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doesnt answer my quesion- did u take it as a combative art? and TKD "might" be taught differently in other other countries that arnt as commercialized as America.maybe.

Not really since I took it when i was a kid, but when I looked for a new class, they were all the same. It doesn't matter what I trained for anyway, I got a look at the combative side and it was the same except they spar, and it's only adults.

TKD doesnt have a standardized stance in fighting, you choose the stance....and doesnt muy thai have a roundhouse kick?btw, you have been doing MA for 20 yrs, you can adapt to any thing, but not a begginer in martial arts.

There may be no "official" stance, but most TKD people just hop around and keeps their hands down. Muay thai may have roundhouse kicks, but it is definitely not the main focus of the style, unlike TKD. I have no idea what you're trying to point out in the last sentence.

also i would advise you to be careful when talking about what works and what doesnt. Fighting is an individual thing, it differs from person to person. What might not work for you, may work for others and vice versa.


Is that why most MMA fighters win using mostly the same styles?

Example #1 in my jujitsu class, a guy stood up and told the teacher jujitsu doesnt work. The teacher said prove it, so the student and the teacher got in a fight. Student was unconscienous in 5 mins.

Details would make it more believable, it sounds like a example a kid would use.


Example #2- in the same class a 45 yr old "master" said kicks dont work. So he chalanged the teacher and said "kick me". So the teacher did a spinning hook kick. The "master" just ducked and covered and said "front kick, front kick!"


So the "master" proved that the kick can be easily avoided? or what?


Example #3- guy walks in my MA club, claims power comes from the shoulder and not the hips.left the club with a dislocated shoulder when he tried to prove his "theory". The muy thai guys had a ball with him.

Again, I don't understand what you're trying to point out. How can the muay thai guys "have a ball" with him if muay thai uses punches that use the shoulder, not the hips. You're not really using any good examples, none of them prove anything, except that you may be desperate to prove something that's not true. More and more I get the idea that you're not a fighter, rather just some little nerdy guy who wants to act like bruce lee and craves attention.


Im not here to argue about the weaknesses of taekwondo, all styles have them, im not denying that. Im not here talking about sport taekwondo. Im talking about combative taekwondo, we dont know if it is still being practiced or not. Maybe somewhere in the mountains of North Korea, it still may be secretly being taught. Like real ninjutsu is in Japan.I havnt taken it, but all im saying is the possibility exists that it may be effective in combat (hence, why its combative).And if the sport version wasnt so commercialized and americanized, it too could be used in combat.


Dude, honestly, TKD is TKD. The way you use it is another story. To train the combative one, you just spar and train a different way, it's not different style. Laughed my ass off at whole mountains of North Korea thing. Ninjutsu isn't being taught because it isn't a fighting style, it's basically training to be a ninja. Ninja are gone and are useless now, therefore we don't need them. If ninjutsu was an actual fighting style I'm sure it would still be taught. There are more styles that commercialized other than TKD, especially now that MMA is so popular.

its all about quality vs quanity.

How does your previous paragraph give the impression of this at all? This phrase doesn't really apply to MA either. As long as you do decent training, it's actually quantity over quality.


just because it doesnt work for you, doesnt mean it doesnt work for me. You have yet to prove ne of these so called "facts" with ne evidence. All you have so far is opinion.And i know you havnt interviewed every TKD student and master and asked thier opinion.


I've fought a hundreds of people and can see what works and what doesn't through simply seeing what hits me and what doesn't. You probably wouldn't know this since you already mentioned you don't fight much.

What style? im afraid memorizing techniques, learning techniques, mastering techniques, and actually applying them to fights takes a life time for ne style. Im not sure what you mean by "learned", but learning techniques/styles doesnt help you in a fight. You need much more including the three steps you mensioned in your very first comment.

Boxing, muay thai, BJJ, and karate. they all took me less than a year to get perfect. It doesn't take a lifetime either, they just want your money. Techniques/styles may be the one the least important parts, but you can't be a good fighter without learning a bunch with todays fighters, knowing how to attack or defend in ways one style may not train in. (example: BJJ with punching or muay thai with anything involving the ground, or TKD with anything other than kicks.)

no, i dont fight a lot, and i havnt been to china where kung fu is practiced most.So you still havnt proved a thing.

and only fighting 2 guys, you arnt in a much better position then me to be judging what you know so little about.


