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Posted 7/10/14
Opposed to abortion. Not much to say. I think almost everyone agrees that killing humans is wrong, even if that human is inconvenient to you. The problem is that not everyone chooses to define a fetus as a human life. Also, I find it particularly offensive that it is considered to be simply a part of it's mother's body, when half of it's DNA is from it's father. At the very least, abortion should not be performed without the father's consent.
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I believe in abortion. Why? Because it's none of my business what a woman does with her body. Do not force your beliefs onto someone~ It's just not nice.
Posted 7/11/14
A person's body, a person's choice. (I don't use women here because women aren't the only ones that can get pregnant. Anyone remember Thomas Beatie?)

I don't see why people are so overly involved when a person is pregnant but once the baby comes out they leave them high and dry and get angry and upset when they ask them for help if they so choose to keep the baby.

It's like, are you only pro-life while the baby is still unborn but once the baby is out you're suddenly pointing fingers at the person for wanting "hand outs" and saying that if they can't afford the child why "did you end up pregnant" (cause we all know people just "end up pregnant" without another person around to help)?

It doesn't make any sense. And I remember reading someone's posts on tumblr talking about how can you be pro-life if you're also pro-military and pro-death penalty? It is an interesting contradiction that I think more people should look into before they proclaim the right to choose what a (pregnant) person does with their body.
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Posted 7/11/14

MeikoAkizukiMB wrote:

It doesn't make any sense. And I remember reading someone's posts on tumblr talking about how can you be pro-life if you're also pro-military and pro-death penalty? It is an interesting contradiction that I think more people should look into before they proclaim the right to choose what a (pregnant) person does with their body.


While I do differ ideoloically with you, I completely agree with this statement.
I, for one, am pro-life, anti-death penalty. I wouldn't go as far as to say I am anti-military, as I feel some degree of military is necessary to discourage would-be invaders; however I am strongly opposed to foreign wars.
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Life isn't black and white, everything is circumstantial. Abortion is just another tool of society, some use it for correcting their stupid mistake last night and some use it due to darker reasons, I mean would you want to raise a child that was conceived by rape? (which was pointed out earlier)

Children are everything to parents (well some), they symbolize characteristics about you and they have so much potential to grow.

I'd rather have a kid not be born than have them live through shitty poverty and neglect growing up.

This almost correlates to suicide, there are people who have had such rough lives that they'd wish they were dead instead, that they had never been born into an abusive family.

So many people in society ridicule "baby mama's" and "stupid teen pregnancies" yet society is telling them that to have an abortion is wrong? I'm not saying you people on this thread that are pro-life represent society, cause I've seen sooooo many people ignorantly protest that abortion should be taken away, even in my country.

It just sickens me when they hypocritically say that, then ridicule single hard working mum's and then take it back to the start saying "well you shouldn't have had sex then" - it's wrong, everyone makes mistakes. Fortunately I haven't conceived an unplanned child and I don't plan to.

But to say that abortion is a crime and that people who do it are stupid is horribly insensitive. There are a lot of people who have considered abortion heavily, it wasn't a choice on a whim. You're insulting their painful choice to have an abortion, it's wrong.

The start of this thread feels wrong man

Anyway like I said, it's circumstantial, so maybe taking abortion away could end up being good? I don't know, but what I do know is that although abortion is a distasteful thing in general, I know that there are people who have cried and cried before they got their abortion, knowing it was best for the child but still breaking their hearts.

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Supported a friend when she went to an abortion clinic; rape case.. :/
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Should we run more of them over?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIgXx3W7_C0

Or was the driver just unawares?
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Yeah, I don't agree with abortion. If a legit couple has the mistake of conceiving a child they don't want, they have the responsibility to carry it out, even if it's to put it in an orphanage later. Abortion is like killing someone you don't like out of inconvenience.

You have no idea what you are talking about,

There are exceptions, however. Suppose a woman is raped and later finds out she's pregnant because of it... there's no reason to put her in one-nine months of agony and a constant reminder of the horrendous event.

It doesn't matter whether she has the child or not she will always remember the event. Its not something you can forget.

I chose to have an abortion but it was mostly the mothers decision, after all it was her body, she was not mentally fit to be a mother, i was not in the financial position to look after one plus my disability is genetic i refuse to bring into this shit world another disabled child. so you self righteous assholes can kiss donkey ass. you have no idea how much it hurts mentally and emotionally to do some thing you really don't want to do. Stop bringing up subjects you don't have any idea of.
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Posted 7/16/14

Avenir wrote:

Should we run more of them over?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIgXx3W7_C0

Or was the driver just unawares?


