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its evil and wrong. totally un-natural! its killing a human being! how would the poor guy in the tummy feel?? oh n its disgusting! extracting the baby from the body....
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Good link, Azn. And uh, okay I see.

And yes people. There are many different kinds.
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I think that if the mother is going to die from the baby, then she can have an abortion. Because there isn't a point in letting 2 people die. I still think rape victims should not have an abortion. You can't base things on "ifs." the kids can still live a normal life, and if he is depressed then he should be the one who takes his life, not his mom (I am strongly opposed to suicide) the child is innocent. just because it is a product of rape doesn't mean that it deserves to die.

and if human life can be summed up if it should be allowed to live or not based on financial status, then that is putting a price on life. Life is a precious thing, and we should protect it.




The decisions that we make in life are all based on the "ifs". Your examples are covered with "ifs". You cannot make a good decision if you don't weigh out the "ifs". Doing so just insinuate that you are either ignorant, careless, irresponsible or mentally incapable of thinkng critically. With that said, do consider the IFS of life before discrediting those who are pro-choice.

- Who will take care of the baby if a mother can't even support herself? How will that baby survive in this world?

- What if the mother is mentally or physically unfit to raise a child?

There had been rape cases where the victim became pregnant and bore the child and could not even look at it because it reminds her of her rapist and it brings back the shame and the pain that she had to endure. There had been numerous cases where a mother infected with the AIDS virus end up getting pregnant. Non-supportive fathers are also quite the trend especially today and plenty of women get no support.

These are just extreme "if" cases but IF it happens to you, what would you do? Only under such circumstances do I think that abortion should become a choice available to a woman.

Aborting a baby is a very hard and life-changing decision to make. It might even be one of the hardest decisions ever because the woman will suffer either way. Would you rather live life knowing that you murdered a life and be ostracized until you die? Or can you bring a life into this world knowing you will face life-changing obstacles and the child may suffer undeniably if under certain circumstances?

I think abortion is generally bad and shouldn't be done but I still believe that the woman should be given a choice only if under extreme circumstances.

In the end we can all try to impose our own personal opinions about what is right or wrong but you will not be as rash to say anything if you became pregnant by accident.
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flippizzle wrote:


digs wrote:

I think that if the mother is going to die from the baby, then she can have an abortion. Because there isn't a point in letting 2 people die. I still think rape victims should not have an abortion. You can't base things on "ifs." the kids can still live a normal life, and if he is depressed then he should be the one who takes his life, not his mom (I am strongly opposed to suicide) the child is innocent. just because it is a product of rape doesn't mean that it deserves to die.

and if human life can be summed up if it should be allowed to live or not based on financial status, then that is putting a price on life. Life is a precious thing, and we should protect it.




The decisions that we make in life are all based on the "ifs". Your examples are covered with "ifs". You cannot make a good decision if you don't weigh out the "ifs". Doing so just insinuate that you are either ignorant, careless, irresponsible or mentally incapable of thinkng critically. With that said, do consider the IFS of life before discrediting those who are pro-choice.

- Who will take care of the baby if a mother can't even support herself? How will that baby survive in this world?

- What if the mother is mentally or physically unfit to raise a child?

There had been rape cases where the victim became pregnant and bore the child and could not even look at it because it reminds her of her rapist and it brings back the shame and the pain that she had to endure. There had been numerous cases where a mother infected with the AIDS virus end up getting pregnant. Non-supportive fathers are also quite the trend especially today and plenty of women get no support.

These are just extreme "if" cases but IF it happens to you, what would you do? Only under such circumstances do I think that abortion should become a choice available to a woman.

Aborting a baby is a very hard and life-changing decision to make. It might even be one of the hardest decisions ever because the woman will suffer either way. Would you rather live life knowing that you murdered a life and be ostracized until you die? Or can you bring a life into this world knowing you will face life-changing obstacles and the child may suffer undeniably if under certain circumstances?

I think abortion is generally bad and shouldn't be done but I still believe that the woman should be given a choice only if under extreme circumstances.

In the end we can all try to impose our own personal opinions about what is right or wrong but you will not be as rash to say anything if you became pregnant by accident.



Well your insulting him in your first paragraph of commentary only shows your own utter lack of tact. A lack of tact is often a sign immaturity, ignorance, carelessness, and a countless myriad of other undesirable attributes and characteristics. If nothing else it severely exacerbates you own argument.

You act like these IFS are the only reason for abortion. However, in all actuality rape victims are a very-very small minority of women who terminate the lives of their children; moreover, the larger portion of women who have abortion do so not on silly little ifs but rather on things they know. They know they cannot sustain a job and deal with a child. They know they’re not willing to go through with a pregnancy. They know that this child will tie them with somebody who they don’t want to be tied to.

