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Well if that is in fact true, then yes Isreal had absolutely 0 right to do what they did/ are currently doing, And they should stop, besides the US media is always full of crap, so what ever they say, you usually should believe just the oppisiste or something close to it, but yeah, looks like what Isreal, is doing is plain wrong, and they should stop, and eventually they will stop, but will probally do it again, and again, and again, so the question is, is there a way for them to stop once and for all, who knows, possibly, but kinda doubtfull. But i guess you can just hope for the best. But the question still remains, is this in fact true or false ?
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Well if that is in fact true, then yes Isreal had absolutely 0 right to do what they did/ are currently doing, And they should stop, besides the US media is always full of crap, so what ever they say, you usually should believe just the oppisiste or something close to it, but yeah, looks like what Isreal, is doing is plain wrong, and they should stop, and eventually they will stop, but will probally do it again, and again, and again, so the question is, is there a way for them to stop once and for all, who knows, possibly, but kinda doubtfull. But i guess you can just hope for the best. But the question still remains, is this in fact true or false ?



omg, you know what's right or wrong? This is a big step for you!

All the stuff before the analysis of the recent conflict is just facts. None of it is opinion, it's very clear. Israel is one of 4 countries voting against the solution, this is a fact. Israel is clearly breaking international law, the courts decided this unanimously, that's a fact. Israel's human rights record, like legalizing torture, bulldozing countless homes for no reason, killing ridiculous amounts of civilians with no explanation and invalid excuses like "human shields", this is not really debatable stuff. It's just the facts plainly stated.

The recent conflict analysis obviously can't be proven 100% unless we get the Bilderberg group people to confess, but it's pretty obvious.
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omg, you know what's right or wrong? This is a big step for you!

All the stuff before the analysis of the recent conflict is just facts. None of it is opinion, it's very clear. Israel is one of 4 countries voting against the solution, this is a fact. Israel is clearly breaking international law, the courts decided this unanimously, that's a fact. Israel's human rights record, like legalizing torture, bulldozing countless homes for no reason, killing ridiculous amounts of civilians with no explanation and invalid excuses like "human shields", this is not really debatable stuff. It's just the facts plainly stated.

The recent conflict analysis obviously can't be proven 100% unless we get the Bilderberg group people to confess, but it's pretty obvious.


Well I guess Israel just feels like commiting some good old fashioned genocide huh ? well its kinda understandable actually, they've been getting harased by lots of other people who want their little piece of property for a LONG time, if i was Israel, I'd be getting fed up too. So i can understand why their doing it. Doesn't mean its ok, but to be honest i'd probally do the same think, if you get harassed long enough, you simply want the people harassing you gone right ? Thats fair logic right ?


Well torture is usefull for certian things, like getting information out of people who won't otherwise talk, but stuf like the whip isn't always usefull, you can waterboard them, were you blindfold them and dunk their head under water for a while ( not long enough to kill them, but long enough to make them think their going to die) its actually REALLY effective, I think we should be using methods like that, they don't actually die, and you get the info out of em, win- win right ?

No idea why they would just randomly bulldose homes for absolutely no reason, there probally is a reason behind that then. and human sheilds can be very effective at times. so i can also understands why they would use them. There is almost always 2 sides to a story, I don't see how Israel can be at fault 100% here, maybe Hamas did something to them in the past and they held a grudge or something, who knows.
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Yei wrote:

omg, you know what's right or wrong? This is a big step for you!

All the stuff before the analysis of the recent conflict is just facts. None of it is opinion, it's very clear. Israel is one of 4 countries voting against the solution, this is a fact. Israel is clearly breaking international law, the courts decided this unanimously, that's a fact. Israel's human rights record, like legalizing torture, bulldozing countless homes for no reason, killing ridiculous amounts of civilians with no explanation and invalid excuses like "human shields", this is not really debatable stuff. It's just the facts plainly stated.

The recent conflict analysis obviously can't be proven 100% unless we get the Bilderberg group people to confess, but it's pretty obvious.


Well I guess Israel just feels like commiting some good old fashioned genocide huh ? well its kinda understandable actually, they've been getting harased by lots of other people who want their little piece of property for a LONG time, if i was Israel, I'd be getting fed up too. So i can understand why their doing it. Doesn't mean its ok, but to be honest i'd probally do the same think, if you get harassed long enough, you simply want the people harassing you gone right ? Thats fair logic right ?


Well torture is usefull for certian things, like getting information out of people who won't otherwise talk, but stuf like the whip isn't always usefull, you can waterboard them, were you blindfold them and dunk their head under water for a while ( not long enough to kill them, but long enough to make them think their going to die) its actually REALLY effective, I think we should be using methods like that, they don't actually die, and you get the info out of em, win- win right ?

No idea why they would just randomly bulldose homes for absolutely no reason, there probally is a reason behind that then. and human sheilds can be very effective at times. so i can also understands why they would use them. There is almost always 2 sides to a story, I don't see how Israel can be at fault 100% here, maybe Hamas did something to them in the past and they held a grudge or something, who knows.



