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Posted 2/2/09 , edited 2/2/09
Kirby said it earlier that pretty much Old School is irreplaceable and I agree 100%. New School will never be as good as old school, but what can we do. Today/New School/Our Generation/whatever the hell you want to call it majority of it sucks or is ok @ best. IMO I think there are still some good artists keeping it together.
And this is in no particular order and I'm referring to new school: Jay Z, Nas, Jin (freestyles), T.I., Kanye West (starting to get sick of his arrogance and 808's and Heartbreaks was wack), The Game, Eminem.
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I used to be a huge Kanye West, but lately just his shit is getting old. I was really disappointed in his most recent album with 808's and Heartbreaks. I mean come on now doing the whole thing with that robotic auto tune or whatever it is was wack. If it was a couple tracks it'd be alright, but the whole CD? Come on now Kanye.
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Lets take look @ Jin. The first Asian hip hop artist to go main stream. His music is different and I love it. Doesn't rap much about guns, sex, violence, drugs which is a huge different pitch compared to what you see most artists do. Doesn't have the greatest beats, but his lyrics are really good. Listen to his lyrics it completely different, but not many people are into that type of stuff.
Freestyles. Holy shit this guy is crazy. He kills everybody. The funny thing is that he always gets hit with the race card, but the dude comes back harder. Many of us have seen his battle against Serious Jones, and SJ ended up winning which was bull shit and pretty much just race jokes. Jin had some good punches, but nothing spectacular from what I can remember, but he kept the flow going.
Well theres so much we can talk about so lets get it crackin'!
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Jin vs Serious Jones. Unfair bout because the crowd was mostly African-American and if he just dropped ONE WRONG WORD OR LINE, his career would've been for nothing and would have a "Racist!" sticker on his forehead forever. Jin vs Iron Solomon. Freestyle vs Prewritten. Jin deserved the W although I'm very curious about Iron Solomon's potential as a lyricist.

Switching topics, I never actually liked Kanye except for "Jesus Walks". He got into the whole Transformers voice in every song just because of Daft Punk (bets?). As a producer, he's alright but as a lyricist/rapper/whatever, he sucks. Period. Jay-Z, #1 on MTV's Greatest MC's of All-Time, is not good nor close to good anymore. Back then, he had great inspiration to rap (I mean come on.. it was the fuckin' 90s with amazing ass rappers) and I could tell he'd be jockin' their flows and shit. I don't mind it but when you take credit for their work, that's another thing. I have nothing against Jay-Z personally except he just sucks huge donkey balls now. Nas, one of the better new school rappers is good but I've said this quite a few times but I personally think he's not ready to rap as if he's gonna change rap history. He has it but it's like a fruit that's not ripe or a bitch that's about to grow titties. You know what I'm sayin'? T.I's lyrics are weak and the foundation could crumble like the World Trade Center, in 11 seconds flat. The Game, I thought, was alright to a certain point. Some of his slightly older works were ok/good (Dreams, Hate It or Love It). I don't have a lot to say about him. Eminem, the game changer, is probably one of the best rappers in rap history. I put him around top 3-6 on my list (right after 2pac and Notorious B.I.G). As if you don't bug out from his punchlines and eccentric personality/emotions he puts into his lyrics, his lyrics also have a deeper meaning sometimes. And once you figure it out, you just smile and say "Oh shit!" or "Damnnnnnn sonnnn". To me, he deserves to be on top 10 easily because of the life he had. The way he described it in his music was.. what's the words I'm lookin' for? Simply sick. As if he wasn't someone in the underground freestyle game, he came up into mainstream and took the rap game to a new level. Of course 2pac, B.I.G, Big L, Cassidy, Jin, Immortal Technique, etc. contributed too but his increasing popularity made others hear rap on a different level. And at one point, I believe he controlled the rap game from around.. '98 or sometime around there to around '03 maybe '04. I saw such crazy talent that I got into rapping myself. I could keep on talking but I'd rather read another person's words.
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As for SJ I also think he admitted to prewritting but I can't remember off the top of my head.
Holy shit. I could I forget about this artist. LUPE FIASCO! IMO probably the most underrated rapper right now. Guy has mad lyrics and its sad to see LUPEND to be his final album. Hope he changes his mind. His style of rap and lyrics is different from anyone else.
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I've listened to several of Lupe's songs. Beats and vocal are good and all but I haven't heard his lyrics stand out yet. Give me some song titles? I have 1 of his albums and it was alright to good but I haven't heard his originality yet.
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ok songs by Lupe Real, off of Food and Liquor, High Definition, He Say She Say

