HOW STRONG IS GIN AND TOUSEN?

I still don't understand how tousen got so strong. he couldnt even cut kenpachi and kenpachi loses to ichigo before ichigo even gets his bankai. tousen then goes on to cut off grimmjaw's arm...did tousen get a whole lot stronger using hougakyu or is it because grimmjaw was spacing out so he didnt have his reiatsu concentrated that it made it so easy for tousen to cut his arm off. cause if tousen did get much stronger, then hes way above captain level now. may it have to do with what aizen talked about in terms of going past the limits of being a captain and he showed that to tousen and gin?

speaking of gin...nobody has really seen how strong this guy is. could he be close to aizen's level or is he no where near that? stronger than espada rank 1? kind of makes you wonder...

obviously surpassing the Espada
this is the Power-data

1: Aizen [Obviously the strongest ofcourse he is the leader]
2:Gin and Tousen [The closest to Aizen]
3: Espada 1 to 10 [I think the Espada are only need to kill other captains]
The Espada is also the stage where Ichigo is now ! And probably going to defeat Ulquiorra
I don't know if the Espada 1to3 are going to be defeated
But if they defeat the Espada, they also need to defeat Gin and Tousen and Aizen
which is impossible now...

4: Fraccion [The pupil of the Espada they kill the vice-captains]
5: Arrancar [Useless atm]
6: Menos [Useless atm]
7: Normal Hollow [Useless atm]


Did Tousen really get that powerful in that time?
No, Tousen was also in the pendelum.
The most characters of the pendelum are the strongest.
And they also had something like 110 years to train...
I think Tousen didn't show his true power at that time. It was only to get
Kenpachi busy. So Aizen plans won't ruin. Do you remember Tousen
sliced off that arm of Grimmjow easy And in the attack-kurakara town
he also used a Kidou. ~Soaring Net of Heavens~ that was very cool too!

I think that both Gin and Tousen are very strong, that they were both purposely holding back so they would go off Yama-jii's radar.
Apparently in the TBTP arc, Gin was a prodigy just like Toushiro and murdered many people. Also at Sokyouko(cant spell right) Hill, He put down so much spirit force that none of the ryouka could move. I think that classifies him as pretty strong. We also havent even seen his Bankai but it must be pretty strong if the Espada respect him enough to listen and not interfere with his actions.
Tousen I think was always strong, he just got paired up against Kenpachi. Also, how did he heal so fast after his battle is what I'd like to know. Anyway, Tousen just got cocky and got a fatal strike handed to him, if he was levelheaded, I think he might have won. If people like Grimmjow get their arm sliced through like butter with Tousens sword, thats scary cuz Ichigo could only do that with bankai and Tousen hadnt even realeased. So yeah, I think they are basically all strong, not as strong as Aizen but closer than the Espada.

then what off the vastro lordes

i say gin is closest to aizen then tousen

These guys have summed it up pretty well, this was something that was on my mind as well. I agree that 2nd to only Aizen himself, Tousen and Gin are the strongest in Aizens rank, being well above espada, or at least well above Number 4. Another thing about Hierro(Arrancars Iron Skin), its a passive quality, meaning its always active.Tousen legitimately cut off Grimmjows arm, Grimmjow was both too slow to dodge the attack and his iron skin was too weak to mitigate any damage, which proves Tousens pretty damn tough. Grimmjow was going to retaliate by drawing his sword to fight Tousen but unfortunately Aizen stopped it It would have been interesting to see a fight there.

I dunno Vasto Lordes is still a mystery in the manga

aizens the weakest of the three he just uses his "ultimate hypnosis" to make everyone think hes all powerful but really he's just a big girl and gins better

Yea, they're pretty damn strong. I'm assuming that aizen used the Hougoku (Can never spell it lol) on them so they're powers are past the captain level. Pretty much everyone summed it up, Gin and Tousen are both pretty strong. Gin was a genius prodigy that combined with his power upgrade, he's pretty strong. Tousen cut off Grimmjow's arm like it was nothing. Not even in Bankai form or with a mask on.

On a side note, I think Ichigo's reiatsu at it's peak is above all the espada. When Ichigo was fighting yammy, Ulquiorra said that when Ichigo's reiatsu is at it's peak, it's way above his own.

One of the things I don't like is how looking back, Ichigo was able to defeat Kenpachi without going bankai and without the use of his mask. Kenpachi beats everyone. He's really really strong, so in Ichigo's default form he's stronger than Kenpachi (yea i know, he combined with his sword or whatever but still). So with the addition of bankai and the mask, he really should be destroying people even if he's not all that skilled.

Remember, Even if he was a kid.. Gin was "feared".. And being beside Aizen all the time, that means Aizen's training him.. Beating the pulp out of him.. Hahahah. And that "GRIN" makes me hate him more.. darn...

Well, for me.. I think..

Gin and Tousen will be a match for the Vizards "captain" now.. Gin = Shinji..

i like gin...he's cool

Pretty strong. Tousen has a great ability. Gin has that scary aura that warns everybody that he's powerful.

Insanely strong I guess...

I mean if Nnoitora is giving ichigo so much trouble then those two must be out of question :lol:

Also, during the Pendulum arc, you see that Tousen, even back then could do Bankai. That's impressive.

Remeber though, when Ichigo fought Nnoitora he was wiped out and injured from the battle with grimmjow. In the new manga's though Ulquiorra is kicking his ass