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flippizzle wrote:

Sorry I wasn't trying to insult their intelligence, nor was I trying to impose my opinions on him, I'm just stating my stance in this arguement. Arguements aren't always meant to be belligerent and I'm sorry if I lack tact and if you find me ignorant, immature, etc. I may have phrased it wrong and I have no excuses for my lack of sensitivity to other people's opinions. I also apologize for not being intellectual enough to partake in your discussion and feel free to delete or report my opinions and stance to the mod for my "spam".

I stated my opinions without the intent of imposing my beliefs down people's throats. Just trying to add some insight to what other people may believe in. I was opting for open-mindedness but apparently to you, your opinion is all that counts whereas mine is spam due to my lack of tact.

Anyway, I apologize again for taking a stance at abortion and for even stating an opinion at all. I've been told off by a 16 year old and I am thoroughly ashamed of my lack of whatever this 16 yr old ninja from Konoha has.

I won't even get started on fascism and democracy and what not or else I might get banned for sharing any thoughts

Peace be with you


lol the kid said this was a false apology... well... duh hahahahah anywayz.......
flipizzle you got a good point forums are made so people can see others "views" on the subject they are discussing.....
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I just realized that there are fertility clinics helping couples have children while there are plenty of children/babies waiting to be adopted. That its me as being selfish as there is no need to abort children, but that available people will still fail to hep their fellow man. T_T

An episode of 'CSI: Las Vegas' brought up an interesting theological point. Some scripture phrases "the spirit being in the blood" which can be interpreted as a fetus being medically alive 18 days after conception, when it is transfused with blood.
Hmm...18 is also the Hebrew number for life. o_o Bible spooks me again.

Your avatar also seems like a vagina or a tatoo above a vagina. lol Try the one in my profilepics seraphAlford.

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Interesting. All you pro-life ppl can i ask if u belong to any particular religion ? cause other than raw dogma i cant see too much justification for some of the strong ati-abortion views here.

to sugest that tiny bundle of cells a couple of minutes after conception really exhibits all the characteristics of a full blown human life seem pritty ignorant to me.
(attaching to the wall of the uterus proves what ? magnets attach to the side of my fridge id hardly say they were interacting and responding with the environment though.)
If ure argument however is that it contains the potential for a wonderful life id have to disagree, for a start it is beyond you to predict what type of life a tiny bundle of human cells will amount to potential alone is not enough every sperm in my sack has the potential to be a unique and virtuous human being, i dont fell ive commited genocide though every time i throw away a johnny.
Fact is a newly conceived zygote is little more complex then the millions of tiny creatures we crush under foot. when we understand that a man as we know them is made of his actions and experiences in life not the blob of organic matter he was bought into the world with then it being human dna is less important. The nature of time and space itself makes it impossible to say if any given event will turn out for better or for worse in the long run

Truly its just a matter of how intellectually developed must a creature be before there can be no justification in ending its life and if for you that is the level of a newly conceived zygote then id be very careful where u place ure feet when u get up.

If u hadn't guessed i'm somewhat pro-choice and believe bring a child into a uncaring world is a far greater sin(for lack of a better word) that destroying a clump of cells that hasn't began to make any sort of logical thought yet or display any emotion. Until we have the technology to percieve a fetus thinking "hmm this womb sure is comfy but red just aint my color" then ill stand by that.
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Abortion is selfish. The babies didn't do anything and they have no right to take the life.
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I am extremely neutral about it because it has so many pros and cons that are jut so important. But I guess it all depends on what situation the mother is in.
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I hope I'm not being redundant. I have skimmed past comments and it seems to be 17 pages of the same stuff. I find some of the comments funny (not funny ha ha). A majority of them are by people who do not have the ability to have a child themselves or know what it is like to have to experience a pregnancy scare.
I feel that this is a womans issue and men can give their opinion (the men in this forum might make great fathers one day) but, overall they will never know what it is like to say "oh no I'm pregnant". No matter how careful you are (ALWAYS USE A CONDOM) nothing is 100% guaranteed to keep your from becoming pregnant.
My grandmother took in foster children for a majority of my life so, I know for a fact that in America the adoption agencies are over crowded.Most kids especially black and hispanic, will never be adopted and find that good home they tell so many teen mothers about. They will end up on the streets at 18, a lot end up making the mistakes of the parents they never knew.
There are girls out with no self esteem or are very poor that seek men for comfort, security,etc. They don't think I may get pregnant they are just living from day to day. Their baby may never have a father she may not know who he is. Adoption is not an option pregnant woman can't hustle as well as non pregnant ones. Their are married women especially Catholics, who after they have a few kids can not handle even THINKING about having another one. Pregnancy takes a HUGE toll on a womans body and their not cheap. It costs over $10,000 to have a baby. $10,000 and the child is not here yet. To think you are pregnant especially is you have done everything in your power not to be is a horrible feeling that if you never had I wouldn't wish on anyone.
I know I was preachy and I may not even make sense but, some people in this forum sound very young and naive and sound more like a pamphlet. Yet seem to get very angry when someone shares a different opinion. I'm Pro - Choice (obviously) and I'm iffy on Late Term Abortions, but to each their own no
one has the right to tell a woman what she can and can not do to her body. It isn't as simple as murder/not murder. "If These Walls Could Talk" great movie on the subject. It can enlighttn some on what it was like when abortion was illegal.
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Sorry I'm so long winded. I 'm just very passionate about this subject for personal reasons.
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rain1800 wrote:

Abortion is selfish. The babies didn't do anything and they have no right to take the life.


ABSOLUTELY the baby is a living creature but it can't decide for itself yet so the mother has no right to dispose of it.
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I'm personally conflicted with this issue, and some of my thought are quite contraditory.

I personally would not want to deny a womans right to choice, but if ever i did get a woman pregnant never personally opt for an abortion, no matter what the circumstances are.. I do believe in places like america and some other western countries Abortion has just become so easy to get that it become just like a normal procedure to some women. While i'm not applying this to all women i've seen statistics in the US of women having 2 to 3 abortions by the time she is 25. I think some women. If you have had 2 abortions at that age you have to seriously look at yourself, cause you are not doing something right

I also think abortion rights has lessened personal responsibility for your body and actions. It's become a quick fix for peoples problems. It should not be a trivial thing where you just sign up for an apoinment and the next day its done. Woman who are getting this procedure have to seriously think about what they are doing, and realize the gravity of it, and not just discount it as just cell in your body.


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Posted 5/11/07

kainami41 wrote:


rain1800 wrote:

Abortion is selfish. The babies didn't do anything and they have no right to take the life.


ABSOLUTELY the baby is a living creature but it can't decide for itself yet so the mother has no right to dispose of it.


Its not a baby its a zygoat. Then it becomes an embryo. Followed lastly by a fetus. You cannot abort an baby because untill it is born it is nothing more then a fetus. So your argument is wrong to me.
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if you don't want a damn baby don't have sex....
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Genjo_Sanzo wrote:

if you don't want a damn baby don't have sex....


Truer words have never been spoken.
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^I'm against abortion, but pro choice, I thought I would state that first.

Don't use that arguement. There are plenty of rape victims, mothers who's lives could be in danger, or defective feti (did not develop brain or spine)

I understand why you are against it, but do not use this arguement and not expect flames.
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Then if you end up having a child as a result of rape or anything else then atleast let a family adopt them, that's what my mom did to my would be little sister....family couldn't have kids but wanted one....er...wait....that isn't the topic...but whatever
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I agree, I have a big post on adoption earlier in the thread. I'm simply saying you have to back up your arguement more than 'just don't do it' because that is not the case for everyone.
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