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The Skip Beat! Conundrum: How will the series end? Ideas/Theories
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What was Kyoko then before she "got dumped"? A fanatical psycho fan?

She did it on her own, he simply asked her to come with him, what she did and and what he took for granted aren't quite what you are trying to point out. There are some logic in what Shou was saying back then, cruel yes, but it was simply the truth at the present time... He didn't force her to come with him, nor make his meals or anything, she did it on her own will.

There are some truths behind the cruelty of Shou... At least he was honest about it.

The old Kyoko was nothing but a towel... Something without self will nor desire... If shou wouldn't have been the one, other ones would have showed her the truth of what life can be like.

In the end, there are two sides of the coin, you have to grasp them both and notice the edge between them.
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sn0wflak3x wrote:

The last chapter will have Kyoko and Ren as the new leading celeb couple. And Kyoko has her own cosmetic company! She also supported Shou financially when he went bankrupted. She didn't take the chance to get her revenge, because Kyoko is still the sweet and kind girl we knew from the beginning.

I also thought of a dialogue between Ren and Shou... :P

Ren: Do you regret not holding her hand tight from the beginning?

Shou: Of course I do... promise me one thing, okay?

Ren: What?

Shou: Take care of her. Because when I see a chance, I'll try to get her back.

Ren: *Smirks* I'll look forward to it. But don't worry... you'll never get that chance.

[ They're in good terms with each other now ]

Happy ending! Kyoko and Ren gets married! Tralalalala~! *Wedding march music*


OH MY... I like this nice soundtrack too
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OMG You missed stuff!


What we know will happen 'cause the Mangaka has been torturing us with it:
1. Kyouko will have to heal before accepting her feelings for Ren.
2. Shou will try to get Kyouko.
3. Kyouko will stop denying herself and realize that Kuon and Corn are the same.
4. Kyouko is likely to meet her parents (been looming). (reconciliation with parents is a major theme.)
5. Kyouko is likely to meet Ren's mother as Ren's mother. (Actress... *cough* Bound to happen.)
6. Kyouko will beat Shou or come to realize that revenge isn't what she really wanted from him.
7. Kyouko and Ren will act in opposite roles of each other.
8. Ren's manager will continue to reflect the reader's frustration and try to test their relationship from what the readers would like.
9. We'll find out how Kyoko spends her money.
10. Kyouko will get a manager.

This mangaka strikes me as one that changes her mind if she finds something better. She has set goals laid out in the storyline, but she tends to interlude it with things that she really likes as the moment hits her. I also get the impression that she loves Japanese dramas, especially melodramas... and is borrowing elements from it for at least Kyouko's work.



I like what you wrote :D
... and I intentionally missed stuff.... IF I had put in everything... well my post would have been looooooooonger...
plus I wanted there to be enough stuff for people to add on to the conversation that we are having and it's a good one :)
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What was Kyoko then before she "got dumped"? A fanatical psycho fan?

She did it on her own, he simply asked her to come with him, what she did and and what he took for granted aren't quite what you are trying to point out. There are some logic in what Shou was saying back then, cruel yes, but it was simply the truth at the present time... He didn't force her to come with him, nor make his meals or anything, she did it on her own will.

There are some truths behind the cruelty of Shou... At least he was honest about it.

The old Kyoko was nothing but a towel... Something without self will nor desire... If shou wouldn't have been the one, other ones would have showed her the truth of what life can be like.

In the end, there are two sides of the coin, you have to grasp them both and notice the edge between them.


...yes she was a "towel" I agree... but she was conditioned to be this way by her mother, Shou's parents, and Shou... for all those formative years she was expected to be the best, to do work at the inn, to listen to the family she was living with - Shou's family, who were pretty much almost called "Master" by Kyouko because she was an employee and she was being groomed to take over the business and become a quiet, timid, obeying, and deferential housefrau :P
... Kyouko had no ROOM to grow at that point because she was hemmed in on all sides ...
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What was Kyoko then before she "got dumped"? A fanatical psycho fan?

She did it on her own, he simply asked her to come with him, what she did and and what he took for granted aren't quite what you are trying to point out. There are some logic in what Shou was saying back then, cruel yes, but it was simply the truth at the present time... He didn't force her to come with him, nor make his meals or anything, she did it on her own will.

