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I think it's very wrong. Something like that is not suppose to happen and now society knows there is an option for that that makes some people (maybe) too lax about the case since there is some kind of ''solving solution''. I don't buy that. Still this is a complicated debate.
Making life and remove it right after is wrong in all ways. That being said. Giving birth to a child without planning it or knowning it. That puts either the parents or the child in lots of pain. Maybe both but it's mostly the childrens that suffers first and the most. That's too irresponsible of the parents. So the option of abort prevents all that but in every morale it's wrong. Abortion also got a negative effect because some people might think that can be used if there is been a mistake. The mother of the child might be carrying heavy quilt later on too. Like I said. Complicated debate.
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well, since i am a catholic.. abortion is a big no no... and i also think that
abortion is murder...

however, sometimes i think abortion is about "why people resort to it"..
the "right values" are rarely manifested by the youth today... let's face reality, the youth today does not see sex as sacred and/or a way of "procreation".. they see sex as somewhat like a recreation where you do it because you just like to do it... that's why there are a lot of unwanted pregnancies.. the word here is unwanted.. and so i guess it's better to abort the baby than be born and not feel the love that he/she is suppose to feel..

it's really hard to have a life when in the first place your parents were forced to take care of you.. i mean of all the people in this world, your parents should be the first one to love you.. it really sucks living a life where you dont get any love...


The Mosaic Law clearly revealed that life begins, not at birth, but much earlier. How so? It showed that killing a fetus could incur the death penalty. Note this law: “You must give soul for soul.”* (Ex. 21:22, 23) Thus, the unborn child in the womb is alive and is a living soul. Understanding that timeless truth has helped millions of Christians to repudiate the practice of abortion, seeing it as a serious sin against God.
Granted, the unborn child is alive, but what value does Jehovah place on that life? The law cited above demanded that an adult be put to death for causing the death of an unborn child. Clearly, then, the life of an unborn child has great value in God’s eyes. Further, numerous passages in the Scriptures reveal that Jehovah sees the unborn as distinct individuals. For example, King David was inspired to say of Jehovah: “You kept me screened off in the belly of my mother. . . . Your eyes saw even the embryo of me, and in your book all its parts were down in writing, as regards the days when they were formed.”—Ps. 139:13-16; Job 31:14, 15.
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Striferu wrote:

I think it's very wrong. Something like that is not suppose to happen and now society knows there is an option for that that makes some people (maybe) too lax about the case since there is some kind of ''solving solution''. I don't buy that. Still this is a complicated debate.
Making life and remove it right after is wrong in all ways. That being said. Giving birth to a child without planning it or knowning it. That puts either the parents or the child in lots of pain. Maybe both but it's mostly the childrens that suffers first and the most. That's too irresponsible of the parents. So the option of abort prevents all that but in every morale it's wrong. Abortion also got a negative effect because some people might think that can be used if there is been a mistake. The mother of the child might be carrying heavy quilt later on too. Like I said. Complicated debate.


Ah, don't you mean " The mother of the child might be carrying heavy guilt later on?
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Striferu wrote:

I think it's very wrong. Something like that is not suppose to happen and now society knows there is an option for that that makes some people (maybe) too lax about the case since there is some kind of ''solving solution''. I don't buy that. Still this is a complicated debate.
Making life and remove it right after is wrong in all ways. That being said. Giving birth to a child without planning it or knowning it. That puts either the parents or the child in lots of pain. Maybe both but it's mostly the childrens that suffers first and the most. That's too irresponsible of the parents. So the option of abort prevents all that but in every morale it's wrong. Abortion also got a negative effect because some people might think that can be used if there is been a mistake. The mother of the child might be carrying heavy quilt later on too. Like I said. Complicated debate.


Ah, don't you mean " The mother of the child might be carrying heavy guilt later on?


Yeah. That *too* was too colourful. Useless extra words indeed.
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AcadGladeThe unborn child in the womb is alive and is a living soul.

After a certain point, yes. The idea that a child is alive right after conception however is not true.
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Striferu wrote:
Making life and remove it right after is wrong in all ways.

Not necessarily. Depends on the circumstances.

Striferu
That being said. Giving birth to a child without planning it or knowning it. That puts either the parents or the child in lots of pain. Maybe both but it's mostly the childrens that suffers first and the most. That's too irresponsible of the parents.


Like in circumstances like this.
Really, it's not that hard. If the parents are unable to take care of it or don't love it, then it might just be better that it never exist. For all parties. Both the child and the parents.

As a very easy example: take the africans, living in poverty, barely scraping by in regards to both food and water.
Would a baby born in those conditions have a good life? Probably not. Most likely, the child would starve out its entire life until it eventually died. Either of starvation or disease.
Really, in such situations, it's far more humane to prevent the child from ever experiencing it.







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If you are taking the chance then you should be prepared for what may come. I am not for getting an abortion if she got pregnant from a night of consentual fun. If her life is in danger or she was a victim of rape then I agree that she should have a choice. I believe it is her choice, so sorry guys but I don't think you have the right to pressure her into or out of it.


I'm sorry but this is just horrendously ignorant and completely lacking in empathetic understanding.
Sex is, unlike what catholicism claims, NOT just for giving birth to children. It IS a form of consensual fun, either practiced by strangers or loving partners together. It is a perfectly normal thing.

And moreover, it is not a thing that one should be given a 16+ year punishment for if one is to make a false move.
People should not have their lives ruined just because of a dumb mistake they did. Or hey, something that could've even been a mere accident, despite taking precautions.

And of course, not everyone is fit to be parents either. Many people start having sex in their teenage years. Many as young as 16 or even younger. Those people are not ready to be parents.
That however should not be a reason for them not to be able to have sex. And what about people who will never feel ready to be parents?
Are you saying those people should never have sex?
That's nuts.
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Syndicaidramon wrote:


Striferu wrote:
Making life and remove it right after is wrong in all ways.