LOL IS RAEL BEING HARASSED!?!?!?!? A country with the most sophistacted military backed by the US and over 200 nukes being bullied by a nation whose only weapons is rocks and non explosive rockets? You cant be serious here.
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Yei wrote:

omg, you know what's right or wrong? This is a big step for you!

All the stuff before the analysis of the recent conflict is just facts. None of it is opinion, it's very clear. Israel is one of 4 countries voting against the solution, this is a fact. Israel is clearly breaking international law, the courts decided this unanimously, that's a fact. Israel's human rights record, like legalizing torture, bulldozing countless homes for no reason, killing ridiculous amounts of civilians with no explanation and invalid excuses like "human shields", this is not really debatable stuff. It's just the facts plainly stated.

The recent conflict analysis obviously can't be proven 100% unless we get the Bilderberg group people to confess, but it's pretty obvious.


Well I guess Israel just feels like commiting some good old fashioned genocide huh ? well its kinda understandable actually, they've been getting harased by lots of other people who want their little piece of property for a LONG time, if i was Israel, I'd be getting fed up too. So i can understand why their doing it. Doesn't mean its ok, but to be honest i'd probally do the same think, if you get harassed long enough, you simply want the people harassing you gone right ? Thats fair logic right ?


Well torture is usefull for certian things, like getting information out of people who won't otherwise talk, but stuf like the whip isn't always usefull, you can waterboard them, were you blindfold them and dunk their head under water for a while ( not long enough to kill them, but long enough to make them think their going to die) its actually REALLY effective, I think we should be using methods like that, they don't actually die, and you get the info out of em, win- win right ?

No idea why they would just randomly bulldose homes for absolutely no reason, there probally is a reason behind that then. and human sheilds can be very effective at times. so i can also understands why they would use them. There is almost always 2 sides to a story, I don't see how Israel can be at fault 100% here, maybe Hamas did something to them in the past and they held a grudge or something, who knows.


if you get harassed long enough, you simply want the people harassing you gone right ? Thats fair logic right ? Yeah, and that's Hamas and the Palestinians' excuse to be hating and attacking Israel.

Obviously it's not 100% Israel's fault, Palestinians have made some mistakes. But in reality, their behavior is to be expected. In fact, you would have to be crazy to think they shouldn't have gone insane and fought back. It would have been right for the Palestinians to try Gandhi's way and not fight back and make it clear for the world who the oppressor is, but they are human, and had a much more drastic situation. If what happened, and is still happening to them, was done to any other group of people, they would react the same. People get mad and fight back when they feel like they have no other choice. Hamas is wrong for hurting innocent people, but so was the French Resistance when they fought the Nazis.

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Allhailodin wrote:


Yei wrote:

omg, you know what's right or wrong? This is a big step for you!

All the stuff before the analysis of the recent conflict is just facts. None of it is opinion, it's very clear. Israel is one of 4 countries voting against the solution, this is a fact. Israel is clearly breaking international law, the courts decided this unanimously, that's a fact. Israel's human rights record, like legalizing torture, bulldozing countless homes for no reason, killing ridiculous amounts of civilians with no explanation and invalid excuses like "human shields", this is not really debatable stuff. It's just the facts plainly stated.

The recent conflict analysis obviously can't be proven 100% unless we get the Bilderberg group people to confess, but it's pretty obvious.


Well I guess Israel just feels like commiting some good old fashioned genocide huh ? well its kinda understandable actually, they've been getting harased by lots of other people who want their little piece of property for a LONG time, if i was Israel, I'd be getting fed up too. So i can understand why their doing it. Doesn't mean its ok, but to be honest i'd probally do the same think, if you get harassed long enough, you simply want the people harassing you gone right ? Thats fair logic right ?


Well torture is usefull for certian things, like getting information out of people who won't otherwise talk, but stuf like the whip isn't always usefull, you can waterboard them, were you blindfold them and dunk their head under water for a while ( not long enough to kill them, but long enough to make them think their going to die) its actually REALLY effective, I think we should be using methods like that, they don't actually die, and you get the info out of em, win- win right ?

No idea why they would just randomly bulldose homes for absolutely no reason, there probally is a reason behind that then. and human sheilds can be very effective at times. so i can also understands why they would use them. There is almost always 2 sides to a story, I don't see how Israel can be at fault 100% here, maybe Hamas did something to them in the past and they held a grudge or something, who knows.


if you get harassed long enough, you simply want the people harassing you gone right ? Thats fair logic right ? Yeah, and that's Hamas and the Palestinians' excuse to be hating and attacking Israel.

