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A Failed Japanese Policy to Save The Dying Anime Industry, The Anime Textbooks
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Posted 2/11/09

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salafid wrote:



Ooh...I like this forum, its not full of smileys and graphics (though that knight (I'm guessing)) that keeps popping up kinda ruined it.

I just wanted to relay some thoughts coming from me, someone who is a recreational viewer, ignorant about the business and is not pretentious enough to copy and paste news articles in a forum.

The industry probably won't fail, for that to happen, either all/most industries(that is connected to anime viewing) have to fail or anime will go out of trend (i.e.VHS, 3DO, etc.).
I have to say, a lot of the shows I SKIMMED through are not worth watching the first episode and some of the animation on the others (even popular ones like Naruto) have become sloppy. Less shows will probably be produced but at a higher quality (I'm guessing). Its not only the Animators who are going to be affected, but everyone who is connected to it. I know this has happed to the company I work for, laid-off people who don't deserve thier pay, produced less quantities but at a higher function, quality and trend (I know I'm being vague).

I do take offense that you're challenging U.S. citizens (just got mine 2 yrs. ago). People from other countries(like Canada) always criticize us and seem to think that for something global to happen, the US have to take the lead...we are not the only country in the world people!

At least you seem passionate about a cause, it is more than I could say about a lot of people who are either glued to thier couches or have become vegetables. If you go further with you're cause remains to be seen.

On a final note, one thing I can't stand is hypocrisy...you seem to be missing a star beside your name.

However, the internet was based on a 1969 defense project called ARPANET, developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency(DARPA), of the United States Department of Defense. So of course the US government has to set the example on regulating a piece of technology that their military invented, which is now being used by internet users worldwide for intellectual property theft, thanks to a lack of self regulation from the OSP, with a loophole created in the internet policy due to an unconstitutional US law known as the DMCA section 512.

And I support the anime industry through other means, for I'm a serious collector when it comes to anime series that I like:





OFF TOPIC: may i ask where did you buy your Gurren Langan box ??
Posted 2/11/09

roby55 wrote:


DomFortress wrote:


salafid wrote:



Ooh...I like this forum, its not full of smileys and graphics (though that knight (I'm guessing)) that keeps popping up kinda ruined it.

I just wanted to relay some thoughts coming from me, someone who is a recreational viewer, ignorant about the business and is not pretentious enough to copy and paste news articles in a forum.

The industry probably won't fail, for that to happen, either all/most industries(that is connected to anime viewing) have to fail or anime will go out of trend (i.e.VHS, 3DO, etc.).
I have to say, a lot of the shows I SKIMMED through are not worth watching the first episode and some of the animation on the others (even popular ones like Naruto) have become sloppy. Less shows will probably be produced but at a higher quality (I'm guessing). Its not only the Animators who are going to be affected, but everyone who is connected to it. I know this has happed to the company I work for, laid-off people who don't deserve thier pay, produced less quantities but at a higher function, quality and trend (I know I'm being vague).

I do take offense that you're challenging U.S. citizens (just got mine 2 yrs. ago). People from other countries(like Canada) always criticize us and seem to think that for something global to happen, the US have to take the lead...we are not the only country in the world people!

At least you seem passionate about a cause, it is more than I could say about a lot of people who are either glued to thier couches or have become vegetables. If you go further with you're cause remains to be seen.

On a final note, one thing I can't stand is hypocrisy...you seem to be missing a star beside your name.

However, the internet was based on a 1969 defense project called ARPANET, developed by the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency(DARPA), of the United States Department of Defense. So of course the US government has to set the example on regulating a piece of technology that their military invented, which is now being used by internet users worldwide for intellectual property theft, thanks to a lack of self regulation from the OSP, with a loophole created in the internet policy due to an unconstitutional US law known as the DMCA section 512.

And I support the anime industry through other means, for I'm a serious collector when it comes to anime series that I like:





OFF TOPIC: may i ask where did you buy your Gurren Langan box ??

I got it through online purchase from Right Stuf: http://www.rightstuf.com/cgi-bin/catalogmgr/sU0x=XCyJXfDOcle=L/browse/item/81423/4/0/0
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Well salafid, you should realize that his argument is based on an emotional stand-point, though well researched, it isnt a type of argument that will sway most of the hardcore anime watchers, but will open their eyes. it may work, it may not, but yes...hypocritical is an understatement for these threads, though i guess he writes them on sites that pirate anime(not saying that CR does) to get the attention from those who watch, but as i said, be careful how hard you push, for this cause most likely will backfire badly. i don't think alot of people will be happy when anime and the sites that provide them free are blocked and banned cause you made the OSP start stopping free anime (sighs, all those fansubbers without jobs)
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Posted 2/12/09
too bad... i don't wanna lose anime! its my one and only hobby when its getting boring at our crib!
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Well the good thing is that crunchyroll somewhat doing something about it unlike other anime websites

HURAAHHH FOR CRUNCHYROLL!!!~~~~
Posted 2/12/09

Akire21 wrote:

Well salafid, you should realize that his argument is based on an emotional stand-point, though well researched, it isnt a type of argument that will sway most of the hardcore anime watchers, but will open their eyes. it may work, it may not, but yes...hypocritical is an understatement for these threads, though i guess he writes them on sites that pirate anime(not saying that CR does) to get the attention from those who watch, but as i said, be careful how hard you push, for this cause most likely will backfire badly. i don't think alot of people will be happy when anime and the sites that provide them free are blocked and banned cause you made the OSP start stopping free anime (sighs, all those fansubbers without jobs)