Not necessarily. Depends on the circumstances.

Striferu
That being said. Giving birth to a child without planning it or knowning it. That puts either the parents or the child in lots of pain. Maybe both but it's mostly the childrens that suffers first and the most. That's too irresponsible of the parents.


Like in circumstances like this.
Really, it's not that hard. If the parents are unable to take care of it or don't love it, then it might just be better that it never exist. For all parties. Both the child and the parents.

As a very easy example: take the africans, living in poverty, barely scraping by in regards to both food and water.
Would a baby born in those conditions have a good life? Probably not. Most likely, the child would starve out its entire life until it eventually died. Either of starvation or disease.
Really, in such situations, it's far more humane to prevent the child from ever experiencing it.



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Gettnlag wrote:

If you are taking the chance then you should be prepared for what may come. I am not for getting an abortion if she got pregnant from a night of consentual fun. If her life is in danger or she was a victim of rape then I agree that she should have a choice. I believe it is her choice, so sorry guys but I don't think you have the right to pressure her into or out of it.


I'm sorry but this is just horrendously ignorant and completely lacking in empathetic understanding.
Sex is, unlike what catholicism claims, NOT just for giving birth to children. It IS a form of consensual fun, either practiced by strangers or loving partners together. It is a perfectly normal thing.

And moreover, it is not a thing that one should be given a 16+ year punishment for if one is to make a false move.
People should not have their lives ruined just because of a dumb mistake they did. Or hey, something that could've even been a mere accident, despite taking precautions.

And of course, not everyone is fit to be parents either. Many people start having sex in their teenage years. Many as young as 16 or even younger. Those people are not ready to be parents.
That however should not be a reason for them not to be able to have sex. And what about people who will never feel ready to be parents?
Are you saying those people should never have sex?
That's nuts.


Sex Between Married couples can have sex all they want to, Just be prepared for the consequences.
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AcadGlade
Sex Between Married couples can have sex all they want to, Just be prepared for the consequences.


So what if the condom tears? Or if some other thing happens that causes the woman to get pregnant even though they took precautions to prevent it from happening?
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I personally don't think I should have a say on what women do with their bodies, I don't think it's right, but then again there are some times when it's not wrong, like rape or incest conceived babies.
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Syndicaidramon wrote:


AcadGlade
Sex Between Married couples can have sex all they want to, Just be prepared for the consequences.


So what if the condom tears? Or if some other thing happens that causes the woman to get pregnant even though they took precautions to prevent it from happening?


Well, among Jehovah's Witnesses, they would bring the fetus to full term and give birth, and most likely they both would raise the child with love, even if it was an accident.
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AcadGlade wrote:


Syndicaidramon wrote:


AcadGlade
Sex Between Married couples can have sex all they want to, Just be prepared for the consequences.


So what if the condom tears? Or if some other thing happens that causes the woman to get pregnant even though they took precautions to prevent it from happening?


Well, among Jehovah's Witnesses, they would bring the fetus to full term and give birth, and most likely they both would raise the child with love, even if it was an accident.


I know. But what if they weren't ready for a baby? What if they couldn't raise a baby? Maybe because they were poor or sick or had physical limitations.

And while we're at it, what about rape?
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I can't speak for my brothers or sisters, But I would think they would pray to Jehovah for guidance and seek the advise of one of the congregation overseer, and likely he would sit down with them and look for answers in the Bible first, then would base their decision(s) on what they read and meditated on it.

However no witness couple would ever consider abortion as an alternative, Irregardless of their financial status or health issues, Even if the spouse was raped.

I have a suggestion, the next time a witness couple comes by your home, Ask Them the same questions. you may be suprised.
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AcadGlade wrote:

I can't speak for my brothers or sisters, But I would think they would pray to Jehovah for guidance and seek the advise of one of the congregation overseer, and likely he would sit down with them and look for answers in the Bible first, then would base their decision(s) on what they read and meditated on it.

However no witness couple would ever consider abortion as an alternative, Irregardless of their financial status or health issues, Even if the spouse was raped.

I have a suggestion, the next time a witness couple comes by your home, Ask Them the same questions. you may be suprised.


I know this stuff. I grew up as a Jehova's Witness. I just wanted to hear your opinion on the matter.
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Syndicaidramon wrote:


AcadGlade wrote:

I can't speak for my brothers or sisters, But I would think they would pray to Jehovah for guidance and seek the advise of one of the congregation overseer, and likely he would sit down with them and look for answers in the Bible first, then would base their decision(s) on what they read and meditated on it.

However no witness couple would ever consider abortion as an alternative, Irregardless of their financial status or health issues, Even if the spouse was raped.

I have a suggestion, the next time a witness couple comes by your home, Ask Them the same questions. you may be suprised.


I know this stuff. I grew up as a Jehova's Witness. I just wanted to hear your opinion on the matter.


Hahaha! Ive been through this before!
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CLarose wrote:


Syndicaidramon wrote:


AcadGlade wrote:

I can't speak for my brothers or sisters, But I would think they would pray to Jehovah for guidance and seek the advise of one of the congregation overseer, and likely he would sit down with them and look for answers in the Bible first, then would base their decision(s) on what they read and meditated on it.

However no witness couple would ever consider abortion as an alternative, Irregardless of their financial status or health issues, Even if the spouse was raped.

I have a suggestion, the next time a witness couple comes by your home, Ask Them the same questions. you may be suprised.


I know this stuff. I grew up as a Jehova's Witness. I just wanted to hear your opinion on the matter.


Hahaha! Ive been through this before!


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