Two serious fights, I didn't mention sparring matches or any other kind. I trained in kung-fu, left and looked for a better class and found they were all the same thing. It's more for show than for fighting.


I never said i was against being a jack of all trades and a master of none. nor am i agasint mastering just one art. I believe in doing what is best for the individual. Do what works best for you. I have never tried to say which method is "surperior", but both do have strenghts and weaknesses, like everything in this world. And no, it doesnt contridict. Bruce Lee believed in being good in one thing opposed to being bad in all things...on the other hand Jeet kune do had punching, kicking, grappling , and trapping in it...and he did say he was agaisnt limitations...um.... Image ....u know what, i dont know what Bruce lee would say in this situation, just do what works best for you Image


Just scroll up to your first or second reply and you'll see it. Bruce Lee just pointed out the obvious, I bet the only people who liked him were people who didn't know anything about MA and thought he looked cool on the movies. (Just saw Fist of Fury to see if I can get a better impression of him, movie sucked and the fighting was pretty cheesy, especially the part were he lifts the rickshaw and flings it half across the street to a wall.)


and still a kick is still a kick. Image you used the work kick 7 times in that paragraph.i still dont see how a kick can still be something more then just a kick... Image if it isnt a kick, why call it a kick? Image

does sounding philosophical at least make me sound cool? Image


A kick may be a kick but classifying all kicks as just kicks is idiotic for the reason I gave earlier. You should know this being a TKD practitioner. Sounding philosophical just gives more of the impression that you're just a Bruce Lee nerd.


hey, i got a lot of the stuff from him on a book he wrote. Im just refering to his philosophy, not his fighting style or skill, never seen him fought, never fought agasint him. I cant talk about what i dont know.
Tai chi has its origins in combat. they just slowed it down and covered it all up in "codes" and "ki". same thing with caperera, a style that mimiced a dance.


Philosophy doesn't have a place in fighting. Tai chi may or may not, I don't know, but even if did, it doesn't now. Capoeira is one the most idiotic styles ever, it would never work against a different style, too tiring and the attacks are just ridiculous.


thats the same as calling an art serperior. TKD focuses on things YOU rarely use in a real fight. How can you tell me what i use in a real fight if u havnt fought me or even met me?How can you tell me what does and doesnt work for me? How can u tell me what fights im going to lose b4 i get in them?
I can very well use my wrists and fingers to fight primarily. I could have won 100s of fights using my wrists and fingers in place of my fists.You cant prove i dont. Because a lot of kung fu styles teach to attack with fingers and wrists. And having only fought 2 kung fu guys, you dont have the knowlege to attest wether or not it works for "them".
The problem with trying to force your "serperiority thoerys" as facts on "everyone" else is that they cant be proven. No scientific studies or test will ever reveal a so called "serperior" martial art or a inferior one.It cant be done. So in a way it's like a religion, based on faith, not fact. or rather based on the individual. Image


I'm not the only one that rarely uses them, all my past opponents rarely used them. You may use them in fights, but you probably only fight either TKD's or people who don't know how to fight, otherwise you'd lose. Saying you can beat people with your fingers and wrists has to be one the funniest things I've ever heard, you'd probably just break them both. You also kinda prove that kung fu sucks by saying this. I've sparred with a lot of kung fu guys and they do use it if it's in their class and they don't know other styles. It's a huge possibility that the people I fought knew kung fu but didn't use it because they know it doesn't work. You have no say in this whatsoever since you haven't even taken a class, or fight someone using it.

i happen to also be a college student with a job preparing to go to the marines, so i do what i can Image

I happen to also be a college student with a job. What I meant is that you should put down your Bruce Lee books and start training in something that works.

All im trying to say is fighting/martial arts rest with the individual. fighting depends on the individual, not some style. You asume what works for you will work for everyone in the world. If that were true, why arn't you some type of intructor sharing your omnipotent knowlege about fighting?

I help people occasionally, otherwise I really don't give a shit.

Everything you say is right, just for the wrong reasons.(You tend to follow more of Bruce Lee's teaching then you realise- he to was a combative martial artist, maybe if u learn about him more, you may find that you two think very similiar.)

Just because Bruce Lee's teachings are too obvious too anyone who takes it serious. I've only read one book about swordmanship and never about hand to hand.

Your way, your thoughts, your training, works best for "you". It may not work as well for the guy who might just want to carry a gun around and wont need all of the conditioning/fighting skills.Or for the guy who doesnt want to fight at all.