There are some truths behind the cruelty of Shou... At least he was honest about it.

The old Kyoko was nothing but a towel... Something without self will nor desire... If shou wouldn't have been the one, other ones would have showed her the truth of what life can be like.

In the end, there are two sides of the coin, you have to grasp them both and notice the edge between them.


She wasn't a fan of Shou per say. A fan to me, is someone that she admires and puts up on a pedestal to the point that they are separated from you so you wish to reach their level. Kyouko never had those feelings of admiration for Shou, she merely liked him and wanted to support him to go to the top. Which is different from a fan. She had an understanding of him different from a fan as well. I see her relationship (current) with Ren from her side still being on a fan level) which is why Ren doesn't take the steps forward, because on some level, she still doesn't see his faults and refuses to see them, much like she was with Shou, and she needs that to really fall in love with someone--and this is why Ren is just that little bit behind and he knows it.

Shou still took advantage to Kyouko. When he asked her to come along *he knew* to some degree she would say yes. That's why he asked her in the first place--by his own admission. Because he *knew* she would say yes and because he knew she liked him. That still puts him in position of manipulator.

Kyouko did have a sense of self--I think there is a difference between not having a sense of self at all and just not seeing it. Kyouko, from what we know, while she tried to please people before, she is and was always a hard worker. Her flaw was that she often tried to please people to the detriment of herself. But she does have sense of self--fairytales, idealism, the darkness in the character, these things she had while she was with Shou and are unique to said character. She's not a complete towel, perse, there are still things that define who she was before she left Shou. For example, peeling the daikon--while it was she did something to please Shou's parents, she admits to herself it was done through her own effort and graces.

Does this mean her choices weren't bad? No. But I think to put it all on Kyouko is wrong too. It takes at least 2 to make a relationship. Shou knew her weaknesses and knew what she would do while with him. Yet he took advantage of it. Ren knew these weaknesses too, but he didn't take advantage of it. (For example, the test and telling her she didn't have to do that much...)



... and I intentionally missed stuff.... IF I had put in everything... well my post would have been looooooooonger..

But The TRAILER!!!! How could you miss such a scene that elicits fan screams? And the cabinet scene. XD. That's like key.... I can forgive not knowing enough about Japanese drama habits, but THE TRAAAAIIIIIILLLLLLERRRR!!! and the CABINET scene. XD. <--- Did I act silly fangirl enough?

Also you missed the real reason that Ren doesn't want to make a move... that's also key!! Though him talking to Bo about it was some of the funniest stuff ever. Especially what Bo said to Ren unwittingly. ^_^
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But The TRAILER!!!! How could you miss such a scene that elicits fan screams? And the cabinet scene. XD. That's like key.... I can forgive not knowing enough about Japanese drama habits, but THE TRAAAAIIIIIILLLLLLERRRR!!! and the CABINET scene. XD. <--- Did I act silly fangirl enough?

Also you missed the real reason that Ren doesn't want to make a move... that's also key!! Though him talking to Bo about it was some of the funniest stuff ever. Especially what Bo said to Ren unwittingly. ^_^


I know I know... though I must say that if I had really wanted to be thorough in my starter comment... well I could have put something from each volume as a key point... but I do want the insights of others as well... and... as a fan you can do some of the "research" work too neener neener :P

Ren needs to get over his past and he needs to start pushing Kyoko towards realizing her feelings


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I wonder when Ren will tell Kyoko that hes Kuon..... xD.... ^^
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I wonder when Ren will tell Kyoko that hes Kuon..... xD.... ^^


Ren'll be holding out to the very end with that one... or at least for a long time... he might be afraid that Kyoko will be upset at him withholding that information and emphasizing the fact that Kuon is a fairy...and breaking her dream of Kuon the Fairy Prince
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I think the fact that Ren keeps thinking that he can't tell Kyoko stuff is hindering their relationship.
I mean he keeps thinking that she'll like bolt on him if she finds out certain stuff about him.
He just needs to be completely comfortable with sharing everything and then whatever they have going can blossom. lol
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I think the fact that Ren keeps thinking that he can't tell Kyoko stuff is hindering their relationship.
I mean he keeps thinking that she'll like bolt on him if she finds out certain stuff about him.
He just needs to be completely comfortable with sharing everything and then whatever they have going can blossom. lol


