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The Skip Beat! Conundrum: How will the series end? Ideas/Theories
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hi guys i'm by shou's side .i wish that shou and kyoko will end up together.
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atalantagoddess wrote:

RonBurgundy, after reading what you said, it gave me another theory:

-Kyoko, after her feelings for Ren have grown, and she's watching him acting for a movie, will see Ren's character kiss his female costar, and it will make her innately jealous.
-Kyoko will not realize she is jealous, and will avoid Ren for a while, being confused about the feelings she is having and wanting to talk it all out with Ren, but also not wanting to see him because she doesn't understand.
-Ren is also confused and hurt because Kyoko is obviously avoiding him, and will try to figure out why.
-In the end, Kyoko will tell Ren she doesn't know why she's avoiding him, she just knows that it hurts to see him now.
-Ren will possibly confess.

That's all I got...I should have worked this idea out more before trying to put it down...lol
Give me your thoughts on this theory, please!

I think the kiss-jealous thing will happen, but if Kyouko avoids Ren, like it's been shown, he's not the type to flinch unless *she's* in danger... Thus, I think the more likely plot will be the reverse!! Look at how Nakamura does her manga. She goes for things that *move the guys* to action giving Kyouko time to heal. Which is wise.

My best guess is that Kyouko will have to do a kissing scene with a guy that's neither Shou or Ren and this will cause her to have massive problems. This will cause both men to act more and we'll get closer to the finish. Because Nakamura-sensei has been floating that over our heads in the background too. Kyouko *has* to be able to do a romance scene.

And I don't think Ren is the type to confess until he's sure Kyouko is ready to hear it and he's ready to say it. Kyouko tried to avoid him before after thinking he found out about her lie and he didn't seem to even flinch. I don't think he'd flinch now... but seeing Kyouko act with a guy in a kissing scene, that's like jealousy on 2 levels. 1. She's with another guy. 2. Who is she *really* thinking about when she's practicing the kissing with the guy? Him or Shou.... ^_^ I think this is a far more dynamic plot for the growth arcs of all of the characters. It'll also force Kyouko to face herself.


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yes!!!!!!!!! i'm by your side too. i wish that kyoko will end up with shou.


Please support this instead of double posting and saying random stuff that looks a little bit trollish. I respect differing opinions, but I dislike unsupported ones. As Shou stands, he's still a jerk and a manipulative abusive one.

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Hitsuji wrote:

I think the kiss-jealous thing will happen, but if Kyouko avoids Ren, like it's been shown, he's not the type to flinch unless *she's* in danger... Thus, I think the more likely plot will be the reverse!! Look at how Nakamura does her manga. She goes for things that *move the guys* to action giving Kyouko time to heal. Which is wise.

My best guess is that Kyouko will have to do a kissing scene with a guy that's neither Shou or Ren and this will cause her to have massive problems. This will cause both men to act more and we'll get closer to the finish. Because Nakamura-sensei has been floating that over our heads in the background too. Kyouko *has* to be able to do a romance scene.

And I don't think Ren is the type to confess until he's sure Kyouko is ready to hear it and he's ready to say it. Kyouko tried to avoid him before after thinking he found out about her lie and he didn't seem to even flinch. I don't think he'd flinch now... but seeing Kyouko act with a guy in a kissing scene, that's like jealousy on 2 levels. 1. She's with another guy. 2. Who is she *really* thinking about when she's practicing the kissing with the guy? Him or Shou.... ^_^ I think this is a far more dynamic plot for the growth arcs of all of the characters. It'll also force Kyouko to face herself.


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yes!!!!!!!!! i'm by your side too. i wish that kyoko will end up with shou.


Please support this instead of double posting and saying random stuff that looks a little bit trollish. I respect differing opinions, but I dislike unsupported ones. As Shou stands, he's still a jerk and a manipulative abusive one.



Bravo!! to both Hitsuji and atlantagoddess


and to those who are just giving one liners... shaaaaame!! Write a bit more - a sentence or two would do very nicely!!

But back to the additional points made by atlantagoddess and Hitsuji...
- atlantagoddess - I like what you wrote about the "someone" seeing "someone" kiss or do a love scene... it makes sense and it will probably happen
- Hitsuji - you make a very good point about it probably being Kyoko who is the one doing the scene and the boys who will get insanely jealous over whoever the actor in the scene with her may be...

