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It is a great skill to avoid a fight, but when it's unavoidable we must use a set of skills to defend ourselves.. This forum is about how can you defend yourself from a knife, a gun, stick, a bat, and etc. You may add on your approach more than once if you like. This is great for situations..Please try to keep it realistic.. if you can muahhahahaha.
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I always think if someone had a knife, I would be able to catch them off guard and kick it out of thier hand. I dont trust my grappling skills enough to wrestle it away.
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most_unpredictable_ninja wrote:

It is a great skill to avoid a fight, but when it's unavoidable we must use a set of skills to defend ourselves.. This forum is about how can you defend yourself from a knife, a gun, stick, a bat, and etc. You may add on your approach more than once if you like. This is great for situations..Please try to keep it realistic.. if you can muahhahahaha.


fighting seriously against someone that has a weapon is always a dangerous act. i was always taught that when you go into a weapons battle, always be ready to be cut/stabbed/hit. you may be faster than other people, but knowing that it's possible that you'll be cut will be a clear advantage cause you won't freak out when it does happen. try to keep your arms and legs pretty close to you. the closer your hit points are to your opponent, the easier it is to cut/strike. it's also good to know that most people will not know how to fight with a knife, stick, or bat. the most probable strikes will be a forward stab, overhead stab ("psycho stab"), or cuts coming from what ever side he/she is holding the knife (i.e. (this is all from the knife wielders perspective) a person is right handed, cut that goes from high right to low left, a person that's left handed, a cut that goes from high left to low right) these strikes are the most basic that most people will use. protect your vital parts is just an automatic and doesn't need to be explained. your best bet, is to run the hell away lol... least that's what i would do...

now i don't know if i should be putting this on the forums cause it pretty much tells people what to strike when YOUR the one with the knife... but i believe knowledge should be shared and understood. i won't list all possible techniques and hit points, and i won't get into too much detail. this can be used to protect those listed points, or help to disarm/"defang the snake". your throat is possibly one of the points that people will go for if they are trying for the kill due to where the jugular vein is. what alot of people don't know is that your jugular runs all the way down to around your armpit area. cutting under the armpits is the same as slicing the jugular in the throat. instead of aiming for an area that is small and well guarded by your opponent, you go for under the armpits due to having more area, easier to get to, and less guarded. this is also a kill spot and should never be used unless you are in fear for your life. another decent area which is not considered a kill point is cutting the person's biceps. cutting the biceps renders their arms useless, and is a good way to stop the fight quick lol. those are 2 areas that i pointed out, theres a couple more but i believe those 2 should handle the job with most people attacking you on the street. also good to protect those spots since you know about them now. also, if you do happen to stab... which i just dislike and prefer not to... always remember to stab, twist, pull out... once you stab someone the wound acts as a suction on the knife (unless your knife has blood grooves to allow oxygen in) making it hard to pull out. twisting the knife however allows the knife to break suction and allow oxygen to enter so you can easily pull the knife back out. also makes them bleed out due to the body not being able to suction the opened wound. kk i'm done, feels like a wrote an essay there are a couple more moves that people who took escrima/arnis/kali would know... but i don't want to give up all my secrets cause then i'd have a tougher time in a life or death situation

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gah forgot to put it up on my post, i am not a certified instructor... these are just techniques that i've learned throughout the years... i dont encourage violence lol i'm actually pretty peaceful
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yes me too. good stuff, razors.. =)

i learned the best way to escape an attack is to pass through it.. disecting one side of a person.... leaving one part of yourself invulnerable.
plus it can help kep them off balanced..
the scariest attack is the one you can not control.. such as the sewing needle in which the knife is continiously going backward and forwards.. but if the psychology of a person is to prevent pain more than relieve pleasure such as punching someone in the face or stabbing someone..
if you can make them remember by causing them pain and put them back into safety position.. the attention can be averted.

and same here LS
I was playfighting with zan tsai(one on one ..with one tsai only) with my friend and had put it on video.. it was crazy..
its like both BOTH OF US.. WENT NUTS. I tried to throw him.. he kept stabbing me.. which is by instinct..
we must change some of our reflexes.. to fight instinct.. with skill or skill and instinct to overcome..
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yes me too. good stuff, razors.. =)

i learned the best way to escape an attack is to pass through it.. disecting one side of a person.... leaving one part of yourself invulnerable.
plus it can help kep them off balanced..
the scariest attack is the one you can not control.. such as the sewing needle in which the knife is continiously going backward and forwards.. but if the psychology of a person is to prevent pain more than relieve pleasure such as punching someone in the face or stabbing someone..
if you can make them remember by causing them pain and put them back into safety position.. the attention can be averted.