They aren't fighters and aren't my concern. If someone comes at me with a gun, I will probably lose but I will try to win, I might get lucky.

All of these personal pronouns you keep using simply proves that what works for you, might not work for others.
Ever take jujitsu or some form of grappling? those martial arts are build off of that philosophy.


It may be built off philosophy, but it can be used for fighting and it's all I care about. I never took jiujitsu since i prefer BJJ.


You may have had twice as many years in training as i have, but they r your experiences, i learned nothing from them.I wasnt there. I have only my own experiences to go on. Once again, more evidence to point toward fighting depends on the individual. peace over war Image


The fact that I have twice the years should be enough for you to realize that I have been doing this for a long time, I don't base what I tell you on what I prefer, it is from what I have seen, experienced, and deduced out of the fights I've had. I tell you these things work because I have tried them or have had someone try it on me and it didn't do much. Fighting may be individual thing to some degree, but there's a reason pro fighters mostly use the styles, because they work. I read some of your recent threads and can't tell if your joking or not, I assume your not.(Claiming you caught a bullet was pretty ridiculous.) But they show you know very little, you need to fight people who know different styles to know what works against what, and what doesn't. Earlier you mentioned you don't fight much, then clearly you don't know much. Actual fights are the most important part to realizing what is useful. Seeing as how you haven't had many, then it's obvious you can't tell what works too much. Also, asking about martial arts in crunchyroll in general shows how little you know, go to a forum dedicated to this kind of stuff and see what they have to say. I guarantee they will laugh at what you have to say. I was hoping this argument would be a bit enlightening, maybe it could change my views a bit from what you would say, but you're just a stubborn person who can't accept that certain things you obsess with are just no good. When you have anywhere near the experience I have, then I will care for what your argument is, but right now you're still learning, and not much since you refuse to accept the facts. Maybe someday you will fight a decent fighter who know something other than TKD and realize just how badly it sucks as a combative art. Till then, I don't see how what you have to say matters.


Not really since I took it when i was a kid, but when I looked for a new class, they were all the same. It doesn't matter what I trained for anyway, I got a look at the combative side and it was the same except they spar, and it's only adults.

um no, you havnt taken combative TKD, and no, you cant prove its exactly how they spar. cause even sport TKD can vary from instition to instition. In one organization, you cant punch to the face in tournaments, in another, you can actually punch to the face.
what i do know is that combative arts do train differently then there sporting aspects.I have taken and seen the various changes of techniques in a certain marital art. And sports dont tend to work in fights.

Basicly what im saying is that you dont know anything about combative TKD and niether do i, i just take my knowlege about combat from the serveral other combative arts i do know.

Is that why most MMA fighters win using mostly the same styles?

MMA as in mixture of martial arts? or sports like the UFC and all that jazz? once again i like to make a very strong distinction between actual fighting arts and sports.Talking about sports and all that, i dont know why hey all tend to use the same style, but they are not a realistic representation of a street fight with 2 random individuals.Based on common sense, most adverage guys simply are not going to be some pro fighter in MMA.Especially under the age of 20.

Now im not saying sport arts cant be used in fighting, im not saying they cant be a good guage of overall fighting ability, but they tend to leave out some realistic factors of fighting.

What works in the ring, doesnt nessessarily work on the streets or in every other situation. Rules and refs dont exists on the streets, niether do padding or tapping out of lock.Wieght classes dont exists either.hey, im all for sport arts, im a black belt in TKD, but i do not confuse what is practicle and what isnt.
If you look at the websites i posted early on, you will see what im talking about.MMA as in the UFC and all that, work best in the ring. mixture of martial arts as combative, is a completely individual thing.Same thing with sport based TKD, works best in the TKD ring,
combative TKD is completely an individual thing. From people i have talked to about TKD done in other countries, i heard that it is much more hands oriented in Korea.I even heard grappling is done in some TKD schools.


As for all the examples, take from them what you will. But muy thai punches are all done from the hip, thats wear the power comes from. They use thier hip rotation for just about every tech they do. This is coming from a pro teacher of muy thai and his student.I dont know what type of muy thai u take, maybe its that americanized version (seeing a connection of our TKD arguement done in muythai instead?).
but Americanized muy thai dont rotate the foot when they kick, they use pure hips, Thailand muy thai pivits the foot and cranks the hip for just about every kick.Same style just different ways of doing it. I wander if the same essential arguement applies to Americanized TKD and Korean TKD, hmmmmm :o.