Obviously it's not 100% Israel's fault, Palestinians have made some mistakes. But in reality, their behavior is to be expected. In fact, you would have to be crazy to think they shouldn't have gone insane and fought back. It would have been right for the Palestinians to try Gandhi's way and not fight back and make it clear for the world who the oppressor is, but they are human, and had a much more drastic situation. If what happened, and is still happening to them, was done to any other group of people, they would react the same. People get mad and fight back when they feel like they have no other choice. Hamas is wrong for hurting innocent people, but so was the French Resistance when they fought the Nazis.




if you get harassed long enough, you simply want the people harassing you gone right ? Thats fair logic right ? Yeah, and that's Hamas and the Palestinians' excuse to be hating and attacking Israel.


Israel's been hated on since the first day it became a country, there probally just pissed off and taking it out on hamas, doesnt make it right but thats what it looks like to me.


Obviously it's not 100% Israel's fault, Palestinians have made some mistakes. But in reality, their behavior is to be expected. In fact, you would have to be crazy to think they shouldn't have gone insane and fought back. It would have been right for the Palestinians to try Gandhi's way and not fight back and make it clear for the world who the oppressor is, but they are human, and had a much more drastic situation. If what happened, and is still happening to them, was done to any other group of people, they would react the same. People get mad and fight back when they feel like they have no other choice. Hamas is wrong for hurting innocent people, but so was the French Resistance when they fought the Nazis.


Its a war, innocent people die, that's kinda the way it works, its to be expected, deal with it. But hey if you don't like it, take over Israel and change it, and yes if you really wanted to do that you could.
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if you get harassed long enough, you simply want the people harassing you gone right ? Thats fair logic right ? Yeah, and that's Hamas and the Palestinians' excuse to be hating and attacking Israel.


Israel's been hated on since the first day it became a country, there probally just pissed off and taking it out on hamas, doesnt make it right but thats what it looks like to me.


You really don't know much about this, do you? First of all, stealing a giant group of people's country, ethnically cleansing/massacring them in the process, and stealing all their land and homes tends to get people mad. That's what Israel did to become a country, why people have been hating on Israel since then is not a mystery.


Obviously it's not 100% Israel's fault, Palestinians have made some mistakes. But in reality, their behavior is to be expected. In fact, you would have to be crazy to think they shouldn't have gone insane and fought back. It would have been right for the Palestinians to try Gandhi's way and not fight back and make it clear for the world who the oppressor is, but they are human, and had a much more drastic situation. If what happened, and is still happening to them, was done to any other group of people, they would react the same. People get mad and fight back when they feel like they have no other choice. Hamas is wrong for hurting innocent people, but so was the French Resistance when they fought the Nazis.


Its a war, innocent people die, that's kinda the way it works, its to be expected, deal with it.

Okay, really, you need to really start understanding this situation properly. What do you mean "it's a war"? The Israel occupation of Palestine is a war? Or do you mean the recent conflict?
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You really don't know much about this, do you? First of all, stealing a giant group of people's country, ethnically cleansing/massacring them in the process, and stealing all their land and homes tends to get people mad. That's what Israel did to become a country, why people have been hating on Israel since then is not a mystery.


Ok, fair enough, i'd be kinda pissed if that happened to me. I can see that



Okay, really, you need to really start understanding this situation properly. What do you mean "it's a war"? The Israel occupation of Palestine is a war? Or do you mean the recent conflict?


Look in a perfect world, in wars, no innocent people would die, hell in a perfect world there would be no wars, but since this is not a perfect world, wars happen, and they happen in such a way that innocent people tend to die, and sometimes in large numbers aka the holocaust. Innocent people die, thats just the way it is. people need to get over that. death and destruction are part of a war, war is not pretty, people need to get over that as well, so when you see things like the napam of veitnam and get all pissed off saying "oh thats horrible" pshh, get over it, thats how a war works ok, people die, painfully. sucks yeah, but deal with it. and frankly if you don't like what Israel is doing, why not just take over Israel and change it ? And yes you a 16 year old girl actually do have the power to do that if you wanted to. There are several ways that you could go about doing that.
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You really don't know much about this, do you? First of all, stealing a giant group of people's country, ethnically cleansing/massacring them in the process, and stealing all their land and homes tends to get people mad. That's what Israel did to become a country, why people have been hating on Israel since then is not a mystery.


Ok, fair enough, i'd be kinda pissed if that happened to me. I can see that



Okay, really, you need to really start understanding this situation properly. What do you mean "it's a war"? The Israel occupation of Palestine is a war? Or do you mean the recent conflict?


Look in a perfect world, in wars, no innocent people would die, hell in a perfect world there would be no wars, but since this is not a perfect world, wars happen, and they happen in such a way that innocent people tend to die, and sometimes in large numbers aka the holocaust. Innocent people die, thats just the way it is. people need to get over that. death and destruction are part of a war, war is not pretty, people need to get over that as well, so when you see things like the napam of veitnam and get all pissed off saying "oh thats horrible" pshh, get over it, thats how a war works ok, people die, painfully. sucks yeah, but deal with it. and frankly if you don't like what Israel is doing, why not just take over Israel and change it ? And yes you a 16 year old girl actually do have the power to do that if you wanted to. There are several ways that you could go about doing that.