...or... she could be put into another music video... with BEAGLE - hehehe - and have to kiss him... eeek!! that would be interesting not... but if it were to happen... well lets just say that Ren and Shou would probably work together to skin the guy alive and nail him to a wall for display...
...anyways, back to where I was... I must agree with the comment that Nakamura-sensei (yeah, I've stopped calling her "the mangaka" - I suppose it was time) really makes the guys work hard at adapting to the current situation and puts them through the wringer... hehe poor boys... still... I believe it will be Ren who makes the biggest move soon... well, hopefully soon... and hopefully not soon because that would be the end... hmm... catch-22?


Good Job to everyone so far posting in-depth comments... I like how our conversation is going and how we're kinda playing a game of poker and raising the stakes with each additional comment and theory that is backed by a nice thought-process :D

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hey hitsuji please respect other's opinion and by the way i'm not the unsupported type as you addressed me.
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Aw, yay! I was praised! I feel like a pet...oddly, I'm okay with that! And I like the idea you put, krissyanean, about her being in a PV for Beagle! Now THAT would be interesting! And we all know Nakamura-sensei won't forget about Beagle. The issue with him is unresolved so far, and Nakamura-sensei isn't one to leave loose ends. Look at her, still going on with the Dark Moon drama shoot even in volume seventeen, even though the arc ended a few volumes ago! So we all know we'll be seeing Beagle again. And I believe it is Ren's turn to deal with Beagle. I want to see him give Reino the ol' one-two! Hi-yah!
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kyrissanean wrote:

...anyways, back to where I was... I must agree with the comment that Nakamura-sensei (yeah, I've stopped calling her "the mangaka" - I suppose it was time) really makes the guys work hard at adapting to the current situation and puts them through the wringer... hehe poor boys... still... I believe it will be Ren who makes the biggest move soon... well, hopefully soon... and hopefully not soon because that would be the end... hmm... catch-22?


Nakamura-sensei is also going slow because she has other arcs to deal with besides the romance. She has an acting arc, a show biz arc, a music business arc, a Kyouko must heal arc, a Ren's past arc, a Kyouko Past arc, and something to make Shou more rounded arc to work on. If you think the manga is slow, she has lots to balance.



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hey hitsuji please respect other's opinion and by the way i'm not the unsupported type as you addressed me.


Another one liner. I issued you a challenge!! You said "I support Shou too." I'm not being a rabid RxK fan I'm asking you to support your points instead of doing one-liners. For example, saying in X chapter Kyouko feels X and this is ahead of Ren because of X, which is why I feel that Shou should get Kyouko. That's fine. I respect others opinions, but not when they lack the effort to type up support for their position. Which you did not do when you double posted the same post. Add to the discussion please instead of stating a random opinion.

Kyouko also has a pretty shallow view of love... ^^;; So it's not *that* hard to argue for Shou based on that fact. But I am not the type to do it for you.
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first of all i didn't posted double .it was updated automatically .i wasn't even online that time and another thing i would like to say that it's not your business how much i write if it is one line or not.i write as much as i like . PLEASE DON'T WRITE OR REPLY TO ME AGAIN.
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well i dont know what to say after reading all that but my point of view that sho is basicly a bad person but in the end he falls in love with the true kyoko and relizes her value just like the vedio topic *a devil falling in love with an angel* despite all that i dont think they'll end together becase he was so mean to her for so long and he is not trust worthy and he falls in love with her back just to get kyoko's wright and degnity back and she will end with ren because she deserves the best but that doesnt mean that she will stay maen to sho they'll just become friends
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well i dont know what to say after reading all that but my point of view that sho is basicly a bad person but in the end he falls in love with the true kyoko and relizes her value just like the vedio topic *a devil falling in love with an angel* despite all that i dont think they'll end together becase he was so mean to her for so long and he is not trust worthy and he falls in love with her back just to get kyoko's wright and degnity back and she will end with ren because she deserves the best but that doesnt mean that she will stay maen to sho they'll just become friends


well yes i agree with you 100% that shou do alot of bad things to kyoko but i think deep inside him he really feels about her and he doesn't realise it yet because for now he is childish. in my opinion i wish that in the end sho do something for her to show her how much he cares and loves her and apologize to her. most of the anime meany guys turn into kind and sweet character like naoki in itazura na kiss and there is lot more like that.
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kay okay Ren is not an ass but if i was to meet a guy like him in real life i would think he is an ASS. but i still don't think he is hiding it from her that he is kuon. Its like he doesn't need to tell her and plus no one asks him if they met before. I betcha if someone did ask he would say that they met a really long time ago.

