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Let's Do Our Part To Save Anime Subculture And Change The DMCA
Posted 2/8/09

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DomFortress wrote:


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AnimeKami wrote:

who voted the black man in >.>

seriously democrats lost is for a stronger state government not federal >.>

And now you got a government that's willing to listen to you and eager to make changes for the better, instead of one that can only maintain the status quote. So it is in your best interest to take advantage of this situation, and do something for yours and your community's sake. It's your government, and it finally took a black president to make sure it stays that way by those who voted for him.


I like Obama even though I'm not interested that much in politics I hope he makes huge changes here in the next few years maybe this country will actually move forward to a bright and happy future. I hated George Bush I'm glad someone I finally like is president now..... although something has been bugging me I'm worried b/c what if the KKK (stupid racists bastards plus their outfits freak me out) tries do something?

Offtopic: I'm happy I just looked at Bandai's YT channel and they are starting to upload episodes of Code Geass in both Japanese w/eng subs and English dub plus what makes it better is that in the opening they put both Romaji and English lyrics (so I can actually sing along lol)! I hope they upload some Gundam SEED and Gundam 00!!

I've read his books, and now I'm reading on a book about his wife. Their ideas are simply ground breaking to say the least.

I didn't like politics before, because back then it was filled with so much BS and smear campaigns it felt like choosing the lesser of two evils whenever it's time for election in Canada. But now the US has got a president that they can be proud of, and I for one am happy of their success.

On topic: The section 512 of the DMCA renders the law too passive when it comes to enforcing the Copyright Act on the OSP, this makes OSP who provide file sharing services like P2P and bit torrents as legal channels for illegal file trafficking. While at the same time these OSP are gaining profits from those who use their services to access illegal files. Internet steaming sites that host user submitted contents are also in a bind due to this law when it comes to removing illegal contents, because they can't do it without first receiving authentic C & D order from the original copyright holders or licensees.

Furthermore, the OSP are using some of the latest SSL encrypted file transfer channels for illegal file sharing. Normally this method of encryption is for protecting personal banking file transfers, but the OSP are applying this security measure to cover up their traffics, and thus makes file sharing detections even harder to trace.


um I'm confused are you saying the Bandai's YT channel might be an illegal channel or something if you are then I have proof its not well if thats not what you're talking about I apologize in advance cause I haven't been feeling good all day and I can't think straight......

http://www.animenewsnetwork.com/news/2009-02-07/bandai-entertainment-streams-code-geass-on-youtube

As long as the original copyright holders and licensees are the ones releasing and distributing the intellectual properties willingly and legally, then OSP like Youtube and CR are not illegal because the contents they're hosting are 100% legitimate from the creators themselves. Therefore in the case of Code Geass on YouTube from Bandai Entertainment, since the licensee of Code Geass was the one providing the legitimate contents hosted by Youtube, there's no copyright infringement.

However, the DMCA section 512 is creating a loophole for those other OSP that are hosting illegal digital duplicates of copyrighted & licensed intellectual properties. It is just like the name of the law itself suggested: The Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act. The law is basically letting the private sectors like OSP getting away with copyright infringement, even though they're internet end users just like the rest of us in the online community. They're making excuses for themselves with that law just because they can afford to do so, and that's unconstitutional according to The Declaration of Independence; which was the first constitutional law of US on July 4th 1776: http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.htm

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


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iTs all about BARACK OBAMA!!! XD
Posted 2/8/09 , edited 2/8/09

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truly don't know what to say but if it is for the good then so be it if not then o well i can;t do much i seriously can't, so hope it doesn't come to that.


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DomFortress wrote:


AnimeKami wrote:

who voted the black man in >.>

seriously democrats lost is for a stronger state government not federal >.>

And now you got a government that's willing to listen to you and eager to make changes for the better, instead of one that can only maintain the status quote. So it is in your best interest to take advantage of this situation, and do something for yours and your community's sake. It's your government, and it finally took a black president to make sure it stays that way by those who voted for him.