True true.... but he isn't comfortable with sharing because it seems like he too had a difficult childhood... and this is what he has to get over first - the trust issue of allowing his feelings out and then believing that Kyoko will not hurt him - or that he is capable of getting through whatever it is because he has a caring person like Kyoko at his side...
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but if ren do tell her that he is kuon, wouldn't that kinda ruin the image of the child ren that kyoko have for him... he is kinda an ass now to her and they are really different from then and now... so i think he wants to keep it to himself and also have something special only he knows himself that no one knows. keeping things to himself is just the way he is... but we all know that the time will come when he will reveal his past life to kyoko... i just hope it will be breathtaking and aww so sweet ~
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She will find out when Ren has to dye his hair back to blond for a movie.
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DeAtH4EvEr001 wrote:

I wonder when Ren will tell Kyoko that hes Kuon..... xD.... ^^


Ren'll be holding out to the very end with that one... or at least for a long time... he might be afraid that Kyoko will be upset at him withholding that information and emphasizing the fact that Kuon is a fairy...and breaking her dream of Kuon the Fairy Prince


I think she'll find out by accident from someone else, saaaaayyyy Ren's mother who is also an actress. Because it's *always* how it goes in manga, anime and J-dramas.

But at some point Kyouko's ideals of Ren being on a pedestal has to break. And so far Nakamura-sensei has been torturing us with this fact!! It's subtle, but there. This is why Kyouko can't fall in love with Ren, she has to like his faults too.


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but if ren do tell her that he is kuon, wouldn't that kinda ruin the image of the child ren that kyoko have for him... he is kinda an ass now to her and they are really different from then and now... so i think he wants to keep it to himself and also have something special only he knows himself that no one knows. keeping things to himself is just the way he is... but we all know that the time will come when he will reveal his past life to kyoko... i just hope it will be breathtaking and aww so sweet ~


I don't think he is an ass now. He's just strict and has high expectations for those around him. He also wants to push Kyouko to become better and support her--even if not consciously. To me, it seems that he is hiding the fact he is Kuon because he wants to separate that self from the present self (as was said when Kuu visited) and because in some way he finds it amusing and doesn't want to break Kyouko's heart which will set him back in his goal to become her one and only. (Though if he was more experienced in love--real love he'd realized he'd have to do just that, but its Ren... so... ya know)

And as I said, I doubt *he'll* be the one to confess it. It *never* goes that way in drama, manga or anime. I'm putting my money right now on Ren's mother. She's going to tell Kyouko by accident. But I have a strong feeling that the Nakamura doesn't know what her personality is yet which is why she didn't use her. ^^;; So she's saving her for that plot twist. *grins* Unless something better occurs to her like Shou finds out from Ren's mother while trying to charm her and then tells Kyouko so her dreams will break and then Ren is formced to tell her. Either way, Ren's mother is the key.

>.<;; It sucks being a writer 'cause I'm pretty sure that's what Nakamura-sensei is currently thinking.

Kyouko's heart needs to heal before she can fall in love again. If I guess right I will predict that the previous even of Kuon will happen *before* her heart finishes healing. Because it's more dramatic. ^_^ It's also kind of like Glass Maskish... which is probably looming in Nakamura-sensei's mind as something to beat if she's minusculely like Kyouko. >.<;; Please don't be like Glass Mask sensei!... that'll be torture.
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RonBurgundy wrote:

She will find out when Ren has to dye his hair back to blond for a movie.


WOW! YEAH!!!! That will be it!! Good prediction!!!!!!


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I think she'll find out by accident from someone else, saaaaayyyy Ren's mother who is also an actress. Because it's *always* how it goes in manga, anime and J-dramas.

But at some point Kyouko's ideals of Ren being on a pedestal has to break. And so far Nakamura-sensei has been torturing us with this fact!! It's subtle, but there. This is why Kyouko can't fall in love with Ren, she has to like his faults too.