Well because in the Holocaust they were deliberately targeting innocent civilians as in Israel case they say they are not. Israel was suppose to target hamas so how did 1300 civilian casualties die in that atempt? Why was the UN building which is source for palestinian aid and refuge bombed? Neighborhoods bombed, Hospitals bombed, Universities bombed and on top of that the illegal settlements. It is in your opinion I suppose ok for a country to illegally take land and build their settlements. Imagine you are living in your house and some random guy sets up walls inside your house and now claim that his territory. You cant even use your own bathroom because beyond that wall on ly israel citicizens can use. And this is inside your own damn property that is what is going on in Palestine. More then 500,000 settlers in living in Occupied territory. Now my question is Israel states that this is for security purposes so why the hell would allow civilians to live in territories so close to the enemy? Lol your telling a muslim/ non muslim to take over a jewish country are you serious? Lol there is no point for me to even elaborate on that sentence.

As Yei stated you really know nill about this topic and your showing how ignorant most Americans are on this subject as well.
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Look in a perfect world, in wars, no innocent people would die, hell in a perfect world there would be no wars, but since this is not a perfect world, wars happen, and they happen in such a way that innocent people tend to die, and sometimes in large numbers aka the holocaust. Innocent people die, thats just the way it is. people need to get over that. death and destruction are part of a war, war is not pretty, people need to get over that as well, so when you see things like the napam of veitnam and get all pissed off saying "oh thats horrible" pshh, get over it, thats how a war works ok, people die, painfully. sucks yeah, but deal with it. and frankly if you don't like what Israel is doing, why not just take over Israel and change it ? And yes you a 16 year old girl actually do have the power to do that if you wanted to. There are several ways that you could go about doing that.


First of all we're not talking about a war here, we're talking about Israel's occupation of Palestine.

Second of all, wars in general are bad. In wars, of course innocent people will die, but if an army purposefully kills and tortures innocent people, what that army is doing is very wrong and people have a right to be outraged. When you have something like the Holocaust happen, you can't just say "that's what happens in war." The Holocaust wasn't done because there was a war going on, it was just the mass extermination of people they didn't like, they were not soldiers or people going against Germany, they were innocent targets of hate. You can't say to people upset at the Holocaust "get over it."
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Allhailodin wrote:


Yei wrote:


You really don't know much about this, do you? First of all, stealing a giant group of people's country, ethnically cleansing/massacring them in the process, and stealing all their land and homes tends to get people mad. That's what Israel did to become a country, why people have been hating on Israel since then is not a mystery.


Ok, fair enough, i'd be kinda pissed if that happened to me. I can see that



Okay, really, you need to really start understanding this situation properly. What do you mean "it's a war"? The Israel occupation of Palestine is a war? Or do you mean the recent conflict?


Look in a perfect world, in wars, no innocent people would die, hell in a perfect world there would be no wars, but since this is not a perfect world, wars happen, and they happen in such a way that innocent people tend to die, and sometimes in large numbers aka the holocaust. Innocent people die, thats just the way it is. people need to get over that. death and destruction are part of a war, war is not pretty, people need to get over that as well, so when you see things like the napam of veitnam and get all pissed off saying "oh thats horrible" pshh, get over it, thats how a war works ok, people die, painfully. sucks yeah, but deal with it. and frankly if you don't like what Israel is doing, why not just take over Israel and change it ? And yes you a 16 year old girl actually do have the power to do that if you wanted to. There are several ways that you could go about doing that.


Well because in the Holocaust they were deliberately targeting innocent civilians as in Israel case they say they are not. Israel was suppose to target hamas so how did 1300 civilian casualties die in that atempt? Why was the UN building which is source for palestinian aid and refuge bombed? Neighborhoods bombed, Hospitals bombed, Universities bombed and on top of that the illegal settlements. It is in your opinion I suppose ok for a country to illegally take land and build their settlements. Imagine you are living in your house and some random guy sets up walls inside your house and now claim that his territory. You cant even use your own bathroom because beyond that wall on ly israel citicizens can use. And this is inside your own damn property that is what is going on in Palestine. More then 500,000 settlers in living in Occupied territory. Now my question is Israel states that this is for security purposes so why the hell would allow civilians to live in territories so close to the enemy? Lol your telling a muslim/ non muslim to take over a jewish country are you serious? Lol there is no point for me to even elaborate on that sentence.

As Yei stated you really know nill about this topic and your showing how ignorant most Americans are on this subject as well.



Israel was suppose to target hamas so how did 1300 civilian casualties die in that atempt?
Easy, they also targeted civilians.


Why was the UN building which is source for palestinian aid and refuge bombed?
Because Israel didn't want to get the hamas people treated.


