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Hmmm.... I love Pac just as much as everyone but in the top 5? I don't think so. People always say that Pac was overrated and his lyrics wasn't so hot. In some ways I agree with them but the one thing about Pac that people loved about him was his passion and the way his music hit people emotionally. No one can deny the imapct he made but there are many Hip Hop artists that are considered better than Pac and influenced the game just as much or more.


Yeah man Respect !!! totally agree with this...
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I say he's the best becuz he's the most well-rounded.... was he the best at everything, of course not.
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OM NOT GOING YO DEBATE HERE ANYMORE !!!!!!!!!!!!

imo 2PAC is not and will NEVER be in top 5 List... i aint feeling his rap and dont like his flow.........
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well who is you top 5....
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What is this damn impact ya;ll keep trying to beat people over the head with?
What fucking impact????? Other than what other rap music or any other music does to any human. When it boils down to it all it is is music.........True Tupac talked about some real shit back in the the day and it holds true today.............But so does half the music other artists have made like Gil Scott Heron, Curtis Mayfield (PLEASE LOOK HIM UP 1970's poet/singer) so what positive impact has he made on the black society besides add a more colorful discography of rap and hip hop music? Nothing.

Maybe I can say he educated the young black youth a little. Yet we still have " Brenda's got a Baby" issues. So lets not talk about influence......because music is nothing more than entertainment as Tupac's whole career was based to entertain/ and maybe attempt to educate dumb niggas............Also what the hell did Eminem contribute other than his sad ,poor white trash story to many others ( in country music)

Ya'll niggas blowin Tupac up to be Barack Obama it seems. His influence is about as minimal as the next rappers. I understand he was a great artist, but when I see folks admiring him as a Revoltutionary, considering what his 'impact' has done, I can not see him on that level. When everyone speaks of him today, it's as if he was involved with "direct community action"....which some do on a daily basis, without the help of album sales, publicists, major record company promotions and videos. (I love his mother, but she too is included in remaking the myth and blatant repackinging of Pac as "mystic, prophet and revolutionary) Should we hold Pac above these individuals?

And to end off with a random quote
"...."Tupac Shakur was an actor portraying "thug life".
That's what I said from the begining. A actor. A entertainer. Far from a "revolutionary." Maybe a cultural rebel, but not a "revolutionary", not even in the rap game, cause what he was saying echoed the same death and destruction other individuals in the game said earlier."

And a final quote from Tupac himself:
I make records...People think this is my real life...I just make records."



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Okay. I'm out.
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What is this damn impact ya;ll keep trying to beat people over the head with?
What fucking impact????? Other than what other rap music or any other music does to any human. When it boils down to it all it is is music.........True Tupac talked about some real shit back in the the day and it holds true today.............But so does half the music other artists have made like Gil Scott Heron, Curtis Mayfield (PLEASE LOOK HIM UP 1970's poet/singer) so what positive impact has he made on the black society besides add a more colorful discography of rap and hip hop music? Nothing.

Maybe I can say he educated the young black youth a little. Yet we still have " Brenda's got a Baby" issues. So lets not talk about influence......because music is nothing more than entertainment as Tupac's whole career was based to entertain/ and maybe attempt to educate dumb niggas............Also what the hell did Eminem contribute other than his sad ,poor white trash story to many others ( in country music)

Ya'll niggas blowin Tupac up to be Barack Obama it seems. His influence is about as minimal as the next rappers. I understand he was a great artist, but when I see folks admiring him as a Revoltutionary, considering what his 'impact' has done, I can not see him on that level. When everyone speaks of him today, it's as if he was involved with "direct community action"....which some do on a daily basis, without the help of album sales, publicists, major record company promotions and videos. (I love his mother, but she too is included in remaking the myth and blatant repackinging of Pac as "mystic, prophet and revolutionary) Should we hold Pac above these individuals?

And to end off with a random quote
"...."Tupac Shakur was an actor portraying "thug life".
That's what I said from the begining. A actor. A entertainer. Far from a "revolutionary." Maybe a cultural rebel, but not a "revolutionary", not even in the rap game, cause what he was saying echoed the same death and destruction other individuals in the game said earlier."

And a final quote from Tupac himself:
I make records...People think this is my real life...I just make records."




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What is this damn impact ya;ll keep trying to beat people over the head with?
What fucking impact????? Other than what other rap music or any other music does to any human. When it boils down to it all it is is music.........True Tupac talked about some real shit back in the the day and it holds true today.............But so does half the music other artists have made like Gil Scott Heron, Curtis Mayfield (PLEASE LOOK HIM UP 1970's poet/singer) so what positive impact has he made on the black society besides add a more colorful discography of rap and hip hop music? Nothing.