Take this the wrong way if you wish....I find it funny that you seem to think that a change in administrations is going to lead to a change in the way business is handled in Washington. Besides, there are other much more important issues on that mans plate than making changes to a law you don't agree with.


May I remind you that it is stated by The Declaration of Independence, that anyone can question and challenge the US government for a US law that is unconstitutional: http://www.ushistory.org/declaration/document/index.htm

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.


So in the case of digital copyright infringement of internet anime piracy using online file sharing and streaming services provided by private sectors like OSP, illegal digital duplications of copyrighted & licensed intellectual properties, with explicit contents that's both harmful and dangerous to the safety and happiness of internet users worldwide, are being released and distributed over the internet, with high level of SSL encryption that's making traffic regulations of said illegal digital contents almost impossible.

Furthermore, the unregulated releases and distributions of illegal digital duplications of copyrighted & licensed intellectual properties over the internet, using online file sharing and streaming services provided by private sectors like OSP, are harming and damaging the legal copyright holders and licensees of the original intellectual properties.

Finally, the unregulated releases and distributions of illegal digital duplications of copyrighted & licensed intellectual properties over the internet, using online file sharing and streaming services provided by private sectors like OSP, are making intellectual property theft appears to be acceptable and even popular among the internet users worldwide. This is both harmful and dangerous to the civility and morality of today's internet users.

So why should the private sectors like OSP in the US be excused by a US law that's in every sense of the word unconstitutional, when their online file sharing and streaming services had such a big part in harming and damaging the safety and happiness of our worldwide community?
Posted 2/8/09

Miichiru wrote:

iTs all about BARACK OBAMA!!! XD

It is about understanding and changing the world to "as it should be", not just simply accepting the world "as it is".
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Posted 2/8/09

DomFortress wrote:


Miichiru wrote:

iTs all about BARACK OBAMA!!! XD

It is about understanding and changing the world to "as it should be", not just simply accepting the world "as it is".


YUP YUP UR RIGHT!!! JUSTICE, FREEDOM, NO CRIME!! NO POVERTY!!!
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Posted 2/8/09

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Thanks to President Obama, there is now a call from the White House for a change in better policies(http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/), and there's this one policy that's in dire need of a change, the DMCA.

To be frank, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act Title II, The Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act, aka section 512(http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/512.html), is a poor policy that's allowing the OSP in the US to neglect their civil & moral obligation of upholding the Copyright Act and subsequently the Constitution, all for the sake of profit margin. While letting OSP off the hooks, section 512 also placed the burden to uphold the Copyright Act on the general users, who often as anime fans don't know any better, and on the original copyright holders and licensees; which in the case of anime industry who have just entered the online distribution, but are seriously lacking the resources to enforce the Copyright Act on their own.

Like it or not, private sectors like the OSP are a part of the global community that is the internet consisting of end users worldwide, therefore they shouldn't be excused of their civil & moral obligations to uphold the law within their jurisdiction, and neither should we. The current DMCA is allowing unfair practice due to poor moral sense, and a double standard between the OSP and the general users in the US. This makes bad businesses and even poorer example of civility & morality. The DMCA should focus on reinforcing Copyright Act within its jurisdiction, not letting people to get away from breaking the law just because they can afford to do so.

Can anyone please explain me what is his argument?
Is his argument if President Obama will be a good or bad Pres?

Posted 2/8/09

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DomFortress wrote:

Thanks to President Obama, there is now a call from the White House for a change in better policies(http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/), and there's this one policy that's in dire need of a change, the DMCA.

To be frank, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act Title II, The Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act, aka section 512(http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/512.html), is a poor policy that's allowing the OSP in the US to neglect their civil & moral obligation of upholding the Copyright Act and subsequently the Constitution, all for the sake of profit margin. While letting OSP off the hooks, section 512 also placed the burden to uphold the Copyright Act on the general users, who often as anime fans don't know any better, and on the original copyright holders and licensees; which in the case of anime industry who have just entered the online distribution, but are seriously lacking the resources to enforce the Copyright Act on their own.