Dude, honestly, TKD is TKD. The way you use it is another story. To train the combative one, you just spar and train a different way, it's not different style. Laughed my ass off at whole mountains of North Korea thing. Ninjutsu isn't being taught because it isn't a fighting style, it's basically training to be a ninja. Ninja are gone and are useless now, therefore we don't need them. If ninjutsu was an actual fighting style I'm sure it would still be taught. There are more styles that commercialized other than TKD, especially now that MMA is so popular.

What do u mean by the way you use it? How do u know what it takes for it to be combative? you've never taken combative TKD.It may very well be more hands oriented. it could include grappling. Maybe when the art was turned into a sport, they took a lot out of TKD to make it more flashy for people. Ever study the history of TKD? it in itself was derived from karate and was pretty much the exact same thing.In 1960s they wanted to make it into a sport and make it differiciate from karate, so they decided to concentrate on kicks.Based on that historic knowledge, combative TKD might have been much more hands oriented like karate.Or course, i could be wrong, some TKD masters would argue that TKD wasnt created in 1960s, they would say it started 10,000 yrs ago because of the paintings on thier cave walls shows people doing tkd kicks, historians would argue that could have been dancing.no one knows the 100% truth about combative TKD.History and other martial arts do show however, that it could have been very different. like combative tai chi. look it up.

A style called "ninjutsu" does exists and is being taught today-look it up. the quesion becomes just what is a ninja? Very little documents about ninjas have been recovered by Japan. very little is known about them, and because of that, we do know they were very secretive.
Wether or not ninjas were fighters is a question in itself.
The style "ninjutsu" today may very well have been made up from people who r not ninjas, because ninjas tended to be very secretive.perhaps they were only spys?

I've fought a hundreds of people and can see what works and what doesn't through simply seeing what hits me and what doesn't. You probably wouldn't know this since you already mentioned you don't fight much.

there r billions of people in the world, hundreds dont cut it. You see what works and doesnt work for and against you.
I know exactly what your talking about, its common sense.i know your not lieing.

The quesion is, does your knowlege apply to everyone else in the world? Is it representative to everyone else? r the "samples" you used "random" and representative of the entire human population?

The answer is no. Unfortunatly, you only fought agasint these people. You never sat down and watched them fight against other people and studied that. You have only proven what i have been trying to tell you- you have proved what works and doesnt work for and agaisnt you.

What works for you, may not work for me or other people. What works agasint you may not work agaisnt me. What doesnt work on you, doesnt mean it wont work on me or ne one else.

From a statistical stand point, you have proven what works for you.and what doesnt work for and agasint you.Once again, further evidence of fighting being based on the individual. From a statistical stand point.

Boxing, muay thai, BJJ, and karate. they all took me less than a year to get perfect. It doesn't take a lifetime either, they just want your money. Techniques/styles may be the one the least important parts, but you can't be a good fighter without learning a bunch with todays fighters, knowing how to attack or defend in ways one style may not train in. (example: BJJ with punching or muay thai with anything involving the ground, or TKD with anything other than kicks.)

what a load of bull, i dont believe in perfection in this world.but If u are a perfect fighter , and u perfected 4 arts in less then a yr. Everything you say just doesnt apply to the entire human population.Cause the rest of us arnt perfect.It is pointless to continue to train period if you have reached perfection.There fore everything you say doesnt apply to ne one else but yourself. Cause your the only perfect fighter i know.And most likly the only one in the world.Hell, even my masters and pro fighters dont claim to know everything, even though they have been training twice as long as you have.Prodogies and perfected people simply cant represent what works for the majority.They r just to...perfect.

For the rest of us, it takes a lifetime to master ne thing, meaning we never really master it to begin with, the rest of us can still learn and improve no matter how much we know.As for you, either your lieing, or you dont know what mastery means, or your perfect.Either way, what your saying doesnt apply to the rest of us.

As for being a good fighter, for you, that may be true. If your perfect, that doesnt apply to us at all.
For us normal fighters, fighting depends on the individual.Just because a man might know martial arts, doesnt make him invincible to some adverage street fighter called Joe.Joe can get lucky and knock out the martial artist in one attack. Joe might use a weapon.
perhaps a good fighter is defined differently by different people. like how success is defined differently by different people.
for everyone else of course. not you, if your perfect.

