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Abortion should be legal.
It's time to stop trying to control women's bodies.
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I would say allow it, of course have the time-limit ( can't remember how long it was).

lets say that a couple are expecting a child and they have no means to provide for it then I think it's better to abort it ( the argument that life begins at conception is arguable and I don't think it starts there) and while on the subject of abortion i also feel that using the aborted fetuses(probably spelled wrong ) should be legal to use for stem-cell research, as i feel that it can greatly improve on the quality of live for someone :D

But that's just my two cents
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ikano1 wrote:

I would say allow it, of course have the time-limit ( can't remember how long it was).

lets say that a couple are expecting a child and they have no means to provide for it then I think it's better to abort it ( the argument that life begins at conception is arguable and I don't think it starts there) and while on the subject of abortion i also feel that using the aborted fetuses(probably spelled wrong ) should be legal to use for stem-cell research, as i feel that it can greatly improve on the quality of live for someone :D

But that's just my two cents :D


Yeah, I don't think last-trimester abortions should be allowed, either. Like....you had 6 months to notice you are pregnant and that entire time to do something about it. How do you NOT notice? At that point, the baby has a fighting chance at surviving if it's born and is no longer completely dependent on your body for survival. Aborting it at that point would mean denying it that chance.
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Morbidhanson wrote:


ikano1 wrote:

I would say allow it, of course have the time-limit ( can't remember how long it was).

lets say that a couple are expecting a child and they have no means to provide for it then I think it's better to abort it ( the argument that life begins at conception is arguable and I don't think it starts there) and while on the subject of abortion i also feel that using the aborted fetuses(probably spelled wrong ) should be legal to use for stem-cell research, as i feel that it can greatly improve on the quality of live for someone :D

But that's just my two cents :D


Yeah, I don't think last-trimester abortions should be allowed, either. Like....you had 6 months to notice you are pregnant and that entire time to do something about it. How do you NOT notice? At that point, the baby has a fighting chance at surviving if it's born and is no longer completely dependent on your body for survival. Aborting it at that point would mean denying it that chance.


yeah totally agree because at that point you should just go ahead and give birth to it and put it up for adoption (because I think it's better to be raised by someone who isn't your biological parents than someone who doesn't want you) and at that point if you put it up for adoption then a family that normally couldn't get a child may get that gift
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abortion is wrong.
why should the unborn kid, have to pay for their mom &dad mistakes with it life

America should Banned abortion in all 50 states, they will not but they should.

I am a traveling priest does my post count
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It should only be used as an option when the Mother's life is under threat. That is all.

Abortion is murder.


Well i kinda look at it like an egg. The 'egg isn't a living being yet and doesn't have thought or anything. And really if we're gonna say that it's a living being instantly when it is conceived then it has to be murder to use a condom, birth control or any other kind of contraception. and you also have to stop masturbating as your sperm-cells are technically alive
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VegaBathala wrote:

Scientists say they can prove the existence of the soul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xeh001ptDgo

The soul enters the body at conception.



You really need to stop listening to crazies.
Here's why they are wrong.
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2011/05/23/physics-and-the-immortality-of-the-soul/
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VegaBathala wrote:

Sorry, man. I don't debate with ignorant people like you who are so biased they are blind.


Judging by the time it took you to reply, I find it doubtful that you even read the article I provided, which indicates willful ignorance.
So who is really the biased one? I say it's the one who is willfully ignorant in order to conserve his pre-concieved ideas.

And if you DID read it, then perhaps you can explain to me WHY it's wrong?
And enlighten me so that I may not be ignorant anymore?

I AM willing to learn, you see. You just have to provide sufficient evidence and proof, and not just speculations.
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NicholasDThepunisherWolfwood wrote:

abortion is wrong.
why should the unborn kid, have to pay for their mom &dad mistakes with it life

America should Banned abortion in all 50 states, they will not but they should.

I am a traveling priest does my post count



Remember that abortion is only legal up to a certain point. A child is not concidered a living human until it gains cognitive function. Before that,iit is a lifeless lump of cell. A jellyfish at best. Why should a jellyfish ruin the lives of two people simply because of ONE mistake they did?

Besides, seeing as you are a priest, I assume that you believe that we have an immortal soul, yeah?
And as far as I understand, sin is something that we are born with. After all, we can't sin when in the womb. Which means that the baby's soul will go straight to God, no?
That means that the baby will be spared all the pain and suffering of this world.

So really, if that is the case, then abortion is pretty much the most compassionate thing a parent can do for their child.
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VegaBathala wrote:

Scientists say they can prove the existence of the soul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xeh001ptDgo

The soul enters the body at conception.



I doubt that is reputable. Since when was the soul suddenly a measurable and observable thing?

It being measurable and observable goes against its defining attributes. If you can observe and measure it, it's not faith but physical proof. In having actual evidence, you go against the presupposition that faith is needed for adherence to Christian (or other faith-based religious) beliefs. Also, people have tried since the dawn of time to observe/measure the soul. In the 17th or 18th century, some went as far as to put dying people on scales so that they could observe weight changes from the soul leaving the body at the moment of death. Guess what? There was nothing substantial that came of it.

Spouting something silly that cannot be proved can be dismissed with the same disregard (of evidence) with which the nonsense is spouted. Not providing proof and asserting that faith is all that you need does nothing to prove anything and lends no weight to one's attempt in forcing an inherently selfish set of 'morals' onto others who are more intimately involved and affected by the matter than their oppressor is.
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I oppose abortion.

I think that's about my contribution to this thread.
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I oppose abortion.

I think that's about my contribution to this thread.


But aren't you a christian?
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mdmrn wrote:

I oppose abortion.

I think that's about my contribution to this thread.


But aren't you a christian?

Yes, I am. I see no point in arguing in this thread, though. I oppose the murder of unborn babies. Others do not. The point has been argued at length here and, frankly, I don't think I can really add a fresh perspective to it to really change any minds.

I made my point, I think abortion is murder, and I'm not planning to argue further.
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mdmrn wrote:


Syndicaidramon wrote:


mdmrn wrote:

I oppose abortion.

I think that's about my contribution to this thread.


But aren't you a christian?

Yes, I am. I see no point in arguing in this thread, though. I oppose the murder of unborn babies. Others do not. The point has been argued at length here and, frankly, I don't think I can really add a fresh perspective to it to really change any minds.

I made my point, I think abortion is murder, and I'm not planning to argue further.


But I'm curious... my impression is that most christian thinks that infants who die go straight to heaven. So if that's the case, shouldn't you be totally FOR abortion? Shouldn't christians be the ones who support it the most?
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Christians are against any killing of life in general. So they're also supposed to be against the death penalty too. Of course they're against the murder of life in the womb. Yes, the infant will go to heaven, because the infant is too young and innocent to make choices that would send them to 'hell'. Actually that applies to children too. I think the youngest they're not considered innocent anymore is 9, at least from what I've seen but that's a gray area so I tend to not think too deep into the age limit, especially when there are a lot of other things that are better to spend my time thinking within the belief system. But, in the end, Christians believe in life, and living life, killing a baby before they even come into the world, is completely against that. In the end, that's a moral issue, religious involvement or not.

There's a poem that I've seen that really is one of the main things that makes me against abortion, even more than those teachings. I don't know the original source, and I originally saw it on profiles on fanfiction.net. But here it is.


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