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Let's Do Our Part To Save Anime Subculture And Change The DMCA
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Just a random question.

Did you attend AE (Anime Evolution) last year?
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OSP is an abbreviation stands for Online Service Providers in internet terms. They're privately own businesses(private sectors) and they operate by providing online services like file transferring, video streaming, uploading/downloading, blogging and more to the internet users, and in terms collecting a fee for using the services that they provided. However to this day, there are internet users committing intellectual property theft, by illegally duplicate, release, and distribute copyrighted & licensed materials using the above mentioned online services available from the OSP. And the DMCA section 512 are excusing the OSP for not self regulate the illegal content that they're hosting, even though they're not the ones who put the illegal contents on the internet in the first place. But just because they're earning money for only providing services, doesn't mean that they shouldn't be responsible for their actions, when they're allowing others to commit crimes by using their services unregulated. That's like a gun shop owner selling guns to a murderer, and knowing that the said murderer will be using the gun for no good but doesn't speak up, because the owner doesn't want to loose a sale.

The DMCA section 512 clearly stated that as long as the OSP doesn't received an official cease and desist order(C &D) from the original copyright holders or the licensees, the OSP can keep hosting the illegal copyright infringing files as long as they want, while keep all the profits that they earned even after they removed the illegal contents. And at the same time the OSP are just like the general internet users like us, who are internet users that had to subscribe their internet usage from internet service providers(ISP). But the DMCA section 512 is treating the OSP like a special group, even though they shouldn't be treated differently for not doing a good thing, and that's a double standard.


ahhhh now it makes sense i understand now ok ya i agree with u.... but how can u stop it or enforce it? its like the Prohibition Amendment. it said no more making, selling, or drinking of any thing alcoholic but ppl still made, sold, and drank it has though it wasnt there.

unless it threatens our very way of life to a drastic degree, theres a lot of money to b made while being as easy as flipping a switch, or its absolutely required in this ever changing world of technology... it will most likely not change anytime soon sry to say.
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Tsubasa_Lover_4Ever wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


Kr3w wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


Kr3w wrote:

Question for you.

If l rip a dvd that l bought and use it for my own reason.

Does that make it "Fair use"?

That depends on what you use it for, because with the purchase of your legit anime medias comes a limited license for you to watch it and show it domestically for none-profit purpose. And basically no legitimate intellectual properties allow duplication or alteration in their limited license.


Alteration meaning fix the size they made the dvd 720/480 instead of 848?

I must say that the dvd quality sucks without filters

If you don't redistribute the altered medias and strictly keep them for private showing, providing the fact that you can prove them all on both counts, then it is fair use for scholarship and research purposes.


um I always wanted to ask this but are AMVS illegal and if they are then why do they hold AMV contests at anime conventions and if someone rips episodes off DVDs and creates an AMV is that considered illegal too? Cause your not selling or profiting from it....

Well the purpose of AMV itself defeats the meaning of "fair use", when AMV are being shown in open public. Therefore proper credits of the original anime creators should always be shown in AMV. And IMHO that's only barely maintaining an act of civility, I can't say for sure it will stand in a court of law. OH and good luck making your AMV.


thank you I will try I just hope Bandai releases the Code Geass R2 boxset by then or Gundam 00 boxset cause I have a really good song that might fit well with either of these two anime
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Thanks to President Obama, there is now a call from the White House for a change in better policies(http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/), and there's this one policy that's in dire need of a change, the DMCA.

To be frank, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act Title II, The Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act, aka section 512(http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/512.html), is a poor policy that's allowing the OSP in the US to neglect their civil & moral obligation of upholding the Copyright Act and subsequently the Constitution, all for the sake of profit margin. While letting OSP off the hooks, section 512 also placed the burden to uphold the Copyright Act on the general users, who often as anime fans don't know any better, and on the original copyright holders and licensees; which in the case of anime industry who have just entered the online distribution, but are seriously lacking the resources to enforce the Copyright Act on their own.

Like it or not, private sectors like the OSP are a part of the global community that is the internet consisting of end users worldwide, therefore they shouldn't be excused of their civil & moral obligations to uphold the law within their jurisdiction, and neither should we. The current DMCA is allowing unfair practice due to poor moral sense, and a double standard between the OSP and the general users in the US. This makes bad businesses and even poorer example of civility & morality. The DMCA should focus on reinforcing Copyright Act within its jurisdiction, not letting people to get away from breaking the law just because they can afford to do so.


Hmm..... For all these drama, I already understand what it is....

Hmm..... Just like in my country... The Intellectual Property Code or Republic Act No. 8293

Hmm..... It's hard to fight, hmm....