For us normal people- I met a Boxer and a muy thai guy argueing about which art is serperior. The muy thai guy said that no boxer could beat ne muy thai guy because muy thai simply uses more things to attack.The Boxer claimed that just knowing an art doesnt garentee your victory. He claimed that the boxer would just have to compensate somehow in order to win the fight.I sided with the boxer on this arguement.Just knowing an art doesnt mean a thing in a fight. It still boils down to individual skill. the boxer may very well be able to dodge enough attacks to get to the muy thai guy and knock him out. Same thing with the muy thai guy.

For u- if your perfect, none of that applies to you. all of your attacks connect and you dodge everyblow.You must be like goku compared to us normal humans.

Two serious fights, I didn't mention sparring matches or any other kind. I trained in kung-fu, left and looked for a better class and found they were all the same thing. It's more for show than for fighting.

hey, even i spared agasint kung fu guys and i do a lot of sparring, but those arent fights.Im srry, were did u take class? How many classes did u look at? Were they random and representable to every class i nthe world? What purpose did they train?Once again you have proven everything for yourself, just not the rest of us.


Just scroll up to your first or second reply and you'll see it. Bruce Lee just pointed out the obvious, I bet the only people who liked him were people who didn't know anything about MA and thought he looked cool on the movies. (Just saw Fist of Fury to see if I can get a better impression of him, movie sucked and the fighting was pretty cheesy, especially the part were he lifts the rickshaw and flings it half across the street to a wall.)

personaly, i have never seen ne of his movies. All i know about him comes from his wife, biographes, documents, people he met and talked to, ect. I dont consider movies reliable sources and you shouldnt either, considering he never used Jeet kune do in ne of his movies.If u want to know the "real" Bruce Lee, talk to his wife and do "real" research, the academic kind.movies dont cut it.

Philosophy doesn't have a place in fighting. Tai chi may or may not, I don't know, but even if did, it doesn't now. Capoeira is one the most idiotic styles ever, it would never work against a different style, too tiring and the attacks are just ridiculous.

o yea, wut if i said i got beat buy this guy who knows capoeira and i know serveral martial arts, none of them including capoeira. How do u explain that one?

I'm not the only one that rarely uses them, all my past opponents rarely used them. You may use them in fights, but you probably only fight either TKD's or people who don't know how to fight, otherwise you'd lose. Saying you can beat people with your fingers and wrists has to be one the funniest things I've ever heard, you'd probably just break them both. You also kinda prove that kung fu sucks by saying this. I've sparred with a lot of kung fu guys and they do use it if it's in their class and they don't know other styles. It's a huge possibility that the people I fought knew kung fu but didn't use it because they know it doesn't work. You have no say in this whatsoever since you haven't even taken a class, or fight someone using it.

"I'm not the only one that rarely uses them, all my past opponents rarely used them"

i have come to the conclusion that they arent a good representation of the entire human population.

"You may use them in fights, but you probably only fight either TKD's or people who don't know how to fight, otherwise you'd lose"

funny, i actually won a fight with a defensive side kick to the stomach (stopped his advancement and stunned him) and came in and punched the dude out. He considered himself a good fighter, and so did i.and no, he didnt take TKD and he knew how to fight, i felt his punches.

i have stopped the advanement of a boxer coming to punch me out with a side kick and push front kick in sparring.

now from here you can argue that he was a bad fighter, or that we both r a bad fighter, or i dont know what a good fighter is.you could argue i got lucky. you could argue im lieing, you could argue that he doesnt represent most of the people in the world. Argue all you like, but an arguement is only as good as the evidence you have to back it up.

The problem with this field of study is that it isnt an exact science, it isnt science at all. you cant take what aplies to you and think it applies to everyone else without experientation and using the scientific method or using statistics.Further proves fighting deals with individualality rather then styles form a scientific point of view, because u cant prove what your saying.

Saying you can beat people with your fingers and wrists has to be one the funniest things I've ever heard, you'd probably just break them both.

cant u poke an eye out with fingers? who can fight blind? Lots of kung fu guys do attack with fingers and wrists,

Edit- over half the stuff i had to say got cut off, but when i look back, i need to summarise=

Basicly im saying i can counter argue everything your saying without needing your expertise, its a logical argument.

i am still learning, but in the end i will come to a conclusion of what does and doesnt work for me, and it may not imitate your fighting style.
you r not perfect and u r also still learning.
pro fights and actual fights r 2 different things.sports vs reality.Martial sport vs martial art.

