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Posted 6/14/07
then what species is an embryo?
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I'm against abortion.

But, like other members of CR have said; "It's the womans choice".

If a woman is pregnant and not mentally prepared to give birth, then she can have an abortion.

If she wants to give birth, but not take care of the baby, she can always put the baby up for adoption.

To stay on topic: Is abortion murder? Honestly, I'm not sure.
One of the definitions of murder is to kill (another human) unlawfully.
I guess it can be considered murder. You ARE killing another human.
:unsure: That is debatable.
I'm sure other members of CR might give their thoughts on the topic.

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Hey as soon as an embryo and the other wriggly thing become a zygote the chances of that zygote making it to true pregnancey is like 25% percent. So is that murder. No it's nature and to say that as soon as conception happens there is life would be to say that most women who've had sex are all unaware killers. Just giving the issue fair play.
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I don't see the real problem here. If you feed the the aborted babies to straving children in third world countries , you could cure world hunger and have less teenagers struggling with babies before they're ready!
Posted 6/14/07
I feel it's murder, and on top of that having an abortion can be very dangerous for the mother, both mentally and physically.

Life starts at the moment of conception, and even if some were to disagree, take this for an example. If you knew someone in a vegetated state were to come through in nine months, would taking that person off of life support be alright? Of course not. We know for sure, unless a miscarriage happens, that there will be a baby born in nine months.

However, I don't feel abortion should be illegal. If it were, there would be a number of unsafe, illegal abortions that would happen. I just wish people would realize how wrong abortion is.

Also, I feel that if the father is able to take care of the baby on his own, a woman shouldn't be able to get an abortion unless she is at risk of dying, because that's overally unfair to the father for the woman to abort his baby when she doesn't want it.
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truth of the matter is, if you dont want a kid use protection or take the pill. not so hard to understand really seeing as many of the children that cant be taken care of were due to people refusing to do that. i know a young couple that the girl forgot to take the pill theyve got a son now, theyre struggleing to take care of the little guy but at least theyre trying. besides if you cant take care of the kid just put them up for adoption, now it may sound cruel but at least that way they get to live and hopefully dont end up with a crazy family.
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: / what if the condom breaks or the pill dont work. U know that REALLY does happen. i mean people should have a right to have a choice. Pro choice people arnt saying u got a baby have an abortion. IT IS ABOUT HAVING A CHOICE.
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Well everyone's debating about abortion using pathos and ethos. Why don't we use logos and facts to answer this question?

First, we have to determine if the embryo is actually a person.

Within the first 4 weeks of fertilization, the egg divides and forms into a morula and then forms the hollow ball called the blastula. Then stratification by cell type begins to create the ectotherm, endotherm, etc.

So by this time, it isn't capable of individual thinking so abortion at this point in my view is perfectly viable.

In the next phase between week 5-6, organogenesis and neuralation begins. This means the development of the nervous system and other important organs like the heart. Now here's the tricky part. There are brain waves going on in the embryo, but it hasn't taken up a stable shape. So is it able to think on its own or are these impulses just precursors to actual "intelligent" cognitive ability?

By week 8, blood starts to flow and the embryo will move, but it lacks fingers, and other distinct appendages. Now this is the gray area for me. At this point, does the embryo count as an individual human being? I don't think so since it hasn't taken up the form of a human yet. It still has an enlarged head, a partial tail, and possibly gill slits.

As it passes week 8, then it becomes the fetus with defined fingers and toes. Brain stem activity starts here and it will begin to develop some sort of reaction to external stimuli. Now this isn't necessarily like grabbing and touching. Rather it is just simple avoidance behavior or just bending of appendages.

Past week 8, the fetus begins to develop obvious cognitive ability and the hardening of the skeletal system.

Now personally, I think abortion is alright up to week 5-6 where it is still in the embryonic phase. That gives the woman over a month to find out she's pregnant and to make a decision. If she waits any longer, she shouldn't be given the option because she has already had so much to deliberate over the issue so it's not just to save the child, but also as a life lesson to her.
Posted 6/14/07
*tear* to abortion.
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i agree w/t jamehze, the earlier the abortion occurs the better chance the developing embryo doesn't develop a "personality"
Posted 6/14/07
jamehze makes some good points. I think that it's the mother's choice, though not an easy and thoughtless choice. Yes, the embryo/fetus does have the potential to become a human being, and it does not fall into my description of what is human, though this description does depend on each individual. If you want to get technical, each cell in a human body has the potential to become a human, with cloning, abeit a short-lived and genetic disease ridden human.
Posted 6/14/07

JoSh242 wrote:

: / what if the condom breaks or the pill dont work. U know that REALLY does happen. i mean people should have a right to have a choice. Pro choice people arnt saying u got a baby have an abortion. IT IS ABOUT HAVING A CHOICE.


Then maybe you shouldn't be having sex when you can't handle the accidental conciquences.

It's not the baby's fault the mother doesn't want it. Where's the baby's choice in this decision? Atleast have the baby, then give it up for adoption. The baby atleast deserves it's life.
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Posted 6/14/07
But what if the woman was raped, then the rapist had unknowingly fertilized her egg? The woman wouldn't want a child to remind her of the rapist and her terrible experience.
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Posted 6/14/07
screw for people who do abortion,they kill a baby
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Posted 6/14/07
this thread makes me realize how far the world has to go. you know, one keeps thinking that we're moving forward, becoming more enlightened... but the truth of the matter is we're not. we're stuck in a rut, and will continue to be so based on what i see here (and any other thread religious zealots involve themselves).

man i can't wait till i can move away from the US...
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