Maybe I can say he educated the young black youth a little. Yet we still have " Brenda's got a Baby" issues. So lets not talk about influence......because music is nothing more than entertainment as Tupac's whole career was based to entertain/ and maybe attempt to educate dumb niggas............Also what the hell did Eminem contribute other than his sad ,poor white trash story to many others ( in country music)

Ya'll niggas blowin Tupac up to be Barack Obama it seems. His influence is about as minimal as the next rappers. I understand he was a great artist, but when I see folks admiring him as a Revoltutionary, considering what his 'impact' has done, I can not see him on that level. When everyone speaks of him today, it's as if he was involved with "direct community action"....which some do on a daily basis, without the help of album sales, publicists, major record company promotions and videos. (I love his mother, but she too is included in remaking the myth and blatant repackinging of Pac as "mystic, prophet and revolutionary) Should we hold Pac above these individuals?

And to end off with a random quote
"...."Tupac Shakur was an actor portraying "thug life".
That's what I said from the begining. A actor. A entertainer. Far from a "revolutionary." Maybe a cultural rebel, but not a "revolutionary", not even in the rap game, cause what he was saying echoed the same death and destruction other individuals in the game said earlier."

And a final quote from Tupac himself:
I make records...People think this is my real life...I just make records."





Or maybe 2pac was trying to show us that even gangstas, that are willing to kill, got morals too. "Even numbers got limits" -Mos Def
As for Eminem, he's a great lyricist. You can read it. His lyrics from his emotions turned into songs of great sympathy. He displayed how the life of a musician can be (good and bad, bad in this case). That's all. As for rappers, there's a LOT of them, unheard, underground, mainstream, whatever. It's hard to make your top 5 if you haven't heard the craziest people. Some people are sicker than others in freestyling or others are sicker in normal song writing. It's always the person's preference. Personally, I know there are better rappers but 2pac tried to change mainstream into something better, not the same old shit. As a mainstream, he got my deepest respects. When it came to freestyling, I might disagree. I'd definitely choose The Saurus, Iron Solomon, Cassidy or even Jin over him. 2pac's more of the chills, kick back, relax type of guy yet he was a gangsta. All these other guys can pose all they want but they know the truth. People thought too much into pac but he was just a normal guy with a hard life. He could be a mix of underrated and overrated (but people that don't know shit for rap can be major dick riders causing such a huge hype).
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...i cant believe people are sayin that pac was JUST an actor, PORTAYING thug life.....
u forget when he squeezed on the police... or the fact that he beat the shit out of some dude minutes before his death....
im sayin these things are gd things or are relevent to being in the top 5 but certain peopl are neglectin the facts
.....kirby makes a gd point also....
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Ya'll niggas blowin Tupac up to be Barack Obama it seems.



i cn actually say obama hasnt influenced anybody i know
black president,yh yh , gd times, but what were u doin when he won the election and when he moved into the white house?
i as listenin to pac writin lyrics.....
and a bag of people i know who were celebratin when he won, the nxt day they were back sellin drugsscreamin tht f the police shit....
but that is a whole different debate
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Ieeeeeeeuw Obama

then for once i rather have 2pac
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Okay. Well how about N.W.A.? They did the same thing. They really didn't live the lifestyle they rapped about either and they are regarded as one of the greatest most likely influencial Rap Groups today? I mean the only person in the group that lived close to the life that they rap about before the group was formed was Easy-E.

What about 50 Cent? He beefed with Ja Rule because of all the stuff he did but turned around and did the same thing he called Ja Rule out for? E-40? No offense to him but I just realised he's from Vallejo and Vallejo's pretty suburban so that's questionable. Then again, he must have been living in Vallejo but spent his most of his free time hanging out in Richmond and or Oakland since Vallejo is boring. Foxy Brown? Salt-N-Pepper? Vanilla Ice? They didn't do all the stuff they said on their record either and you know what? All artists have at least one time told a story and or said something(s), twisting the truth why? To make the song(s) more appealing for the audience. It's not neccessarily standard that all rap artists have "to have lived and know the life you talk about from personal experence(s)." In meanstream anyway. It's how you convey the message.

Like artists before him, 2Pac may have saw this and incorporated this into his persona. I will say this, it is wrong for a person to talk about something they didn't do or haven't lived though without giving credit where credit is due. I believe this is when people get angry because then they ask, what did they do for music...music in that genre? Then you had to look at the time that the artist was present and understand what was surrounding them. For 2Pac it was the East Vs. West Feud? Him and Biggie, The Source Awards, etc. Propoganda, hype and what not. Things like this can help or hinder an artist's career so one can use it to their advantage or screw up professionally and personally.


you totally missing the point... way off in left field.... its not important where anyone is from or how they portray their life.... Tupac was born in Baltimore... most ppl dont kno that... the point is he was such a power figure in the Black community after MLK (especially the underpoverished & the youth) he gave many people inspiration & acted as a role model to many as well. Was he perfect, of course not, he was human, so why does everybody blow up his flaws so large that you overlook the good that he has done.