"When people talk about fighting schools they say that kung fu, or karate, or this other style is the best. That is silly, and the problem becomes that the ifghting style then becomes set in stone with no growth, and no adaptation, because what works for me might not work for you "-Bruce Lee

"Use only that which works, and take it from any place you can find it"-Bruce Lee

"Real knowlege is to know the extent of one's ignorance"-Confucious

I am a mixed martial artist, i learn from guys with more experience, expertise, knowedge, ect. then you.
TKD is just one of the many arts i know. I take from it what works for me and discard what doesnt work for me in both combat and sparring.

All im saying is that fighting depends on the individual, not some style. What works for you may not work for me.
And if al u know of fighting comes from movies and sports, then u dont know a thing.
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Best fighting style is jui jitsu! dang i want to learn that. If you get that person to the ground. Game over.

To answer the question, you exercise with the combination of resistance training (weights,pushups), Aerobic exercise (threadmills, running, jogging), and flexibility and stretching exercises. That way when you train for a fighting style you'll be in tiptop shape. Of course, you need time, effort and dedication to accomplish such tasks.

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Fight someone stronger than you .
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The pen is mightier than the sword. Be a total douchebag towards everything that moves.
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Basicly what im saying is that you dont know anything about combative TKD and niether do i, i just take my knowlege about combat from the serveral other combative arts i do know.

Grow up, Tkd is tkd, how you use it is another deal, combative tkd is not some lost art only practiced by monks or something.


As for all the examples, take from them what you will. But muy thai punches are all done from the hip, thats wear the power comes from. They use thier hip rotation for just about every tech they do. This is coming from a pro teacher of muy thai and his student.I dont know what type of muy thai u take, maybe its that americanized version (seeing a connection of our TKD arguement done in muythai instead?).
but Americanized muy thai dont rotate the foot when they kick, they use pure hips, Thailand muy thai pivits the foot and cranks the hip for just about every kick.Same style just different ways of doing it. I wander if the same essential arguement applies to Americanized TKD and Korean TKD, hmmmmm :o.


Are you insane? Sure, they turn their hips in muay thai punches, but all the power comes from the shoulders, you idiot. I never said anything about rotating the foot either, don't act like you have so much evidence that I take crap versions of every style.

What works in the ring, doesnt nessessarily work on the streets or in every other situation. Rules and refs dont exists on the streets, niether do padding or tapping out of lock.Wieght classes dont exists either.hey, im all for sport arts, im a black belt in TKD, but i do not confuse what is practicle and what isnt.

What works in the ring may not all work in the streets but it is incredibly useful. I doubt you'd know that.


If you look at the websites i posted early on, you will see what im talking about.MMA as in the UFC and all that, work best in the ring. mixture of martial arts as combative, is a completely individual thing.Same thing with sport based TKD, works best in the TKD ring,


How is MMA an completely individual thing if you clearly mentioned that they all do mostly the same styles earlier.

combative TKD is completely an individual thing. From people i have talked to about TKD done in other countries, i heard that it is much more hands oriented in Korea.I even heard grappling is done in some TKD schools.

The thing that makes TKD an individual thing you choose how to apply it, doesn't mean it's useful tho.


What do u mean by the way you use it? How do u know what it takes for it to be combative? you've never taken combative TKD.It may very well be more hands oriented. it could include grappling. Maybe when the art was turned into a sport, they took a lot out of TKD to make it more flashy for people. Ever study the history of TKD? it in itself was derived from karate and was pretty much the exact same thing.In 1960s they wanted to make it into a sport and make it differiciate from karate, so they decided to concentrate on kicks.Based on that historic knowledge, combative TKD might have been much more hands oriented like karate.Or course, i could be wrong, some TKD masters would argue that TKD wasnt created in 1960s, they would say it started 10,000 yrs ago because of the paintings on thier cave walls shows people doing tkd kicks, historians would argue that could have been dancing.no one knows the 100% truth about combative TKD.History and other martial arts do show however, that it could have been very different. like combative tai chi. look it up.


When i say "the way you use it" i mean whether combative or sport. For it to be combative, you use it for combat. I don't care about the history of TKD, I only care if it works. As for combative tai chi, I looked it up, freaking joke is what it is.