Now, I’m sure I’d look at this from a different disposition if I were in their skin, or rather their child was in me. However, these rape victim minorities are just that. A minority. In America we address the majority and not the minority. It may be called fascism, however, this is the necessity of any democratic government.

More than this you talk about not forcing your beliefs on other people. I completely agree, except for one thing. Abortion activism is in fact, in most cases, the pushing of your views and opinions on what life is and is not on unborn children. Very few women who have abortion think of it as murder. By their definition the child is not a child. (Which is of course silly) To simplify this I’ll have to bluntly repeat myself. We each have a right to our opinions. However, we’re not allowed to take things into our own hand. Let me explain; I could decide that somebody is not a Human unless they have male reproductive organs. Then if they become a severe inconvenience to me (lets say for my career or schooling, because that’s one of the main reasons given by women for abortion) I can kill them because they are not Human?

Now you may counter with the “He/she is not yet fully developed into a Human.” But then how far, to repeat myself once more, (forgive my redundancy) can you go with that? Would you say that toddlers are not Human because they have not fully developed? Just as easily as one can argue that a fetus is not a Human because it is not fully developed another can counter that children are not Human either because they have not fully developed themselves.

You also assume that for these women that abortion is a very hard and life changing thing. But in all honesty abortion is strongly used as an ultimate birth control.

Now what you said about AIDS is very true. However, do you honestly mean to suggest that living with AIDS is actually so horrible that people with AIDS deserve to die?

Another thing: Everyone keeps talking about how horrible it would be for the child if his father was not there and his mother was unfit to take care of him. However, this being said, he would certainly have a life with some value. To try and cover up the selfishness and cowardice of abortion with generosity towards the murder victim is absurd to a new degree. Besides, you CAN put the child up for adoption.

AND if I have to hear that: “That’s a horrible life” crap one more time! It is not! Maybe if you’re a teenager whose put up for adoption you’ll end up in foster homes, but there’s a massive nation out there waiting to adopt infants and give them a happy home. For most children this is panglosian, but not for an infant. This I know from experience. How many people do you know actually put up for adoption as children?

And don’t go and argue “They’ll feel like a piece of them is missing” or “May not live a fulfilled life” because if you murder them before they are born they –won’t- live a fulfilled life no matter what; moreover, they’ll be missing entirely.

I think abortion should only be legal if clinically recommended, and only in situations of rape and incest. Because the woman’s life is tried and true and the infants is still a gamble I would value her over the chance of another. However, just opening it to the general public is ridiculous!


Of course this is all my opinion, but please do not childishly insult people in this thread. I started it for a mature debate and discussion amongst intellectuals who will take it seriously. If you're not going to use the thread for that which it was meant then your posts are no different than spam.
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Sorry I wasn't trying to insult their intelligence, nor was I trying to impose my opinions on him, I'm just stating my stance in this arguement. Arguements aren't always meant to be belligerent and I'm sorry if I lack tact and if you find me ignorant, immature, etc. I may have phrased it wrong and I have no excuses for my lack of sensitivity to other people's opinions. I also apologize for not being intellectual enough to partake in your discussion and feel free to delete or report my opinions and stance to the mod for my "spam".

I stated my opinions without the intent of imposing my beliefs down people's throats. Just trying to add some insight to what other people may believe in. I was opting for open-mindedness but apparently to you, your opinion is all that counts whereas mine is spam due to my lack of tact.

Anyway, I apologize again for taking a stance at abortion and for even stating an opinion at all. I've been told off by a 16 year old and I am thoroughly ashamed of my lack of whatever this 16 yr old ninja from Konoha has.

I won't even get started on fascism and democracy and what not or else I might get banned for sharing any thoughts

Peace be with you
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False apologies don’t mean anything. In any case I said that your posts were spam if you were trying to insult people and start up a childish argument. I stand by this declaration. I never said I find you immature I said that lacking tact can be a sign of immaturity as well as those other things…

But, whatever the case, you’re 100% free to your opinion. Yet, if you’re going to act all mature then why were you bickering with another 16 year old and putting his intelligence up to question?

Anyway, I don’t mean to fight or insult you. That’s not my game. However, when I see somebody who’s age says twenty posting insulting comments to adolescence, and one who’s been nothing but polite (though respectfully adamant at the same time) I feel obliged to jump on in. Especially when its my thread and threatens to turn what has been an riveting debate to a post-war.

So, and this is sincere, I apologies for my rashness. I s’pose I am just a 16 year old, and honestly I know that thusly my opinions lack the same meaning that the opinions of my elders hold. However, I’ve thoroughly researched the topic so please don’t try and question my knowledge on it here.