Shou is a narcissist and he can't help it, that is how he shows his affection towards other people. He was raised that way. When he was a kid all people did was praised him and admired him so he can't help it if he is like this.
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atalantagoddess wrote:

Aw, yay! I was praised! I feel like a pet...oddly, I'm okay with that! And I like the idea you put, krissyanean, about her being in a PV for Beagle! Now THAT would be interesting! And we all know Nakamura-sensei won't forget about Beagle. The issue with him is unresolved so far, and Nakamura-sensei isn't one to leave loose ends. Look at her, still going on with the Dark Moon drama shoot even in volume seventeen, even though the arc ended a few volumes ago! So we all know we'll be seeing Beagle again. And I believe it is Ren's turn to deal with Beagle. I want to see him give Reino the ol' one-two! Hi-yah!


...I'm just trying to show my appreciation for all of those submitting comments that are thoughtful and backed up by some kind of reasoning - hehe - the way I see it, the more support/praise you get, the better chance that you continue doing a good job with comments that are worth reading and have some thought put into them
... plus maybe the pet would be this topic that I posted... I seem to come to check on it much too often.. hehehe... I mean, just look at how its growing day by day ;D



Hitsuji wrote:

Nakamura-sensei is also going slow because she has other arcs to deal with besides the romance. She has an acting arc, a show biz arc, a music business arc, a Kyouko must heal arc, a Ren's past arc, a Kyouko Past arc, and something to make Shou more rounded arc to work on. If you think the manga is slow, she has lots to balance.


Yup... that is a lot to handle... but I am really liking the depth to the story and the amount of effort Nakamura-sensei is putting in... it is really making the story come alive and the characters seem very human/real... I don't know if I would be following the story if it was flat and dull... I like all the unexpected turns and the excitement of guessing what will happen next... and of course this dialogue that we all have going here is really nice to because bouncing back ideas off of each other can bring forth new predictions that you may have not even thought of yourself


eehc wrote:

kay okay Ren is not an ass but if i was to meet a guy like him in real life i would think he is an ASS. but i still don't think he is hiding it from her that he is kuon. Its like he doesn't need to tell her and plus no one asks him if they met before. I betcha if someone did ask he would say that they met a really long time ago.

Shou is a narcissist and he can't help it, that is how he shows his affection towards other people. He was raised that way. When he was a kid all people did was praised him and admired him so he can't help it if he is like this.


Hmm... well, I do agree that Ren has issues - mostly though, he is too focused on proving himself in the acting world, and YES that is what he is doing because he CHANGED his name and is NOT going by his father's name... which kinda makes me wonder... IS that a type of revenge? (only to a degree - he is saying "NEENER NEENER DADDY! LOOK WHAT I CAN DO") ...because he is showing his father that he too can do it and he can do it without any help from dear ol' Dad... and maybe the fact that he cut himself off from emotions and family ties so much is why he kept warning Kyoko that doing it for revenge is not cool... that and the fact that you should have more reasoning behind trying to make your way to the top



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too complicated.
sho vs. ren?
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You know, I think you're right. Ren changing his name and going to Japan to act is kind of a way to stick his tounge in his father's face and say, "Hey, Dad, look at that! I can do it just like you, and better, too!"

On the topic of who will end up with Kyoko, I do hope it's Ren, and Nakamura-sensei seems to be aiming the manga towards that ending, but it's still open right now. A song by Taylor Swift says it best, "He is sensible and so incredible, and all my single friends are jealous, he says everything I need to hear and it's like I couldn't ask for anything better...but I miss screaming and fighting and kissing in the rain, and it's 2 a.m. and I'm cursing you're name...and that's the way I loved you...I never knew I could feel that much...and that's the way I loved you..." This song makes me think that yeah, maybe Kyoko could end up with Sho. A lot of people want her to end up with Ren, but Sho has an equal number of supporters. Ren is kind and caring, he knows Kyoko needs space, time to heal, support, and love, and he's willing to give it to her. But Sho is the scar on her heart that she can't heal. She loved him so much that when he broke her heart she began to hate him just that much. Kyoko is one to give everything for what she feels, and she hates Sho with every fiber of her being. Hatred is just one step away from love.
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I call dibs on Ren at the end of the series if he's not with Kyouko. ^.~ Haha.

Kyouko may have loved Shou a lot, but I still feel that what she felt for Shou wasn't really love and there is that arc going through Ren right now too.