A style called "ninjutsu" does exists and is being taught today-look it up. the quesion becomes just what is a ninja? Very little documents about ninjas have been recovered by Japan. very little is known about them, and because of that, we do know they were very secretive.
Wether or not ninjas were fighters is a question in itself.
The style "ninjutsu" today may very well have been made up from people who r not ninjas, because ninjas tended to be very secretive.perhaps they were only spys?


That doesn't mean that ninjutsu is a style, It refers to the techniques and teachings for ninja.

there r billions of people in the world, hundreds dont cut it. You see what works and doesnt work for and against you.

Not really, I've watched fights too and they are usually very similar to what I do.


The quesion is, does your knowlege apply to everyone else in the world? Is it representative to everyone else? r the "samples" you used "random" and representative of the entire human population?


You say that MA is individual thing, I say otherwise. So, what makes you think your idea is right and mine wrong. Just because I think TKD sucks. You don't even have the knowledge to say such a thing and prove it in any way other than quoting bruce lee and saying that all my arguments prove what works for me. By the way, you say I have no evidence, but you simply don't reply to it.


The answer is no. Unfortunatly, you only fought agasint these people. You never sat down and watched them fight against other people and studied that. You have only proven what i have been trying to tell you- you have proved what works and doesnt work for and agaisnt you.


Yes, I did sit down and watched some of them fight. How did I prove your ideas with what I said?

what a load of bull, i dont believe in perfection in this world.but If u are a perfect fighter, and u perfected 4 arts in less then a yr. Everything you say just doesnt apply to the entire human population.Cause the rest of us arnt perfect.It is pointless to continue to train period if you have reached perfection.There fore everything you say doesnt apply to ne one else but yourself. Cause your the only perfect fighter i know.And most likly the only one in the world.Hell, even my masters and pro fighters dont claim to know everything, even though they have been training twice as long as you have.Prodogies and perfected people simply cant represent what works for the majority.They r just to...perfect.

I don't mean perfect, i meant i learned them, and not
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BRavO!!!!! hayate87!! BRAVo!!!
its true not even one MA works 100% sure on street, then ther are some little things call GUNS and KNIFES... if you go on a man with weapens its a diffreant story... spec. when he has a gun... The MIND is the best weapen not the fists or weapens, if you can see what that dude is gona do, so you can react... thats the power... saved my life meany times...
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I shoudn't post this... but I will. First get yourself drunk. Fight whoever comes your way by using the drunken man style! HI YAH!! WO CHOK! EK EK EK!
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Best fighting style is jui jitsu! dang i want to learn that. If you get that person to the ground. Game over.

To answer the question, you exercise with the combination of resistance training (weights,pushups), Aerobic exercise (threadmills, running, jogging), and flexibility and stretching exercises. That way when you train for a fighting style you'll be in tiptop shape. Of course, you need time, effort and dedication to accomplish such tasks.



isn't it "jujutsu"?

Btw why are there soooooo many fighting threads. It getting kind of lame.
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watch and act those of naruto moves then pose as a ninja...post that pic here on CR...go out find fights...thats it your a fighter.
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watch discovery channel's fight quest. i'm particularly impressed by krav maga. of course there's also the kali sticks.. *snickers* the chicken blood and screaming kali again and again is a practicaljoke though
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Basicly what im saying is that you dont know anything about combative TKD and niether do i, i just take my knowlege about combat from the serveral other combative arts i do know.

Grow up, Tkd is tkd, how you use it is another deal, combative tkd is not some lost art only practiced by monks or something.


As for all the examples, take from them what you will. But muy thai punches are all done from the hip, thats wear the power comes from. They use thier hip rotation for just about every tech they do. This is coming from a pro teacher of muy thai and his student.I dont know what type of muy thai u take, maybe its that americanized version (seeing a connection of our TKD arguement done in muythai instead?).
but Americanized muy thai dont rotate the foot when they kick, they use pure hips, Thailand muy thai pivits the foot and cranks the hip for just about every kick.Same style just different ways of doing it. I wander if the same essential arguement applies to Americanized TKD and Korean TKD, hmmmmm :o.


Are you insane? Sure, they turn their hips in muay thai punches, but all the power comes from the shoulders, you idiot. I never said anything about rotating the foot either, don't act like you have so much evidence that I take crap versions of every style.