and same here LS
I was playfighting with zan tsai(one on one ..with one tsai only) with my friend and had put it on video.. it was crazy..
its like both BOTH OF US.. WENT NUTS. I tried to throw him.. he kept stabbing me.. which is by instinct..
we must change some of our reflexes.. to fight instinct.. with skill or skill and instinct to overcome..



heh, which is why pain is a double edged sword. most people will think of pain as something they don't want. that does make sense, i wouldn't want to feel pain 24/7 lol. but pain can also work as a way to keep you on your toes if you don't want to feel the pain of being punched or stabbed... move the hell away, block, or slip ^-^v and as you said ninja, if you can make them focus on defending due to their pain threshold, you've already instilled fear into your opponent which is the worst thing you can feel during a fight in my opinion.
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most_unpredictable_ninja wrote:

yes me too. good stuff, razors.. =)

i learned the best way to escape an attack is to pass through it.. disecting one side of a person.... leaving one part of yourself invulnerable.
plus it can help kep them off balanced..
the scariest attack is the one you can not control.. such as the sewing needle in which the knife is continiously going backward and forwards.. but if the psychology of a person is to prevent pain more than relieve pleasure such as punching someone in the face or stabbing someone..
if you can make them remember by causing them pain and put them back into safety position.. the attention can be averted.

and same here LS
I was playfighting with zan tsai(one on one ..with one tsai only) with my friend and had put it on video.. it was crazy..
its like both BOTH OF US.. WENT NUTS. I tried to throw him.. he kept stabbing me.. which is by instinct..
we must change some of our reflexes.. to fight instinct.. with skill or skill and instinct to overcome..



heh, which is why pain is a double edged sword. most people will think of pain as something they don't want. that does make sense, i wouldn't want to feel pain 24/7 lol. but pain can also work as a way to keep you on your toes if you don't want to feel the pain of being punched or stabbed... move the hell away, block, or slip ^-^v and as you said ninja, if you can make them focus on defending due to their pain threshold, you've already instilled fear into your opponent which is the worst thing you can feel during a fight in my opinion.


but how to train.let alone by oneself to drill??? shadow box with a knife? omg!! im so psyched..thankgod for the wii..
i mean you got clubs and what ever..but how bout by yourself?????
i get a knick and i'm like jumpy lol.. but today 2/17/09
i kept thinking to myself..
the pain of dealing with a knife is getting sliced or get it stuck to you..
the fear of using it.is backfiring,. (or is it going to jail for murder.. cuz i dont think you want to think of that when fighting for your life!)
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Posted 2/17/09 , edited 2/17/09

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pandaz0rs wrote:


most_unpredictable_ninja wrote:

yes me too. good stuff, razors.. =)

i learned the best way to escape an attack is to pass through it.. disecting one side of a person.... leaving one part of yourself invulnerable.
plus it can help kep them off balanced..
the scariest attack is the one you can not control.. such as the sewing needle in which the knife is continiously going backward and forwards.. but if the psychology of a person is to prevent pain more than relieve pleasure such as punching someone in the face or stabbing someone..
if you can make them remember by causing them pain and put them back into safety position.. the attention can be averted.

and same here LS
I was playfighting with zan tsai(one on one ..with one tsai only) with my friend and had put it on video.. it was crazy..
its like both BOTH OF US.. WENT NUTS. I tried to throw him.. he kept stabbing me.. which is by instinct..
we must change some of our reflexes.. to fight instinct.. with skill or skill and instinct to overcome..



heh, which is why pain is a double edged sword. most people will think of pain as something they don't want. that does make sense, i wouldn't want to feel pain 24/7 lol. but pain can also work as a way to keep you on your toes if you don't want to feel the pain of being punched or stabbed... move the hell away, block, or slip ^-^v and as you said ninja, if you can make them focus on defending due to their pain threshold, you've already instilled fear into your opponent which is the worst thing you can feel during a fight in my opinion.


but how to train.let alone by oneself to drill??? shadow box with a knife? omg!! im so psyched..thankgod for the wii..
i mean you got clubs and what ever..but how bout by yourself?????
i get a knick and i'm like jumpy lol.. but today 2/17/09
i kept thinking to myself..
the pain of dealing with a knife is getting sliced or get it stuck to you..
the fear of using it.is backfiring,. (or is it going to jail for murder.. cuz i dont think you want to think of that when fighting for your life!)