songs from The Cool Gold Watch, Paris; Tokyo, Streets on Fire

thats all i can remember, gotta look in mii iPod to find more that r good by him
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Man I've gotta say that I love old school. Slick Rick is probably the person who I will most often refer to as "my "favorite rapper". And Eric B. & Rakim are definitely the sickest team ever. But I love all music and although new school wouldn't exist without old school, I don't think it's really all that fair to compare them to each other. Everything has it's own appeal and to to compare music on any level other than "good" and "bad" doesn't make sense to me. Today's new school will be tomorrow's old school so to each his own haha. I honestly used to be such a faggot for underground and indie music though, I'm not even gonna lie. But then I realized that there's always going to be "good" and "bad" music under any label or genre so I decided it's pointless to pick a favorite and decided to just listen to all "good" music =P.
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Lupe Fiasco is a underrated rapper. Just listen to any of his songs. I think they are all good.
High Definition was on The Cool, not Food and Liquor.
Good songs that I would consider from Food and Liquor are: Kick Push, I Gotcha, He Say She Say, Daydreamin, Sunshine, Hurt Me Soul.
As for The Cool I thought every track on that was good but here's some to listen to: Go Go Gadget Flow, The Coolest, Superstar, Paris Tokyo, Hi-Definition, Hip Hop Saved My Life, Intruder Alert, Go Baby, Gold Watch.....Pretty much the whole album is good.
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Lupe aint underrated anymore... its just some ppl dont like him cuz all they listen too is bullshit radio... Lupe got mad respect world wide since he dropped the cool
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i just noticed the only person mentioning old school rappers is helasick....


which brings me to ponder.......

How old is old school???

we are in the 3rd generation of hip hop now.... to some of these kids nowadays... Dr. Dre, 2pac, Biggie, even Nas are old school rappers.... just look at the souljaboy / ice-T thing...


Any thoughts???? opinions????
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Posted 2/8/09

crasyjak wrote:

i just noticed the only person mentioning old school rappers is helasick....


which brings me to ponder.......

How old is old school???

we are in the 3rd generation of hip hop now.... to some of these kids nowadays... Dr. Dre, 2pac, Biggie, even Nas are old school rappers.... just look at the souljaboy / ice-T thing...


Any thoughts???? opinions????



KRS-One has brought this up once when he and Soulja Boy were interviewed on BET one time. The scale goes like this.........

1st generation: KRS-One, Cannibus, LL Cool J, Big Daddy Kane, Kool Moe Dee, Grandmaster Flash, Fab Five Freddy, Eric B. & Rakim, Beastie Boys, Sugarhill Gang, etc.

2nd generation (that generation I'm a part of...and most of the people on this site): N.W.A., Dr. Dre, Snoop Dogg*, Tupac, Notorious BIG, Jay Z*, Big L, Nas, DMX, Common, De La Soul, A Tribe Called Quest, Fabolous*, Ja Rule*, 50 Cent*, Diddy, Mase, Busta Rhymes, Black Rob, Ludacris*, Method Man, EPMD, etc.

3rd generation (these punkass kids' fucked up generation): Lil Jon, Dem Franchise Boyz, Webbie, Hurricane Chris, Soulja Boy, D4L, Shawty Lo, Lil Wayne*, T.I., Yung Joc, Mike Jones, Mims, Maino, Young Jeezy, Ron Browz, etc.

*artists that are relevant in both 2nd and 3rd generations

That's basically the landscape of hip hop for the past 20-30 years........notice how the quality of hip hop music made a dramatic drop between the 2nd and 3rd generations. It's amazing though. from generation 1 to 2 the quality of hip hop music got better........but then it str8 up sucked ass when we ended up to this generation. I would like to know how that fucked up changing trend occured, and I would like to know from a motherfucker from this generation that listens to that shit.
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I agree with big J on most of his points. As for the infamous "what the fuck happened?" question, I can only think of one thing: idol. Back then, a lotta people had idols; even idols. But now people think that they're "up there"; the highest level; too good for the rest of us but the old gen taught us the big difference between good and evil; smart and stupid; being careful and reckless; pretty much knowing your place. People simply forgot the basics. On a different note, I don't really mind about old school or not. If you're feeling their spit, then you listen to it. Otherwise, you don't. hellasick, I think preference conquers judgment. But when it comes down to it, there's just some songs that shouldn't be labeled as music. Just noise. There are a few good 3rd gen rappers though (emphasis on few) but their names aren't up there cause of all mainstream garbage songs that's being played every 5 minutes on the radio (with 10 minute commercials). If their names spread and their music was heard, yeah, the radio wouldn't sound like noise pollution. There's still some good writers that haven't even gotten their shit on a track. Just look at freestylers going about on the streets; winning freestyle battles against the "best of the best" to prove themselves worthy. But if you can't put your lyrics on a track, then you realize that talent alone can't get you far. High rant over.

[The way I see it, rap pretty much controls America's flow of things. Weird..]
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yeah... 2nd gen of rappers were mainstream which is why it look me so long to realize how terrible mainstream is. And like pre mentioned 2nd & 3rd gen is still kinda mixed. That level of quality the radio & TV brought was set pretty high.

But i live & die to that 2nd gen hip hop
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crasyjak wrote:

yeah... 2nd gen of rappers were mainstream which is why it look me so long to realize how terrible mainstream is. And like pre mentioned 2nd & 3rd gen is still kinda mixed. That level of quality the radio & TV brought was set pretty high.

But i live & die to that 2nd gen hip hop


The 2nd generation was the motherfucking Golden Era of Hip Hop, no doubt. Even 1st generation OGs will tell you that the mainstream hip hop game in the 90s to early 2000s (before 2003 at least) had the best hip hop music out in the mainstream. Now we have to go underground to reclaim our quality of shit again. And with kirby's explanation.........I can understand that, but why the fuck didn't the 3rd generations twats try to learn and absorb from the previous generation so they can KNOW great quality shit like we did?
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