Posted 2/9/09

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Just a random question.

Did you attend AE (Anime Evolution) last year?

Yes, unfortunately. I was a regular ever since '04, but ever since '06 the convention itself has gone wrong. And I believe I know the reasons why.
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ahhhh now it makes sense i understand now ok ya i agree with u.... but how can u stop it or enforce it? its like the Prohibition Amendment. it said no more making, selling, or drinking of any thing alcoholic but ppl still made, sold, and drank it has though it wasnt there.

unless it threatens our very way of life to a drastic degree, theres a lot of money to b made while being as easy as flipping a switch, or its absolutely required in this ever changing world of technology... it will most likely not change anytime soon sry to say.

Which is why I brought out President Obama as an opening statement in my original post in the first place, for this is the declaration that the White House made on their website: http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/

President Obama is committed to creating the most open and accessible administration in American history. To send questions, comments, concerns, or well-wishes to the President or his staff, please use the form below:


President Obama started as a community organizer, and he understood the importance of listening to people's concerns about their lives, in order to make changes on important policies that will help making a better community for these people. So we need to understand first and foremost that we as anime subcultural community do have a voice that can reach to other people's heart. And now it's the time to exercise our freedom of speech because:


And sure enough, the DMCA section 512 is causing great injustice worldwide, not just to our anime community and in the US:

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DomFortress wrote:

Thanks to President Obama, there is now a call from the White House for a change in better policies(http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/), and there's this one policy that's in dire need of a change, the DMCA.

To be frank, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act Title II, The Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act, aka section 512(http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/512.html), is a poor policy that's allowing the OSP in the US to neglect their civil & moral obligation of upholding the Copyright Act and subsequently the Constitution, all for the sake of profit margin. While letting OSP off the hooks, section 512 also placed the burden to uphold the Copyright Act on the general users, who often as anime fans don't know any better, and on the original copyright holders and licensees; which in the case of anime industry who have just entered the online distribution, but are seriously lacking the resources to enforce the Copyright Act on their own.

Like it or not, private sectors like the OSP are a part of the global community that is the internet consisting of end users worldwide, therefore they shouldn't be excused of their civil & moral obligations to uphold the law within their jurisdiction, and neither should we. The current DMCA is allowing unfair practice due to poor moral sense, and a double standard between the OSP and the general users in the US. This makes bad businesses and even poorer example of civility & morality. The DMCA should focus on reinforcing Copyright Act within its jurisdiction, not letting people to get away from breaking the law just because they can afford to do so.


Hmm..... For all these drama, I already understand what it is....

Hmm..... Just like in my country... The Intellectual Property Code or Republic Act No. 8293

Hmm..... It's hard to fight, hmm....


I had a quick glance on the R.A. 8293, The Intellectual Property Code of Philippine. And I don't see anything unconstitutional in that law. Therefore the real problem is the general lack of respect by the people of Philippine with their law. The law itself isn't unconstitutional, it's the general people's attitude towards it.
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DomFortress wrote:


KainRHeinlein wrote:


DomFortress wrote:

Thanks to President Obama, there is now a call from the White House for a change in better policies(http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/), and there's this one policy that's in dire need of a change, the DMCA.

To be frank, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act Title II, The Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act, aka section 512(http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/512.html), is a poor policy that's allowing the OSP in the US to neglect their civil & moral obligation of upholding the Copyright Act and subsequently the Constitution, all for the sake of profit margin. While letting OSP off the hooks, section 512 also placed the burden to uphold the Copyright Act on the general users, who often as anime fans don't know any better, and on the original copyright holders and licensees; which in the case of anime industry who have just entered the online distribution, but are seriously lacking the resources to enforce the Copyright Act on their own.

Like it or not, private sectors like the OSP are a part of the global community that is the internet consisting of end users worldwide, therefore they shouldn't be excused of their civil & moral obligations to uphold the law within their jurisdiction, and neither should we. The current DMCA is allowing unfair practice due to poor moral sense, and a double standard between the OSP and the general users in the US. This makes bad businesses and even poorer example of civility & morality. The DMCA should focus on reinforcing Copyright Act within its jurisdiction, not letting people to get away from breaking the law just because they can afford to do so.


Hmm..... For all these drama, I already understand what it is....

Hmm..... Just like in my country... The Intellectual Property Code or Republic Act No. 8293

Hmm..... It's hard to fight, hmm....


I had a quick glance on the R.A. 8293, The Intellectual Property Code of Philippine. And I don't see anything unconstitutional in that law. Therefore the real problem is the general lack of respect by the people of Philippine with their law. The law itself isn't unconstitutional, it's the general people's attitude towards it.