What works in the ring, doesnt nessessarily work on the streets or in every other situation. Rules and refs dont exists on the streets, niether do padding or tapping out of lock.Wieght classes dont exists either.hey, im all for sport arts, im a black belt in TKD, but i do not confuse what is practicle and what isnt.

What works in the ring may not all work in the streets but it is incredibly useful. I doubt you'd know that.


If you look at the websites i posted early on, you will see what im talking about.MMA as in the UFC and all that, work best in the ring. mixture of martial arts as combative, is a completely individual thing.Same thing with sport based TKD, works best in the TKD ring,


How is MMA an completely individual thing if you clearly mentioned that they all do mostly the same styles earlier.

combative TKD is completely an individual thing. From people i have talked to about TKD done in other countries, i heard that it is much more hands oriented in Korea.I even heard grappling is done in some TKD schools.

The thing that makes TKD an individual thing you choose how to apply it, doesn't mean it's useful tho.


What do u mean by the way you use it? How do u know what it takes for it to be combative? you've never taken combative TKD.It may very well be more hands oriented. it could include grappling. Maybe when the art was turned into a sport, they took a lot out of TKD to make it more flashy for people. Ever study the history of TKD? it in itself was derived from karate and was pretty much the exact same thing.In 1960s they wanted to make it into a sport and make it differiciate from karate, so they decided to concentrate on kicks.Based on that historic knowledge, combative TKD might have been much more hands oriented like karate.Or course, i could be wrong, some TKD masters would argue that TKD wasnt created in 1960s, they would say it started 10,000 yrs ago because of the paintings on thier cave walls shows people doing tkd kicks, historians would argue that could have been dancing.no one knows the 100% truth about combative TKD.History and other martial arts do show however, that it could have been very different. like combative tai chi. look it up.


When i say "the way you use it" i mean whether combative or sport. For it to be combative, you use it for combat. I don't care about the history of TKD, I only care if it works. As for combative tai chi, I looked it up, freaking joke is what it is.


A style called "ninjutsu" does exists and is being taught today-look it up. the quesion becomes just what is a ninja? Very little documents about ninjas have been recovered by Japan. very little is known about them, and because of that, we do know they were very secretive.
Wether or not ninjas were fighters is a question in itself.
The style "ninjutsu" today may very well have been made up from people who r not ninjas, because ninjas tended to be very secretive.perhaps they were only spys?


That doesn't mean that ninjutsu is a style, It refers to the techniques and teachings for ninja.

there r billions of people in the world, hundreds dont cut it. You see what works and doesnt work for and against you.

Not really, I've watched fights too and they are usually very similar to what I do.


The quesion is, does your knowlege apply to everyone else in the world? Is it representative to everyone else? r the "samples" you used "random" and representative of the entire human population?


You say that MA is individual thing, I say otherwise. So, what makes you think your idea is right and mine wrong. Just because I think TKD sucks. You don't even have the knowledge to say such a thing and prove it in any way other than quoting bruce lee and saying that all my arguments prove what works for me. By the way, you say I have no evidence, but you simply don't reply to it.


The answer is no. Unfortunatly, you only fought agasint these people. You never sat down and watched them fight against other people and studied that. You have only proven what i have been trying to tell you- you have proved what works and doesnt work for and agaisnt you.


Yes, I did sit down and watched some of them fight. How did I prove your ideas with what I said?


I don't mean perfect, i meant i learned them, and not


btw, i would still like to debate with you the effectiveness of ne and all martial arts when trained right.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wc22z1-EYt0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ub1Vy0So2BI&feature=channel
if i can i will find videos of tai chi quan and TKD done from 1000s of years ago.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QgJL7262GUE&feature=related

ok here is a TKD website about the history of the art, plz notice what other arts r located with TKD.

http://www.combativeartsacademy.com/classes/taekwondo.asp

muy thai, jeet kune do, escrima,savate, and jujitsu are trained for combat in this school. TKD is right up there with them.Now plz notice this is street fighting combat, not ring combat, or else escrima wouldnt be in the list. (cant use knives in MMA).

now, this proves how the styles can be used in fighting, whether or not they r effective depends on the individual and situation. Now Bruce Lee probably wouldnt see the point in these "odd" ways of fighting, but he wouldnt dismiss them either, because he would just trap himself in a box, the very thing he sought to escape from. peace over war
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