I think Sergio is the only person feelin where im comin from....

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raja613 wrote:

Ya'll niggas blowin Tupac up to be Barack Obama it seems.



i cn actually say obama hasnt influenced anybody i know
black president,yh yh , gd times, but what were u doin when he won the election and when he moved into the white house?
i as listenin to pac writin lyrics.....
and a bag of people i know who were celebratin when he won, the nxt day they were back sellin drugsscreamin tht f the police shit....
but that is a whole different debate


I will give you the fact that yes, nigga returned to their same old ways after we elected a black president......I knew that was gonna happen......but as you say that is another convo. But my main point is just that he was an entertainer.......that's it! Nothing more......not a philosopher, not a revolutionary, not a political activist.......he was a rapper and his effect on the black community is the same as any other rapper.

By the way.....i'm not trying to disrespect 2Pac (RIP) but I can't stand it when people blow him up into this deity like we sometimes do with rappers its tiresome and sad, seeing that our role models are rappers. I liked Tupac's songs he was indeed a great rapper and entertainer but nothing more.
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raja613 wrote:


sergio wrote:


raja613 wrote:

Ya'll niggas blowin Tupac up to be Barack Obama it seems.



i cn actually say obama hasnt influenced anybody i know
black president,yh yh , gd times, but what were u doin when he won the election and when he moved into the white house?
i as listenin to pac writin lyrics.....
and a bag of people i know who were celebratin when he won, the nxt day they were back sellin drugsscreamin tht f the police shit....
but that is a whole different debate


I will give you the fact that yes, nigga returned to their same old ways after we elected a black president......I knew that was gonna happen......but as you say that is another convo. But my main point is just that he was an entertainer.......that's it! Nothing more......not a philosopher, not a revolutionary, not a political activist.......he was a rapper and his effect on the black community is the same as any other rapper.

By the way.....i'm not trying to disrespect 2Pac (RIP) but I can't stand it when people blow him up into this deity like we sometimes do with rappers its tiresome and sad, seeing that our role models are rappers. I liked Tupac's songs he was indeed a great rapper and entertainer but nothing more.


urrrgh so sad, so wrong, so long,

ok NUMBER 1... how in the hell can you NOT be a social/political activist when you were raised in the Black Panthers as a kid in the 60-70s, his mom & step dad? were Black Panthers....

but honestly.... watch any of these documentaries... Thug Immortal, Thug Angel, or Tupac resurrection...

ok im done now
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raja613 wrote:


sergio wrote:


raja613 wrote:

Ya'll niggas blowin Tupac up to be Barack Obama it seems.



i cn actually say obama hasnt influenced anybody i know
black president,yh yh , gd times, but what were u doin when he won the election and when he moved into the white house?
i as listenin to pac writin lyrics.....
and a bag of people i know who were celebratin when he won, the nxt day they were back sellin drugsscreamin tht f the police shit....
but that is a whole different debate


I will give you the fact that yes, nigga returned to their same old ways after we elected a black president......I knew that was gonna happen......but as you say that is another convo. But my main point is just that he was an entertainer.......that's it! Nothing more......not a philosopher, not a revolutionary, not a political activist.......he was a rapper and his effect on the black community is the same as any other rapper.

By the way.....i'm not trying to disrespect 2Pac (RIP) but I can't stand it when people blow him up into this deity like we sometimes do with rappers its tiresome and sad, seeing that our role models are rappers. I liked Tupac's songs he was indeed a great rapper and entertainer but nothing more.


urrrgh so sad, so wrong, so long,

ok NUMBER 1... how in the hell can you NOT be a social/political activist when you were raised in the Black Panthers as a kid in the 60-70s, his mom & step dad? were Black Panthers....

but honestly.... watch any of these documentaries... Thug Immortal, Thug Angel, or Tupac resurrection...

ok im done now


Great point........not really...........its an awful point can we look at the great example as to why not all minister's/ pastors children aren't ministers or pastors...........just because you were raised one way doesn't mean you are DESTINED to be a certain thing.....you know that, my parents are Muslim yet I chose to explore different religions for me.......what direct political action has that nigga taken? None? What has Tupac done besides sell records??????? Nothing.............I'll concede this fight because hell I can't win against no one whom glorifies Tupac
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