the only form of training i've ever had with knives are with training knives. i dont shadow box with a knife lol, but i do practice my learned knife techniques in free flow by myself. i happen to be lucky enough to train with a partner every so often during class though. i've also never been cut or stabbed, but i do personally think that if it was to happen, due to my state of mind and constant training i don't think i would be would freaked out enough to let it hinder my judgment. at least i HOPE i wouldn't be . btw forgive my run on sentences
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most_unpredictable_ninja wrote:


pandaz0rs wrote:


most_unpredictable_ninja wrote:

yes me too. good stuff, razors.. =)

i learned the best way to escape an attack is to pass through it.. disecting one side of a person.... leaving one part of yourself invulnerable.
plus it can help kep them off balanced..
the scariest attack is the one you can not control.. such as the sewing needle in which the knife is continiously going backward and forwards.. but if the psychology of a person is to prevent pain more than relieve pleasure such as punching someone in the face or stabbing someone..
if you can make them remember by causing them pain and put them back into safety position.. the attention can be averted.

and same here LS
I was playfighting with zan tsai(one on one ..with one tsai only) with my friend and had put it on video.. it was crazy..
its like both BOTH OF US.. WENT NUTS. I tried to throw him.. he kept stabbing me.. which is by instinct..
we must change some of our reflexes.. to fight instinct.. with skill or skill and instinct to overcome..



heh, which is why pain is a double edged sword. most people will think of pain as something they don't want. that does make sense, i wouldn't want to feel pain 24/7 lol. but pain can also work as a way to keep you on your toes if you don't want to feel the pain of being punched or stabbed... move the hell away, block, or slip ^-^v and as you said ninja, if you can make them focus on defending due to their pain threshold, you've already instilled fear into your opponent which is the worst thing you can feel during a fight in my opinion.


but how to train.let alone by oneself to drill??? shadow box with a knife? omg!! im so psyched..thankgod for the wii..
i mean you got clubs and what ever..but how bout by yourself?????
i get a knick and i'm like jumpy lol.. but today 2/17/09
i kept thinking to myself..
the pain of dealing with a knife is getting sliced or get it stuck to you..
the fear of using it.is backfiring,. (or is it going to jail for murder.. cuz i dont think you want to think of that when fighting for your life!)


the only form of training i've ever had with knives are with training knives. i dont shadow box with a knife lol, but i do practice my learned knife techniques in free flow by myself. i happen to be lucky enough to train with a partner every so often during class though. i've also never been cut or stabbed, but i do personally think that if it was to happen, due to my state of mind and constant training i don't think i would be would freaked out enough to let it hinder my judgment. at least i HOPE i wouldn't be . btw forgive my run on sentences


free flow with knives sounds meditative.. and you are lucky to have a partner and that you dont get sliced or stabbed// see thats cool that you know how your mind set should be for the battle =). no shanking for me please..
omg i learned some krav maga, aikido, and karate tehniques at my schools martial arts club.. i was like yo! this is awesome!!! I MEAN the comparisons on wat to do in a situation is slightly a difference in using energy by far
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most_unpredictable_ninja wrote:


pandaz0rs wrote:


most_unpredictable_ninja wrote:


pandaz0rs wrote:


most_unpredictable_ninja wrote:

yes me too. good stuff, razors.. =)

i learned the best way to escape an attack is to pass through it.. disecting one side of a person.... leaving one part of yourself invulnerable.
plus it can help kep them off balanced..
the scariest attack is the one you can not control.. such as the sewing needle in which the knife is continiously going backward and forwards.. but if the psychology of a person is to prevent pain more than relieve pleasure such as punching someone in the face or stabbing someone..
if you can make them remember by causing them pain and put them back into safety position.. the attention can be averted.

and same here LS
I was playfighting with zan tsai(one on one ..with one tsai only) with my friend and had put it on video.. it was crazy..
its like both BOTH OF US.. WENT NUTS. I tried to throw him.. he kept stabbing me.. which is by instinct..
we must change some of our reflexes.. to fight instinct.. with skill or skill and instinct to overcome..



heh, which is why pain is a double edged sword. most people will think of pain as something they don't want. that does make sense, i wouldn't want to feel pain 24/7 lol. but pain can also work as a way to keep you on your toes if you don't want to feel the pain of being punched or stabbed... move the hell away, block, or slip ^-^v and as you said ninja, if you can make them focus on defending due to their pain threshold, you've already instilled fear into your opponent which is the worst thing you can feel during a fight in my opinion.


