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Tsukasa and his relation to Ikuto *theories* SPOILERS!
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Posted 2/8/09 , edited 2/9/09

Hey everyone! We decided to make a group, so if you wanna discuss this with us, plz join!
http://www.crunchyroll.com/group/Shugo_Chara_Theories?src=topbar

PLZ DON'T JUST COME IN AND POST TO SAY YOU DON'T GET IT OR BASH OUR IDEAS!


This thread is mainly focusing on THEORIES based off the events of chapter 37, it began on the wall, but we wanted to honor the rules and make a thread xD

Also, we first spoke of non-Tsukasa related theories as well, so you can read them and discuss those too

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You know, has anyone thought of the possibility that there might be both Tadamu and Amuto? Like, Amu could end up with Tadase, but then move to Ikuto when that relationship ended. Just a thought...

Yea, I see what all of you are saying, and honestly, to me, the manga is definitely hinting Amuto, but I'm just worried that Ikuto will be selfless and give up Amu to make Tadase happy, cuz he's hurt him before, so I'm unsure

@AmuTsukiyomi: Ah, I see what you mean. He could give up his happiness for other people's happiness. I hope not. Everyone should deserve a happy ending ^^

raw baby: Ikuto has never really had any happiness in his life though xD. I really think he deserves Amu more :X

I think he deserves her too cuz, as I said before, Amu is making him different and able to be himself, and with her, he can smile and laugh, he can be happy with her ^^

@SilentDeath01: As much as I would hate to think it, maybe Ikuto will run away to get away from Easter, judging that he wants to be free and such. Personally I don't think he cares about school much. We rarely see him there ^^

Another question: What do you think about the Humpty Lock and Dumpty Key? When I think about it I think of the nursery rhyme. Think of the words and you'll know what I mean

All the kings horses and all the King's men, couldn't put Humpty together again Hopefully that's not refering to Ikuto and Amu lol


star-I think of the humpty dumpty sat on a wall, rhyme, and that makes me think that Amu and Ikuto are like the broken egg and I guess they're slowly connecting back together? that and, the royal garden makes me think of alice in wonderland

Maybe Tadase didn't know it was Ikuto's/Ikuto dad's to begin with? If it is Ikuto's that is

candy-sorry, I'm just shortening names cuz I end up typing to the character limit...I saw a lot and miss a lot too, I keep trying to keep up with everyone :sweatdrop: and I think the key is Ikuto's cuz it didn't fly off to Tadase

Yeah but Ikuto's dad could've given the key to Tadase's dad before he left since they were best friends after all. That's just what I think though xD

maybe ikuto's dad wanted to give it to tadase and the let ikuto steal it and that was the plan

aww by candy =( and the key belonged to Ikuto's Dad, but he left it behind and Tadase's Dad had it and gave it to Tadase, and then Ikuto takes it back and says he only took back what was his, so it's Ikuto's (sorry for spoiling)

Yeah. Judging from what I've seen in the manga, I don't think Tadase knows (if) it's Ikuto's key when it was given to him, unless I missed a page or something...

Tadase probably think it's his dad's and not Ikuto's, which is why he's annoyed that Ikuto took the key, even though it was his to begin with


star-yea I think ur right, he didn't know it belonged to Ikuto's Dad, so yea, to him, it would seem it belonged to his Dad...the question I'd like to know is, who originally owned the lock?

Woah, I never considered who owned the lock...didn't the First King have it? I'm pretty sure it was mentioned in one of the earlier eps

lol it's ok. I can't even remember what ep it was in. Talking about the lock and key just gave me another theory, but it might be considered spolier, so I'd better not post it ^^

Ok, I reckon that the Lock holds ikuto's memories (Chapter 37) and the First King kept them stored inside the Lock. Kinda weird I know, but there must be another catch to it, since there's a key as well


star-that sounds quite possible, actually, but I wonder why he kept Ikuto's memories? ...that makes me want to read the next chpt even more, and I was wondering if anyone else noticed that the first king only wrote the book, not draw it

That made me think that Ikuto drew it, for some reason...ahhh I don't wanna get in trouble, but this is such an interesting conversation :sweatdrop: and I'm not sure about Rima, but the Key helped Utau I believe


@AmuTsukiyomi: Maybe it has something to do with Easter? I heard rumors that Tsukasa may be involved with Easter, as he may of led them to Ikuto in chapter 37. But we won't know til next chapter I guess.

I guess I could see the Key helping Utau, but I've never seen her use it, if you know what I mean. Like Ikuto uses it to transform. And it could be possible that Ikuto drew it, since he stayed with Tsukasa for a while right?


Ha! Finally! Someone noticed that too! Yea, I'm suspicious of Tsukasa and the ending really makes me even more suspicious, cuz he leads Ikuto away and suddenly Easter is there...but I'm glad that someone else finally brought it up ^^

Yea, I think during his stay he drew the book, I also think he might've torn out the pages, but in another chpt and he's older, he asks why the pages are torn out, but if your memory theory is correct, he may not remember he did it


Yes, it does seem very suss. That would be a big plot twist if it happened though. How creepy would it be knowing that the enemy was working at the school the whole time? lol

Makes me wonder why they would want his memories anyway, if they actually did do that. Dang, ikuto is so complex...


Hmm well maybe Ikuto knows the truth about him and the embryo, cuz I think the pages have the truth about the embryo, so he was brainwashed by Easter and forgot?

Hmmm...maybe Ikuto knew about the Embryo, so they got rid of his memories so they could use them? But then the First King got hold of the memories and hid them in the Lock?

Okay! Onto the discussion xD

Who is Tsukasa?
Is he working for Easter?
Did he lead Easter to Ikuto?
Is he connected to the little boy?
Is he really Gozen?

aimzstar24 brought up a really good theory.
She said that Tsukasa sealed Ikuto's memories in the lock.

