not just a few episodes, but instead the entire series while only displaying their internet handles in flashy text, they never bothered to subtitle the names of those animators at the credits, but only crediting themselves.


And i´m so sure that everyone is like you and sit there like obedient dogs and watch the credits.....

I for one sake have never seen the credits on anything i own. when i episode is finished i don´t sit there and wait till the credits are finished, i go straight to the next episode, the same with OVA´s and movies, i just stop after it´s finished.

I would believe that most people are like me.


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Now is that what they meant by helping us, or just themselves because they felt entitled of elevating their "Robin Hood" status among themselves like some sort of silly competition using stolen goods, even though they were suppose to be fans like us, and should be supporting the anime industry and not steal from them?


And how is releasing subbed Anime helping themself?

All the groups i have ever used have never earned anything but thanks for the works they do, they use their own free time without any pay to give people what they want.

And what "competition"?

I have never seen any groups start to fight each other before, only the opposite, i have seen many groups actually work together on subbing Anime.

They are fans like us, maybe even bigger fans since they actually use their own free time to give people who can´t see or get Anime what they want.

And they is supporting the Anime industry by making new fans with their work, many who will start to buy the shows they like.


DomFortress wrote:

So what's your reasoning for us anime fans, who support the anime industry with our contributions, to listen to the words of those who are ignorant to the dire pleads of the industry


When did i ever say that you should listen to them?

I only said that sunflower33´s suggestion was pointless since people who look at fansubs would only ignore people like him who wants to treat them badly because they look at fansubs.


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and are powerless to even stop on their own not because they can't, but just because they don't care?


What proof do you have that they are powerless to stop?

And who said that they don´t care, most of them will buy the DVD´s when they are released.


DomFortress wrote:

We of the anime fans who have the power to support the anime industry all share the same voice, their pleads are also our pleads, so why should the internet fansub groups ignore our voice, even though they claimed to be doing what they do "by fans for fans"? Aren't we all the same fans of anime subculture? And if not, then just what are they?


We are all fans of Anime, and just like you like to contribute by buying and nag about how everyone should buy Anime and how evil fansubs are they contribute with their own way by subbing Anime on their free time to give people who can´t buy Anime what they want.

This also gives people who have never seen Anime before a opportunity to see what Anime is and if they like it. Meaning that they recruit more fans to the Anime genre than any other method the companies have used.


DomFortress wrote:

Now do tell, do you know why the reason behind the region locking, thus not making the argument only one-sided? If you can't, then allow me to give you a hand: http://www.crunchyroll.com/forumtopic-431867/An-In-Depth-Explanation-Solution-On-Regional-Limitation.html?src=topbar


And i counter with this:

We are also going back to our partners to try to get distribution rights in more countries.

Meaning that your link is useless because it won´t mean anything if the companies themself don´t want to do anything about it.


DomFortress wrote:

What I meant is a lack of interest from potential anime production sponsors like toys, music, and even game industry. By not broadcasting anime during the prime time schedules, these sponsors won't be able to appeal to their target audiences of special interest with the anime series that they endorsed. This will only trigger a vicious negative cycle, where the end result will be the death of Japanese anime production and studios as we know it.


By using the internet as a medium instead of just TV they can make up for what they lose with the sponsors.

Making a site where they allow all countries to subscribe and watch, and then putting up a translated version of the Anime the day after will give them a good income.

Then you make it available for download for a small price after each episode and a link to buy the DVD´s when they are released.

They would probably increase their sales this way.
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The people that do this r not real anime fans they r just pricks I have bought a years subscription to this site and I love it SO MUCH that I will probably pay for the rest of my life THANK YOU CRUNCHYROLL for feeding my addiction with all ur awesome anime series!!!!!!
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Posted 2/7/09
I don't know why this thread is still alive with all this arguments...no one is going anywhere with this, its not a debate class. Just freaking live your life the way you want; you're not going to die if CR shut down or if they control all the licensed animes.
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Posted 2/8/09

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The people that do this r not real anime fans they r just pricks I have bought a years subscription to this site and I love it SO MUCH that I will probably pay for the rest of my life THANK YOU CRUNCHYROLL for feeding my addiction with all ur awesome anime series!!!!!!


1) Not everyone is rich enough to pay that kind of money.

2) Most users on CR are underage and have no means to pay for a subscription.

3) Most users doesn't have the luxury of being able to see all Anime on CR because of the Region Lock.

Take all that into account and you will hopefully understand why most people actually are grateful for having people like them around.
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Posted 2/8/09
oohhh what the fuck..... its a DomFortress infested thread again......
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Posted 2/8/09

kamaat wrote:

you guys going to do anything about those guys that are riping the episodes and subs from this site. What dicks, the have the chance to pay and support the creators of these great animes plus get subs the day of japanese release, and they fucking steal the shit while ppl are trying to move the system forward. which would give use more anime subs and same day high quality releases. morons hindering what can be.

yes CR hosted illegal subs, cause that was the only way to do it. now there's a way to do it legal so support it.

Region block is a problem and the more Members there are (especially from a block region) the easier it would be for CR to get the "ok" to stream there.


Right, so what you gonna do about it? youve taken your speech and point, now its time for you to take action right?
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Posted 2/8/09
there's nothing we can do.. tat's just sad...............
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