be the hell or be in hell? [Jean-Paul Sartre Discussion]
Posted 2/8/09 , edited 2/8/09
I honestly think the topic of this thread is rather interesting, and should be placed in a better context. If you've read Jean-Paul Sartre's work, feel free to comment on what you think, regarding his philosophy and whatnot. Credits go to the OP for bringing up this topic.



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lately, we discussed in our Philosophy subject about Jean-Paul Sartre and his work No Exit. According to Sartre, being with people you hate is hell. In other words, HELL IS OTHER PEOPLE.
Our professor asked us this question:
"If you have to choose a life, would you live with someone who hates you or someone you hate?(be the hell or be in hell)?"

I actually answered the first one(be the hell). Sounds selfish but I don't want to suffer because I have to stay with someone I hate. I would rather be the one torturing the person who hates me than being the one tortured. ( evil me )

so how about you guys. If you are sked the same question
"If you have to choose a life, would you live with someone who hates you or someone you hate?(be the hell or be in hell)?"
what would be you're answer?



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Posted 2/8/09
-_- useless thread
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.....@_@ is all i've got to say to this
my pick would be the second one(live with hell)
even if I hate that person, no matter what I'll try to get along
unlike "being the hell", I can learn more while "living with hell"(about the person that is)
I'm bad at judging my own bad points-_-
Posted 2/8/09
tl;dr =/
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hmm... i guess in way that would be hell, but for me heaven and hell already exist here in our reality. it's just a matter of perspective. either way, you can't hate someone for the rest of your life. you just wake up one morning realizing the object of your hate is not that much of an asshole anymore. of course this doesn't mean hugs and kisses all over.

My uncle and I have a cold war spanning more than a decade. I love and respect the guy, same blood runs through my veins, we eat rice and shit just the same but that doesn't mean i have to like him. or talk to him for that matter. at the family reunions we meet and smile, greet and hug each other. "good afternoon uncle jun" roughly translates to "i'm only talking to you coz' grandma's watching"
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My fav quote. Read below. Been using it since I joined CR.
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I'm tha devil. I roast asses with meh pitchfork.
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Posted 2/8/09
teh second one.. -__-
Posted 2/8/09
uuhhh what?
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Posted 2/8/09
I 'ive will hell. If I don't like that person I may like her and make out and have children together.
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Posted 2/8/09
Second because I can change my judgement. It's harder to change the other persons judgement when I don't know what they're thinking. Besides in my life, I don't hate anyone. Apart from the poo and sock bandits...
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Posted 2/8/09
I'd be IN hell

Life would be more funner
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Posted 2/8/09
I honestly don't understand why people are commenting in this thread if they don't get it... far from useless, it's actually a good point that the OP brought up Sartre in discussing how it affects the individual and their interactions with other people.

According to Sartre, human freedom is limited to the extent that other human beings "stare" at him, as if he (as a person) turns into an object in their gaze. In other words, his humanity becomes reduced to an object in the "gaze" of another, thus destroying his own sense of autonomy as a subject. It's this conversion of the subject into an object of the other that makes him consider life with others as a "living hell", simply because his autonomy is reduced by the limiting gaze of the other.

In my opinion, Sartre is faced with a problem regarding "control". He believes that true freedom rests in controlling the perception of others, hence the reason why he places importance of the self over the other. Unfortunately, such an outlook disregards the social aspect of human existence, and fails to realize what Marcel would consider as the "mirroring of human existence", in which one's existence is confirmed (and recognized) by another person ~ not as an "other" but as a "thou", so to speak. With this, I find it hard to understand Sartre's recourse but to consider the other as an "opponent" in the search of "true freedom" ~ when in fact it is in the mingling of others that we begin to realize our true potentials and, eventually, become "free" in our own self discoveries.

Sartre makes a good point, however, in pessimistically showing that humans, in general, DO have the tendency to diminish the worth of other people by their "gazes" ~ and this is usually in the form of stereotypes and generalizations. But returning to the question of the OP, I believe the philosophy of Sartre would make it appear that it'd be better to live with someone you hate, rather than someone who hates you - because the implication of someone hating you means that you are looked upon as "inferior" to their standards, and hence, your freedom as an individual is limited to pleasing the said individual. I, personally, would find it hard to live with someone who hates me, so I guess I'd rather live with someone I hate ~ not because I subscribe to the philosophy of Sartre, but simply because I don't personally want to become a burden to someone if indeed they do hate me for my shortcomings.
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