The question is, did he do that for a good purpose or not?
Did he want to keep the truth for himself, or did he do it to protect Ikuto?

Or is the truth and memories sealed only for the person who can unlock them, Amu?

I noticed that Tsukasa only drew the book, and since Ikuto stayed with him, I think Ikuto drew the book and tore out the pages that most likely had the truth of the embryo, but if aimzstar24's memory theory is correct, Ikuto doesn't remember he tore out the pages.

I think that Tsukasa knew Ikuto found out the truth and he hid the pages and sealed his memory.


For the original members who were involved in the discussion, please feel free to restate what I said, I tried to be as accurate as possible


I know it's different from the original post, but when I was editing the post, a large portion of it got erased so I just wrote based off memory and tried to clarify things a bit more easily for people who weren't involved in the original discussion
Posted 2/8/09
I almost forgot about that little boy. Since I haven't seen him much, he just seems irrelevant to me. But who knows? Maybe he's not even related to the plot?
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Well someone on Mangafox brought up the idea that the little boy is Tsukasa, that he wanted the embryo to be a kid again, since he says "I'm a kid too" something like that to Ikuto...it's possible, so I just wanted to include that in as well
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thats a good theory, but i think the lock has more to do than the memories. Remember it was given by the king guy i think b4 ikuto was born
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That's true, it's currently unknown just how old both the lock and key are, so I see what you're saying ^^ to me, I think that's quite possible though
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Wow. Nice theories. xD
But wait, i don't understand why Tsukasa need to seal Ikuto memories. To keep him from Easter because he knows about the Embryo? Hmmm... But Ikuto doesn't seems like he forgets about his past.. o.o;;

After reading chapter 37, its makes me believe that the key really belongs to Ikuto, because it shows Ikuto memories after the key and the lock is joined.

OH WAIT. Maybe the little boy is Gozen?! LOL. xD
But.. I don't think so.... <.<;;
Posted 2/8/09
My theory is that Ikuto found out information about the Embryo, and Easter wanted to know that information, so they took those memories. Then Tsukasa, whenever he is working for Easter or not, stole those memories but was unable to give them back to Ikuto, so he kept them in the Lock. It makes sense because Ikuto doesn't really talk about his past, if at all (correct me if I'm wrong. I may have missed an ep). Or many he knew Easter was a bad thing from the start so they deleted his memories so Ikuto could work for them?
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(Ok, I think I put all the quotes in the right order, if not, let me know)

Yea, I really think that Ikuto knows the truth and that Tsukasa, if working for Easter, took those memories for Easter, but if he's good, I think he took them to protect Ikuto and also so that Easter wouldn't find out, cuz he probally knew that Easter would be after Ikuto soon.

Hmm..I actually think Tsukasa is good and he sealed the memories for a good reason and star ur right, Ikuto doesn't really mention anything about his past, we only see flashbacks of his past told by someone else, by I think only the important information was sealed from him, like the truth of the missing pages, and the truth of the embryo.

...Well I think that if the memories and truth are sealed in the lock, then only the people who are meant to know will discover them, I think Tsukasa hid the truth so only those who are good can find it, like how Ikuto's step father and the other Easter people couldn't see the embryo, I think that both the embryo and the truth of the lock are connected, so only the good people who would use the truth for good can discover and see both..sorry if I'm rambling

Oh and that too, many people think the little boy is the head of Easter, Gozen, and that part with Tsukasa handing him the rocks, especially after seeing all the rocks in Gozen's room, really makes me suspicious that either the little boy or Tsukasa is really Gozen
Posted 2/8/09
It kinda explains it all on Ch. 37^^





Just some scans^^
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i dun get tis forum...
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i think the little boy causes the apperence of the embryo because he was there at that battle in the park when the embryo appered!
ahhh i'm so tired of thinking of all these theories. i really think that everyone is overthinking it.
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GEEZ PEOPLE! We are not only discussing chpt 37! Did any of you even read ALL of the post I made?
Sorry, but I'm in a bad mood now...

anyway, this is OUR THEORIES based on the events of chpt 37

and yea, you guys probally won't understand it completely cuz you weren't there to read everything, as I stated at the top, it began on the wall and it's mainly for the members who first started it to discuss it, but yea, anyone can join in too, but plz at least read everything before commenting

and yea, the little boy has been around when the embryo appears but we're not really discussing him, ONLY if he's releated to Tsukasa

and yea, we might be overthinking it but it's good to read between the lines and look at things from others perceptive, I personally think the memories being sealed in the lock is quite plausible, I can see that happening...and I apoligize for my earlier outburst
Posted 2/8/09
I haven't really given much thought about that little boy. Just because he was present at the park battle doesn't mean anything. What about all the other times the embryo appeared (refering to anime)? I didn't see him there. And it's kind of hard to tell who he is or if he's related to anyone, judging from the manga. I don't think he could be involved with the Embryo. It seems too obvious to me...if it happened that is.

More devleopment on my memory theory: Maybe Tsukasa saw how much emotional pain Ikuto was (refering to the manga page above me) so he took all the memories away from Ikuto so he could be happier? (Not nessisarily in chapter 37, but in a later chapter perhaps? We still don't know if Tsukasa works for Easter) And wait until the time when Amu arrived so she could 'unlock' those memories?

I like overthinking it... it gets me hyped up for the next chapter ^^

Posted 2/8/09
oh, by the way AmuTsu, thanks for putting the posts in order and colour-coding them. It looks much better now ^^
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Np ^^ and I think that's possible too, though Ikuto would get hurt either way...I don't know, the more I think about it, the more I think Tsukasa is good and who knows about the little boy xD I think he does have a bigger role than we think though o.O
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