but how to train.let alone by oneself to drill??? shadow box with a knife? omg!! im so psyched..thankgod for the wii..
i mean you got clubs and what ever..but how bout by yourself?????
i get a knick and i'm like jumpy lol.. but today 2/17/09
i kept thinking to myself..
the pain of dealing with a knife is getting sliced or get it stuck to you..
the fear of using it.is backfiring,. (or is it going to jail for murder.. cuz i dont think you want to think of that when fighting for your life!)


the only form of training i've ever had with knives are with training knives. i dont shadow box with a knife lol, but i do practice my learned knife techniques in free flow by myself. i happen to be lucky enough to train with a partner every so often during class though. i've also never been cut or stabbed, but i do personally think that if it was to happen, due to my state of mind and constant training i don't think i would be would freaked out enough to let it hinder my judgment. at least i HOPE i wouldn't be . btw forgive my run on sentences


free flow with knives sounds meditative.. and you are lucky to have a partner and that you dont get sliced or stabbed// see thats cool that you know how your mind set should be for the battle =). no shanking for me please..
omg i learned some krav maga, aikido, and karate tehniques at my schools martial arts club.. i was like yo! this is awesome!!! I MEAN the comparisons on wat to do in a situation is slightly a difference in using energy by far


heh nice, krav maga is crazy. i hear they use WHATEVER is next to them to fight lol. bottle here, table there, break them through a wall?! i'd end up getting hurt if i was to try that style out lol
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pandaz0rs wrote:


most_unpredictable_ninja wrote:


pandaz0rs wrote:


most_unpredictable_ninja wrote:


pandaz0rs wrote:


most_unpredictable_ninja wrote:

yes me too. good stuff, razors.. =)

i learned the best way to escape an attack is to pass through it.. disecting one side of a person.... leaving one part of yourself invulnerable.
plus it can help kep them off balanced..
the scariest attack is the one you can not control.. such as the sewing needle in which the knife is continiously going backward and forwards.. but if the psychology of a person is to prevent pain more than relieve pleasure such as punching someone in the face or stabbing someone..
if you can make them remember by causing them pain and put them back into safety position.. the attention can be averted.

and same here LS
I was playfighting with zan tsai(one on one ..with one tsai only) with my friend and had put it on video.. it was crazy..
its like both BOTH OF US.. WENT NUTS. I tried to throw him.. he kept stabbing me.. which is by instinct..
we must change some of our reflexes.. to fight instinct.. with skill or skill and instinct to overcome..



heh, which is why pain is a double edged sword. most people will think of pain as something they don't want. that does make sense, i wouldn't want to feel pain 24/7 lol. but pain can also work as a way to keep you on your toes if you don't want to feel the pain of being punched or stabbed... move the hell away, block, or slip ^-^v and as you said ninja, if you can make them focus on defending due to their pain threshold, you've already instilled fear into your opponent which is the worst thing you can feel during a fight in my opinion.


but how to train.let alone by oneself to drill??? shadow box with a knife? omg!! im so psyched..thankgod for the wii..
i mean you got clubs and what ever..but how bout by yourself?????
i get a knick and i'm like jumpy lol.. but today 2/17/09
i kept thinking to myself..
the pain of dealing with a knife is getting sliced or get it stuck to you..
the fear of using it.is backfiring,. (or is it going to jail for murder.. cuz i dont think you want to think of that when fighting for your life!)


the only form of training i've ever had with knives are with training knives. i dont shadow box with a knife lol, but i do practice my learned knife techniques in free flow by myself. i happen to be lucky enough to train with a partner every so often during class though. i've also never been cut or stabbed, but i do personally think that if it was to happen, due to my state of mind and constant training i don't think i would be would freaked out enough to let it hinder my judgment. at least i HOPE i wouldn't be . btw forgive my run on sentences


free flow with knives sounds meditative.. and you are lucky to have a partner and that you dont get sliced or stabbed// see thats cool that you know how your mind set should be for the battle =). no shanking for me please..
omg i learned some krav maga, aikido, and karate tehniques at my schools martial arts club.. i was like yo! this is awesome!!! I MEAN the comparisons on wat to do in a situation is slightly a difference in using energy by far


heh nice, krav maga is crazy. i hear they use WHATEVER is next to them to fight lol. bottle here, table there, break them through a wall?! i'd end up getting hurt if i was to try that style out lol