Actually, my stand point is based on the science of positive psychology(http://www.ppc.sas.upenn.edu/). By pitting it against the background of a failing subculture, it makes its argument that much prominent. I can learn a lot from others' failures, apparently.
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Does anyone know where can I get these textbooks? I want them! However, the anime industry cannot and should not die. If it dies, part of Japan's culture will also die and this means no more anime for us anime fans! I believe animators should be highly paid and I myself will buy more anime dvds and mangas to support them
Posted 2/12/09

tungyu_2003 wrote:

Does anyone know where can I get these textbooks? I want them! However, the anime industry cannot and should not die. If it dies, part of Japan's culture will also die and this means no more anime for us anime fans! I believe animators should be highly paid and I myself will buy more anime dvds and mangas to support them

This is the amazon online order site: http://www.amazon.co.jp/%E3%82%A2%E3%83%8B%E3%83%A1%E3%81%AE%E6%95%99%E7%A7%91%E6%9B%B8-%E3%82%A2%E3%83%8B%E3%83%A1%E4%BA%BA%E6%9D%90%E8%82%B2%E6%88%90%E3%83%BB%E6%95%99%E8%82%B2%E3%83%97%E3%83%AD%E3%82%B0%E3%83%A9%E3%83%A0%E5%A7%94%E5%93%A1%E4%BC%9A/dp/4990445503


I don't order things online through amazon, so I can't be much of help from here on.
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Thank you~
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awhh,,,,,, how sad,,,

i hope anime would still rock the world of all anime lovers!
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I don't actually believe the internet is as big a threat as is being portrayed. Look at CR it has become a platform from which companies can market and reduce piracy by streaming under license. I think the largest problem may actually be second hand sales IMO. If you think about it say 1 person purchases a series.

They then sell it on ebay, this second sale shows no profit to the company since it is not being purchased directly. That 2nd person then resells it. This makes 2 sales that the company does not see profit on and so forth. You get enough people doing that and the company is selling 1 copy for every actual 4 or 5 sales.

Of course, times are hard, so inexpensive is the way to go. if you can get a series that is normally retail $60 for $20 and you're looking to save money you'll go with the $20. Unfortunately, this means the next series that comes out ends up being $65 because they need to generate capital.

I purchase a mix depending on the size and ultimate cost of the series. My collection in anime totals well over $5,000. $3-4000 of which was purchase directly from distributors. The rest ebay, livejournal and what not. I do try to purchase as much as possible from distributors since anime is a love of both myself and my son and supporting the industry is appropriate. When looking that these statistics its important to keep some things in mind. Provided you are not living in say Tokyo. ( rental prices are a real pain there. My current apartment in the US in Tokyo would be about $3000 a month to rent) The cost of living in Japan is significantly lower than most places in the US.

Japanese CEOs UNLIKE the US are more likely to take a PAY cut first prior to pay cutting or laying off employees. Shocking yes but true. They have a social responsibility which is not found in the US. Believe me if the CEO of US companies had the social obligation to assist in finding work to the people they laid off there would be significantly less layoffs though that's beside the point. The industry won't die but like everything else consumer spending is down and that means profits are down. Even US distributors took a heavy loss this last quarter and are now cutting back on licensing budgets accordingly.
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Janneson wrote:

I can't really see the anime industry DIEING completely though. Maybe going a little bad. But anime is too popular to die I think any ways. I'm certainly no expert. But a lot of people like anime. It's deffinatly a poblem. Japan seems to be having a lot of economic problems these days on top of that, but who doesn't?
The Anime industry is absolutely in decline.

If revenue continues to drop, then so will production and production quality. <<This equals a dying industry.

The declining economy does not account for the decline in anime industry revenue, especially considering the fact that the industry most closely related to the Anime industry, the Video Game industry, is seeing record sales and being heralded as recession proof.
The biggest and only difference of consequence between these two industries? There is a profound lack of ease in obtaining pirated video game console media and hardware.

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Jei_Ken wrote:

Wow.... I didn't know the anime industry was dying. I thought it would only get better becos of improved technology and all that. Sad
Doesn't matter how much the technology improves, if no one is pumping their hard earned money into the Anime Industry.

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lavendar wrote:

I don't actually believe the internet is as big a threat as is being portrayed. Look at CR it has become a platform from which companies can market and reduce piracy by streaming under license.


The problem is that the companies really don´t do anything to reduce it. They only throw more gasoline on the fire because they refuse to let everyone see their shows.


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They then sell it on ebay, this second sale shows no profit to the company since it is not being purchased directly. That 2nd person then resells it. This makes 2 sales that the company does not see profit on and so forth. You get enough people doing that and the company is selling 1 copy for every actual 4 or 5 sales.


And so?

If they buy it on E-bay the companies don´t win or lose, because it doesn't mean that they would have bought it if they didn't find it there.

For all we know they wouldn't even think about buying it in the first place, but when they saw the Anime on E-bay way cheaper than the store price they got interested in it and bought it.


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Of course, times are hard, so inexpensive is the way to go. if you can get a series that is normally retail $60 for $20 and you're looking to save money you'll go with the $20. Unfortunately, this means the next series that comes out ends up being $65 because they need to generate capital.


Not only because times are hard. But not everyone have the money to pay the blood prices that they ask for. For the same price as 1 Anime DVD i can buy 3-4 normal movies here.........

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It's a bad and a good thing. I can't really tell cause 1st the internet is an important asset but it also has a lag back on piracy which is technically stealing but indirectly and this is really an economic crisis cause maybe later in the years there would be a decrease on animators which will end up for no anime for us... Arrghh so hard to decide which to side on cause I also stream
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