Neighborhoods bombed, Hospitals bombed, Universities bombed and on top of that the illegal settlements.
frankly i'd do the same thing if i was trying to take over another country,


It is in your opinion I suppose ok for a country to illegally take land and build their settlements. Imagine you are living in your house and some random guy sets up walls inside your house and now claim that his territory.
That's how it works yeah, when you want to expand your country, that's exactly what you do. Doesn't mean it's right, but that's what you do.


Now my question is Israel states that this is for security purposes so why the hell would allow civilians to live in territories so close to the enemy?
What's wrong with putting houses up near the border ? Its useable land, so why not use it ?


As Yei stated you really know nill about this topic and your showing how ignorant most Americans are on this subject as well.


I read that, and I don't doubt that Israel is the one at fault, everything Yei said makes perfect sense to me, but don't group me in with most Americans, most americans are complete ignorant fucktards who don't think for themselves and mindlessly conform to whatevers the biggest thing at the moment, so don't group me in with those retards, I read what Yei said, and I don't doubt it, But I don't really care, it doesn't concern me so why should I give a flying fuck about it ? See I tend to not about most things unless their staring me in the face. this isn't doing that, so why should I care ? It's not like I know anyone in those areas, so it's not my problem, and yes I am ignorant, every human being on earth is ignorant in some way, including you, so saying I wasn't ignorant would be a flat out lie. But then again most americans use the american media for news, so there obviously fucktards when it comes to shit like this, i however don't use the american media for news, i use the net, if im interested in something news worthy, which isn't often. So again, i believe what yei's saying but don't give a damn about the situation.
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Allhailodin wrote:
Look in a perfect world, in wars, no innocent people would die, hell in a perfect world there would be no wars, but since this is not a perfect world, wars happen, and they happen in such a way that innocent people tend to die, and sometimes in large numbers aka the holocaust. Innocent people die, thats just the way it is. people need to get over that. death and destruction are part of a war, war is not pretty, people need to get over that as well, so when you see things like the napam of veitnam and get all pissed off saying "oh thats horrible" pshh, get over it, thats how a war works ok, people die, painfully. sucks yeah, but deal with it. and frankly if you don't like what Israel is doing, why not just take over Israel and change it ? And yes you a 16 year old girl actually do have the power to do that if you wanted to. There are several ways that you could go about doing that.


First of all we're not talking about a war here, we're talking about Israel's occupation of Palestine.

Second of all, wars in general are bad. In wars, of course innocent people will die, but if an army purposefully kills and tortures innocent people, what that army is doing is very wrong and people have a right to be outraged. When you have something like the Holocaust happen, you can't just say "that's what happens in war." The Holocaust wasn't done because there was a war going on, it was just the mass extermination of people they didn't like, they were not soldiers or people going against Germany, they were innocent targets of hate. You can't say to people upset at the Holocaust "get over it."


Israels occupation of palestine, is a war, its technically considered a war, abit small but still a war.

You can say wars are bad all you want, but wars are never going to go away, wars are human nature, human nature is to fight, and a army that kills and tortures innocent people isn't as uncommon as you think, there are conflicts all over the world right now, where the killing and torturing of innocent people is going on, its simply how humans do things, and yes i shall say, get over it, because people need to get over it, most people including yourself have no idea how wars are truly played out, while sure killing innocent people and torturing them is wrong, its something that is never going to stop happening, so you just need to accept that thats how things work in the world and stop being bothered by them. easy enough to do. I did it, and so can you. You'll honestly find that your life is a lot easier and simpler if you stop caring about things that don't directly effect you. Honeslty its the easiest solution to things like this. Just stop being bothered by them, seems easy enough right ? You have to understand that the world is a very unmoral place, with things like torture and rape and murder and child enslavement going on all over the place, just learn to ignore them. And besides, Israel isn't the only one at fault here, most of the other countries around Israel want Israel gone and every last jew hung and killed. There is a lot of hate against Israel, there has been for a long time, Israel is simply fed up with it, all they ever wanted to do was just be left alone and to be able to live their lives in peace. But its easier for us all (the people not involved in Israel - Hamas conflict ) to just ignore it because it's not our problem. But if you absolutely feel like this needs to stop, then do something about it, conquer Israel and change it, you could do it if you wanted to, for fucks sake you could conquer just about any country if you really wanted to (doesn't mean it's gonna be easy, but its still possible), just about anyone with 1/2 a brain in their head could, there are many ways to do just that. so why not conquer Israel and put a stop to it ?
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drizza wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Yei wrote:


You really don't know much about this, do you? First of all, stealing a giant group of people's country, ethnically cleansing/massacring them in the process, and stealing all their land and homes tends to get people mad. That's what Israel did to become a country, why people have been hating on Israel since then is not a mystery.


Ok, fair enough, i'd be kinda pissed if that happened to me. I can see that



Okay, really, you need to really start understanding this situation properly. What do you mean "it's a war"? The Israel occupation of Palestine is a war? Or do you mean the recent conflict?