maybe but every martial art has a foundation.. ...but mmm throwing tables? or smashing faces in them.. i thought you were talking about a movie for a second.. i think krav's foundation is forward pressure..
dude im just experimenting on taking hits.. but not the nuts lol
i van take a punch much better now.. my stance is put into my muscle memory..that i punch kick and knee, and whatever wals and doors..
but training in sparring i still get nervous.. so just like we talked about.. i remind myself that i will get punched or kicked in the face.. which is scary cuz i dont get that happened to me except once or twice.. so training to forward myself.. and FEEL when to use necessary techniues and movements..when being attacked.. especially in striking is my next step.. hows your bunkai(applications) training?
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an weapons training.. krav is by far one of the most simplest things to catch.. and its very similar to wingchun, and jkd which i like cuz.. grappling INSTINCTIVELY for weapon control is practically almost suicide. I learned 10 rules..wsuggst to myself by farhich i'll
1) attempt to run if you can
2) give them your money dont be too daring
3) every moves appication isn't perfect.. either its hit or miss
4) have a back up plan
5) control even a bit of dignity and nervous control
6) watch out for the other hand or leg they will use
7) secure that you wont get stabbed in your heart and gut.. or spine..
8) cover your veins and arteries if ou can
9) when there are too many.. concentrate on them as if they are one being in the same
10) realize you will get cut or stabbed while defending yourself.. your closer to playing his game if you are grappling..but jointlocking after knocking some sense in them first.. should be necessary.. if you paralyze them even if they have they're weapon. make sure its away from you... cut corners if you must. use doors.. windows.. the bottle, the stick or bash them on the wall or table (thank you razor =))
if they are holding the weapon while your beating the crap out of them.. get some help afterwards..

oh yeah thats like many rules in 10 but top rule for me.. isssss
the best defense is not having the weapon used on you..
when you must.. you'll know wat you trained or
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listen to their voice.. there's a clue.. whether you should a attack..or just give everything away, but you're life..
your thief maybe a cop, thinking you're the offender.. then it's over. but if you listen.. you'll know.. chances are.

you wont get to see your bastard killer, or robber, or prick, and exgirlfriend, or boyfriend..
but if you dont recognise them, and he wants to hurt you, rape you, murder you..
Then it's time to raise your temperature... let that spirit out!! Let your blood boil if you must..
I praise the cool fighter!.. But even frozenfighters will heat the scene..
there are no rules.. there are only.. situations, and acceptances,
take little exceptions.. remember in this round, there is no time limit, and
the one who.wins... is the one most violent
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most_unpredictable_ninja wrote:

listen to their voice.. there's a clue.. whether you should a attack..or just give everything away, but you're life..
your thief maybe a cop, thinking you're the offender.. then it's over. but if you listen.. you'll know.. chances are.

you wont get to see your bastard killer, or robber, or prick, and exgirlfriend, or boyfriend..
but if you dont recognise them, and he wants to hurt you, rape you, murder you..
Then it's time to raise your temperature... let that spirit out!! Let your blood boil if you must..
I praise the cool fighter!.. But even frozenfighters will heat the scene..
there are no rules.. there are only.. situations, and acceptances,
take little exceptions.. remember in this round, there is no time limit, and
the one who.wins... is the one most violent


dont freeze, and even if you have to give your money..do not anger your assailant..
when you have to use your cunning, and use your force, not always brute force.. and do it quick.. and have a cellphone.. if you dont have a cellphone.. make sure you know your escape route..
the hardest thing is to fight blindly in the dark.. you literally cant see shit in the dark.. so what the fuck's the hold up.. use your eyes, use your senses.. (i regard my cursing to noone but it's the truth) feel their intent.. and overcome them with yours

tomorrow.. i'm gonna learn to use a chair, or a book.. easier said then done.. when you're opponent is very active.. and you train solo so yeah.
thank god for the innovators including ed parker he's was a smart fellow.. ppl under-estimate him, i like him, as well as bruce for their self defense practicality for the modern world, as well as jujutsu, and arnis.. shit even if you learn tradition.. how can you become formless without learning the form?

every situation is different.. every one no matter how similar it looks. an extra head, or a gun or knife, or a broken arm or leg.. or closed corner
or even friend or relative there makes a big difference.. i wish i had swat training
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As a former TKD student, I'd just kick their knees in... Doesn't really matter if they've got a knife or two, if the opponent is a regular mob, he can't do a shit for a guy who has practised reflexes and kicking for over six years... -_-

See? Quite confident about my skills. I've never been stabbed, but I was being group-mutilated by other kids quite a few times when I was younger, so I know what pain is and I can handle it. (You can bet how their faces looked when I punched back for first time ^^)
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