Hmm.... To be honest.... I totally agree....

Posted 2/10/09

KainRHeinlein wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


KainRHeinlein wrote:


DomFortress wrote:

Thanks to President Obama, there is now a call from the White House for a change in better policies(http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/), and there's this one policy that's in dire need of a change, the DMCA.

To be frank, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act Title II, The Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act, aka section 512(http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/512.html), is a poor policy that's allowing the OSP in the US to neglect their civil & moral obligation of upholding the Copyright Act and subsequently the Constitution, all for the sake of profit margin. While letting OSP off the hooks, section 512 also placed the burden to uphold the Copyright Act on the general users, who often as anime fans don't know any better, and on the original copyright holders and licensees; which in the case of anime industry who have just entered the online distribution, but are seriously lacking the resources to enforce the Copyright Act on their own.

Like it or not, private sectors like the OSP are a part of the global community that is the internet consisting of end users worldwide, therefore they shouldn't be excused of their civil & moral obligations to uphold the law within their jurisdiction, and neither should we. The current DMCA is allowing unfair practice due to poor moral sense, and a double standard between the OSP and the general users in the US. This makes bad businesses and even poorer example of civility & morality. The DMCA should focus on reinforcing Copyright Act within its jurisdiction, not letting people to get away from breaking the law just because they can afford to do so.


Hmm..... For all these drama, I already understand what it is....

Hmm..... Just like in my country... The Intellectual Property Code or Republic Act No. 8293

Hmm..... It's hard to fight, hmm....


I had a quick glance on the R.A. 8293, The Intellectual Property Code of Philippine. And I don't see anything unconstitutional in that law. Therefore the real problem is the general lack of respect by the people of Philippine with their law. The law itself isn't unconstitutional, it's the general people's attitude towards it.


Hmm.... To be honest.... I totally agree....


And it is unfortunate, because no matter how good a law is, if people don't respect the authority then there's nothing can be done on an already fair and just law. When people don't take responsibility of their own actions, that's when civilization ends. And this is also why we need to be constantly thinking, about who we are as individuals, as a community, as a single nation, as a global representative, as a subculture, as a subculture that belongs to a greater whole, and only to that end, we can truly discover our place in this world. We are not insignificant, however our relationship with ourselves and with each others can infinitely expand our existence.
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Posted 2/11/09 , edited 2/11/09

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DomFortress wrote:




You completely missed my point. In no way was I commenting on your right to critisize my government. You're more than welcome to say what you will, It's fine by me. What I was saying is that you're being overly optimistic to think that just because we've had a change of leadership that suddenly the system is going to change to your liking. Your words: "now you got a government that's willing to listen to you and eager to make changes for the better, instead of one that can only maintain the status quote." You're very passionate in you disapproval of file sharing. But, I see on your profile that you used to be involved in fansubbing yourself. Isn't that technicaly classified as the trafficing of copyrighted material? The same thing you're raving against the OSP's about in the first place?

But that's what was said on The Declaration of Independence, or are you doubting the most important historical document that your country, and subsequently your government is based on? What your country's current leader did was nothing different than that document had suggested, only he did it with a modern sense of understand on old value, as an interracial minority.

And what does my past history being a VHS fansubber 14 years ago, has any relevance with internet anime piracy supported by OSP, that's being left unchecked due to the DMCA section 512?


You know i have to say, by reading this thread, i can understand where you are coming from, However..... You lost your Cause to me, after reading more i felt alittle insulted...but those are just personal feelings. as Impala1 stated about you being a fansubber before, in my opinion, you are acting like a hypocrite, though your Cause is passionate and understandable, it is still really Long worded and boring and lacks the hope of stopping Anime-piracy... also, if be some luck (and i do mean luck) they you win and make anime piracy banned (that means no more free anime on internet at all what so ever) what will all the kids and young teens who like to watch free anime over the internet, not to mention the fansubbers and anime website owners do when their sites are removed and blocked? just some food for thought, though i cannot be intelluctal with my words as you can be.
Though i say this with my Post, even if i dont support your cause, i will say that i hope you can make a change no matter how small to the unmoral and unjust world this place has become Good luck in your battle.
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DomFortress wrote:


KainRHeinlein wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


KainRHeinlein wrote:


DomFortress wrote:

Thanks to President Obama, there is now a call from the White House for a change in better policies(http://www.whitehouse.gov/contact/), and there's this one policy that's in dire need of a change, the DMCA.