Look in a perfect world, in wars, no innocent people would die, hell in a perfect world there would be no wars, but since this is not a perfect world, wars happen, and they happen in such a way that innocent people tend to die, and sometimes in large numbers aka the holocaust. Innocent people die, thats just the way it is. people need to get over that. death and destruction are part of a war, war is not pretty, people need to get over that as well, so when you see things like the napam of veitnam and get all pissed off saying "oh thats horrible" pshh, get over it, thats how a war works ok, people die, painfully. sucks yeah, but deal with it. and frankly if you don't like what Israel is doing, why not just take over Israel and change it ? And yes you a 16 year old girl actually do have the power to do that if you wanted to. There are several ways that you could go about doing that.


Well because in the Holocaust they were deliberately targeting innocent civilians as in Israel case they say they are not. Israel was suppose to target hamas so how did 1300 civilian casualties die in that atempt? Why was the UN building which is source for palestinian aid and refuge bombed? Neighborhoods bombed, Hospitals bombed, Universities bombed and on top of that the illegal settlements. It is in your opinion I suppose ok for a country to illegally take land and build their settlements. Imagine you are living in your house and some random guy sets up walls inside your house and now claim that his territory. You cant even use your own bathroom because beyond that wall on ly israel citicizens can use. And this is inside your own damn property that is what is going on in Palestine. More then 500,000 settlers in living in Occupied territory. Now my question is Israel states that this is for security purposes so why the hell would allow civilians to live in territories so close to the enemy? Lol your telling a muslim/ non muslim to take over a jewish country are you serious? Lol there is no point for me to even elaborate on that sentence.

As Yei stated you really know nill about this topic and your showing how ignorant most Americans are on this subject as well.



Israel was suppose to target hamas so how did 1300 civilian casualties die in that atempt?
Easy, they also targeted civilians.


Why was the UN building which is source for palestinian aid and refuge bombed?
Because Israel didn't want to get the hamas people treated.


Neighborhoods bombed, Hospitals bombed, Universities bombed and on top of that the illegal settlements.
frankly i'd do the same thing if i was trying to take over another country,


It is in your opinion I suppose ok for a country to illegally take land and build their settlements. Imagine you are living in your house and some random guy sets up walls inside your house and now claim that his territory.
That's how it works yeah, when you want to expand your country, that's exactly what you do. Doesn't mean it's right, but that's what you do.


Now my question is Israel states that this is for security purposes so why the hell would allow civilians to live in territories so close to the enemy?
What's wrong with putting houses up near the border ? Its useable land, so why not use it ?


As Yei stated you really know nill about this topic and your showing how ignorant most Americans are on this subject as well.


I read that, and I don't doubt that Israel is the one at fault, everything Yei said makes perfect sense to me, but don't group me in with most Americans, most americans are complete ignorant fucktards who don't think for themselves and mindlessly conform to whatevers the biggest thing at the moment, so don't group me in with those retards, I read what Yei said, and I don't doubt it, But I don't really care, it doesn't concern me so why should I give a flying fuck about it ? See I tend to not about most things unless their staring me in the face. this isn't doing that, so why should I care ? It's not like I know anyone in those areas, so it's not my problem, and yes I am ignorant, every human being on earth is ignorant in some way, including you, so saying I wasn't ignorant would be a flat out lie. But then again most americans use the american media for news, so there obviously fucktards when it comes to shit like this, i however don't use the american media for news, i use the net, if im interested in something news worthy, which isn't often. So again, i believe what yei's saying but don't give a damn about the situation.


Well I am sorry I dont have that weak minded mentatilty and yes I will group you with that rest of the Americans because it is that same kind of thinking which gets us Bush after Bush after Bush. Those people who dont give a damn about what going on in our country and around the world which makes it easier for our goverments to do whatever and get away with whatever. I know you dont give a damn about Israel Palestine and you probably dont know about the billions of dollars we send to Israel even though our economy is dieing. You also probably dont know or even care about the hate that is being stirred up in the middle east. You mentioned 9-11 what if another happens it was your family who got killed due to hate how would you react? Still in that stupidly little ,"I dont give a damn mentatility as long as it is not me?" Weak minded thats all I have to say no wonder why this country is in shambles with people like you we will never have a change. No point in debating Israel Palestine with you no more because as stated you know nill about the subject stating it is ok to destroy civilian terrorties prove this as well. In a time of war what does civilians have to do with anything they are unarmed? After the war is over you occupy and steal land what does that do end the war or prolong it? I know the reason why you are ignorant about the topic beause like the rest of America we are spoon fed about how Israel is just this peacefull tiny jewish country and all of a sudden out the blue they just get attacked with no apperant reason. You dont question why our media is one sided toward Israel. You dont question why our country is weak when it comes to Israel. You dont question why AIPAC who been caught spying twice on the USA leaking important top secret information to Israel is still one of the most powerfull lobbies without any punishment occuring to them all. As long as you are happy everything is ok. I wonder if will still have that mentatilty once our economy / US dollar go to shit due to our corrupt government and world empire.