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but if ren do tell her that he is kuon, wouldn't that kinda ruin the image of the child ren that kyoko have for him... he is kinda an ass now to her and they are really different from then and now... so i think he wants to keep it to himself and also have something special only he knows himself that no one knows. keeping things to himself is just the way he is... but we all know that the time will come when he will reveal his past life to kyoko... i just hope it will be breathtaking and aww so sweet ~


I don't think he is an ass now. He's just strict and has high expectations for those around him. He also wants to push Kyouko to become better and support her--even if not consciously. To me, it seems that he is hiding the fact he is Kuon because he wants to separate that self from the present self (as was said when Kuu visited) and because in some way he finds it amusing and doesn't want to break Kyouko's heart which will set him back in his goal to become her one and only. (Though if he was more experienced in love--real love he'd realized he'd have to do just that, but its Ren... so... ya know)

And as I said, I doubt *he'll* be the one to confess it. It *never* goes that way in drama, manga or anime. I'm putting my money right now on Ren's mother. She's going to tell Kyouko by accident. But I have a strong feeling that the Nakamura doesn't know what her personality is yet which is why she didn't use her. ^^;; So she's saving her for that plot twist. *grins* Unless something better occurs to her like Shou finds out from Ren's mother while trying to charm her and then tells Kyouko so her dreams will break and then Ren is formced to tell her. Either way, Ren's mother is the key.

>.<;; It sucks being a writer 'cause I'm pretty sure that's what Nakamura-sensei is currently thinking.

Kyouko's heart needs to heal before she can fall in love again. If I guess right I will predict that the previous even of Kuon will happen *before* her heart finishes healing. Because it's more dramatic. ^_^ It's also kind of like Glass Maskish... which is probably looming in Nakamura-sensei's mind as something to beat if she's minusculely like Kyouko. >.<;; Please don't be like Glass Mask sensei!... that'll be torture.

I completely agree with what you've written here - nice analysis
and REN IS NOT AN ASS ...he's just learning how to open up and SHARE his feelings...
and about his mother... when she saw him on the screen... well she was REALLY missing her son... and remember how she force-fed him?? hehe - poor little bird left the nest and now Momma wants him home... so she may sneak out at some point and visit... hehe she could turn out like the Mom in Itazura na Kiss - dressing up in disguises to spy hehe
... I also like the part about Ren trying to not kill her dreams of the Fairy Prince Kuon...

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RonBurgundy, after reading what you said, it gave me another theory:

-Kyoko, after her feelings for Ren have grown, and she's watching him acting for a movie, will see Ren's character kiss his female costar, and it will make her innately jealous.
-Kyoko will not realize she is jealous, and will avoid Ren for a while, being confused about the feelings she is having and wanting to talk it all out with Ren, but also not wanting to see him because she doesn't understand.
-Ren is also confused and hurt because Kyoko is obviously avoiding him, and will try to figure out why.
-In the end, Kyoko will tell Ren she doesn't know why she's avoiding him, she just knows that it hurts to see him now.
-Ren will possibly confess.

That's all I got...I should have worked this idea out more before trying to put it down...lol
Give me your thoughts on this theory, please!
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Mintyxx wrote:

This probably would not happen, but if Kyoko had to end up with Sho, it'd be nice if Ren's family like adopted her or something. Then, Kyoko could be happy and Ren could still care for her, even if it's in a different way.

But that's only if she had to end up with Shou.


Minty, no offense, but I don't like this idea...not anything against it, or anything, but I read a story once where a girl went to a new school, and strated dating this popular guy, and then they found out that they were really brother and sister, and that the girl had been kidnapped as a baby. But, when the guy finds out that she's really his sister, he can't accept that, because he's in love with her, and he ends up doing bad things to her...so it just brings that to mind...0.o It makes me think what if Ren can't control himself and the King of the Night comes out when she's his sister...?
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RonBurgundy wrote:

By reading the Author's first notes....

I actually think she will end up with Shou. Sparks are flying all over the place when they meet, it's a blaze of both passion and hatred, sometimes you hate the one you love the most. Why does she hate him so much? Because she loved him so much. And if there's something Reino proved, then it was that this kind of character might very well take Kyoko.

Also note that Ren sees Kyoko as some possession in some way as well.


yes!!!!!!!!! i'm by your side too. i wish that kyoko will end up with shou.
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