To be frank, the Digital Millennium Copyright Act Title II, The Online Copyright Infringement Liability Limitation Act, aka section 512(http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/17/512.html), is a poor policy that's allowing the OSP in the US to neglect their civil & moral obligation of upholding the Copyright Act and subsequently the Constitution, all for the sake of profit margin. While letting OSP off the hooks, section 512 also placed the burden to uphold the Copyright Act on the general users, who often as anime fans don't know any better, and on the original copyright holders and licensees; which in the case of anime industry who have just entered the online distribution, but are seriously lacking the resources to enforce the Copyright Act on their own.

Like it or not, private sectors like the OSP are a part of the global community that is the internet consisting of end users worldwide, therefore they shouldn't be excused of their civil & moral obligations to uphold the law within their jurisdiction, and neither should we. The current DMCA is allowing unfair practice due to poor moral sense, and a double standard between the OSP and the general users in the US. This makes bad businesses and even poorer example of civility & morality. The DMCA should focus on reinforcing Copyright Act within its jurisdiction, not letting people to get away from breaking the law just because they can afford to do so.


Hmm..... For all these drama, I already understand what it is....

Hmm..... Just like in my country... The Intellectual Property Code or Republic Act No. 8293

Hmm..... It's hard to fight, hmm....


I had a quick glance on the R.A. 8293, The Intellectual Property Code of Philippine. And I don't see anything unconstitutional in that law. Therefore the real problem is the general lack of respect by the people of Philippine with their law. The law itself isn't unconstitutional, it's the general people's attitude towards it.


Hmm.... To be honest.... I totally agree....


And it is unfortunate, because no matter how good a law is, if people don't respect the authority then there's nothing can be done on an already fair and just law. When people don't take responsibility of their own actions, that's when civilization ends. And this is also why we need to be constantly thinking, about who we are as individuals, as a community, as a single nation, as a global representative, as a subculture, as a subculture that belongs to a greater whole, and only to that end, we can truly discover our place in this world. We are not insignificant, however our relationship with ourselves and with each others can infinitely expand our existence.


You know, I like the way you think. You really have the thoughts of building a law abiding nation.

But....... Even here in my country..... they are all unstoppable here.

In the name of free anime subs... they will do anything just to watch....

Hmm..... well..... I can't do anything for them.........

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the terms are so technical... but its still none of my business Lol im not residing in the states anyway
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DomFortress wrote:

Then get this through your head; I want to change the online copyrighted & licensed intellectual properties to be released and distributed only by the copyright holders and licensees. That means all intellectual properties like anime, manga, movies, musics, books, and TV programs. Furthermore, I want to change the OSP to host only legal copies of copyrighted & licensed intellectual properties provided directly by the copyright holders and licensees. And those OSP who cannot adhere to such regulation shouldn't even be allowed to exist. That's how DMCA should be, not as the way it is now.


No wars, no poverty, no guns, no rape, no food shortage, no difference between rich and poor, no murder, no stealing and no hate.

That´s how the world should be, a place where people with different skin color, with different religions should be able to stand side by side and having a friendly talk without trying to kill each other because they are from a different country, have a different skin color or believe in a different religion.

That´s how it should be.

But the real world isn't like that, you should open your eyes to the real world and acknowledge it. Nothing will be as you want it because you think the way it is now is wrong.

And even if people actually managed to change it, it wouldnt help a bit. People would only move things to other coutries, or they would just hide it better.


DomFortress wrote:

It only takes a change of attitude by, being positive and serious about a better world as it should be, which isn't something that people like Anyien could ever understand, with his pessimistic and ignorant outlook on the world as it is.


I´m not pessimistic, i just live in the real world and acknowledge it, if you would just try to come out of your little dream world you would understand what me and the others is trying to tell you.


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And the unconstitutional DMCA section 512 is causing businesses like media retailers, licensing companies, actors, book publishers, and just about everything that have to do with intellectual property loosing jobs and profits, due to internet intellectual property theft.


The only ones having a problem that i have heard about is the Anime companies, and that´s more because of their overpriced DVD´s and purely stupid and outdated policies.

Oh, and i think the economic crises the world have right now also can be a part of it.

And here is something i actually posted in another thread that was closed down:

http://www.sankakucomplex.com/2009/02/12/bandais-youtube-code-geass-forsakes-non-us-viewers/

How can they actually expect people respect them and their products when they don´t even respect their customers.

They will never even start a fight against fansubs when their own policies are are the ones who push people to watch and/or download fansubs.
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GO BARACK OBAMA!!!
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errr..... huh?

im in the philippines so i dont give a damn....

besides.... we love our pirates here ^.^

an entire animated series (such as naruto epi 1 to the latest episode) only cost $2 here!
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