And please dont sit here and tell me to learn and except shit the way they are. If African Americans were to accept slavery and injustices upon them they would still be slaves. If we accepted Hitlers actions jews would still be locked up in concentration camps. If our founding fathers accepted the way Britain treated us there would be no America. But lets thank God they wasnt weak minded like you.
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Israels occupation of palestine, is a war, its technically considered a war, abit small but still a war.

You can say wars are bad all you want, but wars are never going to go away, wars are human nature, human nature is to fight, and a army that kills and tortures innocent people isn't as uncommon as you think, there are conflicts all over the world right now, where the killing and torturing of innocent people is going on, its simply how humans do things, and yes i shall say, get over it, because people need to get over it, most people including yourself have no idea how wars are truly played out, while sure killing innocent people and torturing them is wrong, its something that is never going to stop happening, so you just need to accept that thats how things work in the world and stop being bothered by them. easy enough to do. I did it, and so can you. You'll honestly find that your life is a lot easier and simpler if you stop caring about things that don't directly effect you. Honeslty its the easiest solution to things like this. Just stop being bothered by them, seems easy enough right ? You have to understand that the world is a very unmoral place, with things like torture and rape and murder and child enslavement going on all over the place, just learn to ignore them. And besides, Israel isn't the only one at fault here, most of the other countries around Israel want Israel gone and every last jew hung and killed. There is a lot of hate against Israel, there has been for a long time, Israel is simply fed up with it, all they ever wanted to do was just be left alone and to be able to live their lives in peace. But its easier for us all (the people not involved in Israel - Hamas conflict ) to just ignore it because it's not our problem.



You could call it a war, but it technically isn't. It's just occupied people who are being oppressed, and a few of them fighting back. It's human nature to be bothered by these things, and it's a good thing. If no one was bothered by rape or torture or any horrible injustice, no one would think they were wrong and not many people would try to stop them, or just be against them. If no one cares, these things will get worse and the more people care, the less these things will be allowed to happen.

And people do stop injustices and make a difference all the time, with organizations like Amnesty International or the Red Cross, etc., these organizations help other people, and they can do so because people care. Obviously we can't end all of the bad things, but we can do something. You know that saying, if you save one person, it's as if you've saved the whole world? If you stop being bothered by great injustices, it sort of takes away your morality. And if you are an immoral person who doesn't condemn what you know is wrong, what good does that do? It just makes you a horrible person.

Aaaaand yet again, you don't understand what the Israel-Hamas situation is.
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Allhailodin wrote:


drizza wrote:


Allhailodin wrote:


Yei wrote:


You really don't know much about this, do you? First of all, stealing a giant group of people's country, ethnically cleansing/massacring them in the process, and stealing all their land and homes tends to get people mad. That's what Israel did to become a country, why people have been hating on Israel since then is not a mystery.


Ok, fair enough, i'd be kinda pissed if that happened to me. I can see that



Okay, really, you need to really start understanding this situation properly. What do you mean "it's a war"? The Israel occupation of Palestine is a war? Or do you mean the recent conflict?


Look in a perfect world, in wars, no innocent people would die, hell in a perfect world there would be no wars, but since this is not a perfect world, wars happen, and they happen in such a way that innocent people tend to die, and sometimes in large numbers aka the holocaust. Innocent people die, thats just the way it is. people need to get over that. death and destruction are part of a war, war is not pretty, people need to get over that as well, so when you see things like the napam of veitnam and get all pissed off saying "oh thats horrible" pshh, get over it, thats how a war works ok, people die, painfully. sucks yeah, but deal with it. and frankly if you don't like what Israel is doing, why not just take over Israel and change it ? And yes you a 16 year old girl actually do have the power to do that if you wanted to. There are several ways that you could go about doing that.


Well because in the Holocaust they were deliberately targeting innocent civilians as in Israel case they say they are not. Israel was suppose to target hamas so how did 1300 civilian casualties die in that atempt? Why was the UN building which is source for palestinian aid and refuge bombed? Neighborhoods bombed, Hospitals bombed, Universities bombed and on top of that the illegal settlements. It is in your opinion I suppose ok for a country to illegally take land and build their settlements. Imagine you are living in your house and some random guy sets up walls inside your house and now claim that his territory. You cant even use your own bathroom because beyond that wall on ly israel citicizens can use. And this is inside your own damn property that is what is going on in Palestine. More then 500,000 settlers in living in Occupied territory. Now my question is Israel states that this is for security purposes so why the hell would allow civilians to live in territories so close to the enemy? Lol your telling a muslim/ non muslim to take over a jewish country are you serious? Lol there is no point for me to even elaborate on that sentence.