Real love is being able to talk as equals and know each other's true thoughts and feelings (from a Japanese POV), but Kyouko didn't even have that. She didn't know that Shou was using her, she didn't know she was just following him around but he didn't like her. She didn't know she was drowning her sorrow in Shou. That's not love. That's more like a crush. And while she really did like him in a way more than Ren ever understood with his previous girlfriends, she didn't really find out what true love was. I think Nakamura-sensei is aiming towards that goal. In that sense while Shou occupies her thoughts, Ren is just a tiny bit ahead of Shou.

As Shou is now manga and anime he's not fit for Kyouko so I'm predicting that Nakamura-sensei will do something to rattle him... 'cause if he is to have Kyouko he has to grow up quite a bit.

Also Kyouko needs some maturing too... 'cause she thinks that the opposite of love is hate, but as said in many-a-drama, it's not hate, it's indifference. If she can earn that indifference for Shou then she will have healed. (Shou will have to reverse her feelings).
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atalantagoddess wrote:

You know, I think you're right. Ren changing his name and going to Japan to act is kind of a way to stick his tounge in his father's face and say, "Hey, Dad, look at that! I can do it just like you, and better, too!"

On the topic of who will end up with Kyoko, I do hope it's Ren, and Nakamura-sensei seems to be aiming the manga towards that ending, but it's still open right now. A song by Taylor Swift says it best, "He is sensible and so incredible, and all my single friends are jealous, he says everything I need to hear and it's like I couldn't ask for anything better...but I miss screaming and fighting and kissing in the rain, and it's 2 a.m. and I'm cursing you're name...and that's the way I loved you...I never knew I could feel that much...and that's the way I loved you..." This song makes me think that yeah, maybe Kyoko could end up with Sho. A lot of people want her to end up with Ren, but Sho has an equal number of supporters. Ren is kind and caring, he knows Kyoko needs space, time to heal, support, and love, and he's willing to give it to her. But Sho is the scar on her heart that she can't heal. She loved him so much that when he broke her heart she began to hate him just that much. Kyoko is one to give everything for what she feels, and she hates Sho with every fiber of her being. Hatred is just one step away from love.


:) I hope that Ren does find what he is looking for when he set out to create "REN" and decided to pursue his acting career... the thing I hope he finds is Kyouko
...but ...



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I call dibs on Ren at the end of the series if he's not with Kyouko. ^.~ Haha.

Kyouko may have loved Shou a lot, but I still feel that what she felt for Shou wasn't really love and there is that arc going through Ren right now too.

Real love is being able to talk as equals and know each other's true thoughts and feelings (from a Japanese POV), but Kyouko didn't even have that. She didn't know that Shou was using her, she didn't know she was just following him around but he didn't like her. She didn't know she was drowning her sorrow in Shou. That's not love. That's more like a crush. And while she really did like him in a way more than Ren ever understood with his previous girlfriends, she didn't really find out what true love was. I think Nakamura-sensei is aiming towards that goal. In that sense while Shou occupies her thoughts, Ren is just a tiny bit ahead of Shou.

As Shou is now manga and anime he's not fit for Kyouko so I'm predicting that Nakamura-sensei will do something to rattle him... 'cause if he is to have Kyouko he has to grow up quite a bit.

Also Kyouko needs some maturing too... 'cause she thinks that the opposite of love is hate, but as said in many-a-drama, it's not hate, it's indifference. If she can earn that indifference for Shou then she will have healed. (Shou will have to reverse her feelings).


Well I call dibs on Kuon if he doesn't get Kyouko (but I hope he does - I'm still cheering for that pairing)

...but I have to agree a little with this point of view - I think that what Kyoko was feeling towards Shou was familiarity and maybe when he asked her to go to Tokyo (which I believe is the first time she considered the possibility of him being her "boyfriend," before he was kind of the boy who was "there"...) she chose to go with him because she subconsciously saw a WAY OUT of the role that she was in, the role of servant at the inn...and eventually the idea of marrying the son of the house...and the reason she stayed with him for a long time and let him walk all over her was because of that familiarity... I think we all know how easy it is to get stuck in a rut and because its the easy way, we choose to stick with it... sometimes for longer than is good for us simply because its comfortable and familiar and the other option is too scary/stressful/risky...
I think that once all of the dust settles and everyone matures and reaches the goals they set out to reach that Kyouko will end up with Kuon... and that's because he really does want the best for her... although I hope that it doesn't end up like the saying "If you love something, set it free...If it comes back, it's yours, If it doesn't, it never was yours...." and she doesn't come back to Kuon... she needs to come back if he lets her go to find her true self


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