I suppose I jumped down your throat over something stupid, and thusly I’m at fault. I take 100% responsibility for it, but I do have the one request that you try and make sure that you’re posts may not be interpreted as a direct and personal insult. I understand that this is hypocritical coming from me, but I’ll try to hold myself to the same standard.

Anyway, I’m still proud to be a nerd. While I am 16 I hope to stay a wonderful Ninja from the village of Konoha. :ph34r:
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My thoughts on abortion. *deep breath counting to ten* Look, who cares about abortion honestly? And if you/they/he/she/it whatever does care, then why? Abortion doesn't have any affect on anyone anywhere EXCEPT for the ones having it. If its your potential sibling or close cousin or something being aborted then you should have your small saying. But in most cases no one could possibly be affected by someone elses abortion. No one is gonna contemplate more about the abortion than the person having one. Unless they are just some uncaring little slutbag that gets pregnant and then drops it as soon as she finds out just so she can go have more sex. Abortion may or may not be murder but its for the parent(s) of the baby to decide, no one else. Because even if abortion is outlawed, if someone wants an abortion bad enough, then "oops, fell down the stairs". Abortion shouldn't be outlawed because at least people will be getting safe abortions and not punching themselves in the stomach or something.
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Even though I'm Catholic and don't really believe in abortion, I think that if a person actually does decide to get one done, I'm okay with that. Since I am no one to be judging them, the ultimate judgement comes later on. And I almost certain whatever their actions are, later on they will have to face the consequences for it.
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I dont like it because it his not right. If you not want a kid don't hav sex
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i think abortion is wrong.
BUT thinking of the situations that women face..
i don't know how to answer this exactly..
it's not like every women has babies by 'accident.'
some of it comes from rapists too..
i wouldn't abort my baby when it comes to..
but i wouldn't know til the time comes..
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N.O. If you don't want a baby, don't have sex. If you get raped, then put it up for adoption.
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noodle, you watch too much Kevin Smith. Me too.


Who is Kevin Smith?
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I just re-read the first post and the question is:

"but do you think abortion is murder? Personally I do. What are your thoughts and opinions on the subject?"

So, no its not murder I don't think so. The US supreme court ruled 34 years ago it isnt murder. So those are my thoughts and oppinions. You can say its murder all you want but fact of the matter is its not murder or you'd go to jail for murder.
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Because even if abortion is outlawed, if someone wants an abortion bad enough, then "oops, fell down the stairs"


That's like saying "We shouldn't make laws because people are going to break them anyway." Or "We shouldn't make purchasing nukes illegal, because if somebody wants it bad enough then 'this shipment happened to come to me' That's where the police and all that jazz come in.

Also, of course we should care about abortion! From my point of view its murder. (Though I'm not saying it is, but I believe it is) so are you telling me that if I see a woman being murdered I should not bother because it's not going to effect me? I care about things that don't effect me, and people who don't are just selfish and ignorant in my opinion. I care about the war in Iraque, but it hasn't changed anything in my life. Nothing worth mention anyway.


But that's all for the sake of debate. You're welcome to your opinion.
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SeraphAlford wrote:
That's like saying "We shouldn't make laws because people are going to break them anyway." Or "We shouldn't make purchasing nukes illegal, because if somebody wants it bad enough then 'this shipment happened to come to me' That's where the police and all that jazz come in.


How about: "it's futile to implement a law that has no guaranteed method of enforcement."

The fact is, abortion is currently legal in the U.S. I don't see it becoming illegal anytime soon, because there's just too many advocates. And even if it was illegal, yes, it would absolutely be violated. It could even be executed as subtly as to drink something poisonous to a developing fetus, and later claiming it as a miscarriage or stillbirth.

The only limitation is the deadline for being elligible for clinical abortions. Ergo, it's futile to argue whether women should be given the choice for abortion or not, because, well, they have it regardless of what we have to say about it. So, are we arguing that the choice they do have, should be taken away?

Right or wrong is also futile to argue. You'd have to bring up a pretty amazing argument to sway an idealogical standpoint of individuals who have had different values through life and upbringing. To go back to simplistic voice of opinions, I suppose it'd be for me as follows:
"I'm Catholic. Abortion is condemned by Catholicism. I have been raised to believe likewise."
What could you possibly say to change my mind? Probably nothing. Hence, futile.

Of course, people who decide for abortions live forever with their integrity and values under scrutiny. As long as we have an opinion, it's going to keep happening. But the U.S. government allows abortion, so :shrug: what's there to do about it. We're just going around in a circle-jerk of opinions and debates that have occurred for years and years already.
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