As Yei stated you really know nill about this topic and your showing how ignorant most Americans are on this subject as well.



Israel was suppose to target hamas so how did 1300 civilian casualties die in that atempt?
Easy, they also targeted civilians.


Why was the UN building which is source for palestinian aid and refuge bombed?
Because Israel didn't want to get the hamas people treated.


Neighborhoods bombed, Hospitals bombed, Universities bombed and on top of that the illegal settlements.
frankly i'd do the same thing if i was trying to take over another country,


It is in your opinion I suppose ok for a country to illegally take land and build their settlements. Imagine you are living in your house and some random guy sets up walls inside your house and now claim that his territory.
That's how it works yeah, when you want to expand your country, that's exactly what you do. Doesn't mean it's right, but that's what you do.


Now my question is Israel states that this is for security purposes so why the hell would allow civilians to live in territories so close to the enemy?
What's wrong with putting houses up near the border ? Its useable land, so why not use it ?


As Yei stated you really know nill about this topic and your showing how ignorant most Americans are on this subject as well.


I read that, and I don't doubt that Israel is the one at fault, everything Yei said makes perfect sense to me, but don't group me in with most Americans, most americans are complete ignorant fucktards who don't think for themselves and mindlessly conform to whatevers the biggest thing at the moment, so don't group me in with those retards, I read what Yei said, and I don't doubt it, But I don't really care, it doesn't concern me so why should I give a flying fuck about it ? See I tend to not about most things unless their staring me in the face. this isn't doing that, so why should I care ? It's not like I know anyone in those areas, so it's not my problem, and yes I am ignorant, every human being on earth is ignorant in some way, including you, so saying I wasn't ignorant would be a flat out lie. But then again most americans use the american media for news, so there obviously fucktards when it comes to shit like this, i however don't use the american media for news, i use the net, if im interested in something news worthy, which isn't often. So again, i believe what yei's saying but don't give a damn about the situation.


Well I am sorry I dont have that weak minded mentatilty and yes I will group you with that rest of the Americans because it is that same kind of thinking which gets us Bush after Bush after Bush. Those people who dont give a damn about what going on in our country and around the world which makes it easier for our goverments to do whatever and get away with whatever. I know you dont give a damn about Israel Palestine and you probably dont know about the billions of dollars we send to Israel even though our economy is dieing. You also probably dont know or even care about the hate that is being stirred up in the middle east. You mentioned 9-11 what if another happens it was your family who got killed due to hate how would you react? Still in that stupidly little ,"I dont give a damn mentatility as long as it is not me?" Weak minded thats all I have to say no wonder why this country is in shambles with people like you we will never have a change. No point in debating Israel Palestine with you no more because as stated you know nill about the subject stating it is ok to destroy civilian terrorties prove this as well. In a time of war what does civilians have to do with anything they are unarmed? After the war is over you occupy and steal land what does that do end the war or prolong it? I know the reason why you are ignorant about the topic beause like the rest of America we are spoon fed about how Israel is just this peacefull tiny jewish country and all of a sudden out the blue they just get attacked with no apperant reason. You dont question why our media is one sided toward Israel. You dont question why our country is weak when it comes to Israel. You dont question why AIPAC who been caught spying twice on the USA leaking important top secret information to Israel is still one of the most powerfull lobbies without any punishment occuring to them all. As long as you are happy everything is ok. I wonder if will still have that mentatilty once our economy / US dollar go to shit due to our corrupt government and world empire.

And please dont sit here and tell me to learn and except shit the way they are. If African Americans were to accept slavery and injustices upon them they would still be slaves. If we accepted Hitlers actions jews would still be locked up in concentration camps. If our founding fathers accepted the way Britain treated us there would be no America. But lets thank God they wasnt weak minded like you.


Billions is a small number when it comes to our ecomemy. If there sending a few billion dollars to Israel then, fine, its only a small amount of money anyway. And when it comes to war unarmed civilians are a great tool to use against the enemy, start slaughtering a few thousand unarmed civilians and you can turn the war in your favor rather fast. Great war tactic. Sure they didn't have anything to do with the way before it was decided that they get dragged into it, but now there a war tool. And I don't question why our media is one sided twards israel, because its our media, who the fuck believes what they say, their one sided about everything, any person who gets his news from the american media is a retard , go to the interweb, easier to do. Call my mentality weak minded if you want, but your just a fucktard who likes to bitch about the goverment, we got plenty of those, we don't need another one, sure the goverment is corrupt, what goverment isnt ? If you don't like it, overthrow the goverment and become a dictator. But if your gonna bitch about it and do nothing to stop it, then your just wasting your breath, your just another useless person who likes to bitch but does nothing about it. IF you don't like our goverment so much go get your own fucking country and live there. And our country is weak because it became sympathetic, a bad mistake. if we weren't sympathetic and just slaughtered anything that got in our way, we'd be a stronger country. It's how i'd do things if i had a country.
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