Like it or not, private sectors like the OSP are a part of the global community that is the internet consisting of end users worldwide, therefore they shouldn't be excused of their civil & moral obligations to uphold the law within their jurisdiction, and neither should we. The current DMCA is allowing unfair practice due to poor moral sense, and a double standard between the OSP and the general users in the US. This makes bad businesses and even poorer example of civility & morality. The DMCA should focus on reinforcing Copyright Act within its jurisdiction, not letting people to get away from breaking the law just because they can afford to do so.

Can anyone please explain me what is his argument?
Is his argument if President Obama will be a good or bad Pres?


Just read the bold sentences. It should be self-explanatory enough even if you're not a law student; just like I'm not a lawyer and I can still tell the difference on laws that should be fair and just, as oppose to the rest that are unconstitutional as they are.

My opinion regarding President Obama is not even the topic of matter. What matter now is your action towards a US government that's stated as it should be in the US Constitution. President Obama is only here to remind us all of that.
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Lets Capitalize Every Word Because It Looks So Much More Nicy?
Posted 2/8/09

Julmabob wrote:

Lets Capitalize Every Word Because It Looks So Much More Nicy?


Yes it does. Doesn't it just make you feel more intelligent?
Posted 2/8/09

Julmabob wrote:

Lets Capitalize Every Word Because It Looks So Much More Nicy?

That's the proper English grammar to present a topic title, and only for the title.

Also, just what's the relevant of your last statement regarding my argument on the DMCA section 512?
Posted 2/8/09

SamTyler wrote:


Julmabob wrote:

Lets Capitalize Every Word Because It Looks So Much More Nicy?


Yes it does. Doesn't it just make you feel more intelligent?

It's not just to make one feel better, it's the proper English grammar for presenting a topic title.

And BTW, anything else you would like to share regarding my argument on the DMCA section 512, as stated in my topic of discussion for this thread?
Posted 2/8/09

SamTyler wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


SamTyler wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


SamTyler wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


SamTyler wrote:


Julmabob wrote:

Lets Capitalize Every Word Because It Looks So Much More Nicy?


Yes it does. Doesn't it just make you feel more intelligent?

It's not just to make one feel better, it's the proper English grammar for presenting a topic title.

And BTW, anything else you would like to share regarding my argument on the DMCA section 512, as stated in my topic of discussion for this thread?


Did you not take me seriously? I sometimes capitalize every word also. I wasn't saying that it's to make someone feel better.

Indeed I did, which is why I responded to your statement, even though it had nothing to do with the topic of my argument, the DMCA. Also, using proper English grammar when conducting a conversation in English does make one feel good, because it shows a sense of honer & respect to yourself, to each others, and to the English language culture.


Who ever said that it makes one feel good anyway?

Before I continue our off topic discussion, is there anything you would like to add to the topic matter of my thread, which is the unfair, unjust, uncivil and immoral practice of the DMCA section 512 on anime subcultural community? And if you don't, then I've no choice but to disengage our discussion because I do take my thread seriously.


Be sure to get concrete details before you state something next time. Also be sure to answer questions directed towards you and try not to change the subject.

What is it that you find in my statement regarding DMCA section 512 that needs further concrete details?
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Posted 2/8/09

DomFortress wrote:

Are you saying that helping kids and teens to understand civility, morality, fairness and justice is a waste of time? Well I say it's only those who failed to understand civility, morality, fairness and justice when they were kids and teens, would even consider that education is a complete waste of time.


Probably not, but you don´t try to teach them, you try to force them by dragging it into every single thread you can.

And it´s hard to agree with you when most of them can´t get the Anime any other way than fansubs because of the huge prices on DVD´s


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Or are you saying that kid and teens aren't smart nor mature enough, therefore their opinions are irrelevant to what matters to their welfare, even though you yourself is a minor by legal definition?


They probably don´t care what fansubs do, most of them can only see Anime that way.
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Dom, Rex.... Stop.
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call me stupid but what is the point that this thread maker is trying to make? i read the OP a few times but didnt quite understand what he was trying to get at. can someone like simpilfy what he is trying to say?
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