And, if you know what the FACE act is, then what they did is both illegal since 1994 and stupid, but that doesn't stop them at all from continuing to do it. There is also the movements history of arson, assault, Murder, and pillaging medical waste from hospitals to put up on protest-signs, which is gross, among other offenses.

I'm honestly glad that they are all right, and angry at them for doing something so stupid. It really paints a need for the creation of buffer zones at all clinics, and I'm worried they might start bombings at some point.
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Thankfully, I live in Canada where abortion is legal and you just go to the hospital to have it done like any other medical procedure. You don't have to go to a specialized clinic to have one where you can be targeted by people who like to shame people who have decided to abort for a myriad of reasons. Perhaps they were not being careful, or they were being careful and still got pregnant, or they were raped, or they have an illness that makes them incapable of handling it, or they are poor, or they have a mental illness, or they are addicts... the list goes on and on.

It is a difficult decision to make no matter what the circumstances or personal situation may be. And it is just that, a very private and personal decision. Just like the decision on whether or not to ever have a child in the first place is a personal and private decision. It is not the decision of the government or of society as a whole. It is an individual decision and a very private one at that.

And here's just one article to ponder for those who think all pregnancies should happen regardless of the situation:

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/british-columbia/woman-who-gave-birth-to-twins-in-park-had-mental-health-issues-police-say/article13460523/

Do you think that baby born to the heroin addicted mother who is raised in poverty has an equal chance of being successful in life as the baby born to the prepared parents who are stable and have thought it out really well? Nope, that child has the odds stacked against them very severely.

Here are some dismal stats for the USA from http://www.childhelp.org/pages/statistics

-In one study, children whose parents abuse alcohol and other drugs were three times more likely to be abused and more than four times more likely to be neglected than children from non-abusing families.

-Abused children are 25% more likely to experience teen pregnancy.

-Children who experience child abuse & neglect are about 9 times more likely to become involved in criminal activity.

-The estimated annual cost of child abuse and neglect in the United States for 2008 is $124 billion.

-The United States has one of the worst records among industrialized nations – losing on average between four and seven children every day to child abuse and neglect.


Read that stat one more time about how abused children are 25% more likely to experience teen pregnancy. Really think hard about that stat and think about what that might mean to the pregnant teen who is being abused at home already and comes home to tell their abusive parents that she is pregnant. What are some of the outcomes of that situation?

And why am I bringing up abuse/neglect stats? Maybe because an unwanted child is more likely to suffer abuse and neglect than one that is wanted.

And as far as adoption goes to all those who think this is the "answer" to all unplanned and unwanted pregnancies, maybe you should check your statistics. Let's see how good your math skills are as you look at some Canadian stats regarding adoption and abortion:

http://www.adoption.ca/myths-and-realities
http://abortionincanada.ca/stats/annual-abortion-rates/

People certainly aren't lining up to adopt if most children up for adoption in Canada are over the age of 6 and waiting for someone to love them and care about them. Also, could you imagine if all those abortions didn't happen and there were that many more children in the care of the Canadian government waiting for homes?

Making abortion illegal will not stop abortion from happening. Making abortion legal makes it safer for the women seeking abortion and it also provides health professionals the chance to provide education and options so they don't have to seek it ever again.

Did you know when my aunt was in school, it was widely believed that jumping up and down after sex would ensure you wouldn't get pregnant? And douching was another "sure-fire" method. The "pull-out" method was also supposed to be fool-proof. Did you know that these kinds of ridiculous rumors are still circulating? Thankfully, these rumors are being squashed by better education and more open communication in this area.

If you look at Canada's abortion stats, you will see that the rates are almost half of what they were in the mid-90's. Better education, more open conversation in schools, between parents and their children, between doctors, nurses, and others are what is driving these numbers down. Also, access to contraceptives is much easier now and there are a wider variety of options that make it affordable as well.
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i say a woman can do whatever she wants with her own body. if she gets pregnant and is not ready to carry responsibility or just doesn't want a child, then it's her right to get the baby aborted. i'd rather a child not come into life to be abused/neglected/regretted by bad parents. if my mom didn't want me she would have aborted me. coming into the world unwanted and unloved is worse than being aborted.

i'll tell you right now that if i got pregnant, i'd get an abortion. if i didn't want a child why the hell would i ever bring it into this world. i hate the "if you got pregnant it's your fault" argument. there are accidents. there are slip ups. every woman has the right to decide what they feel is best.
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For the most part my idea is if you can lay down and make one, you can stand up and raise it
With some exceptions. Sure it's the woman's decision, (mostly) I'm just not going to help you validate your decisions or reasons if I think they were shitty.

People have do stuff for stupid reasons. So I think we keep abortion easily accessible for people who need it, and make it really hard for people who don't. Also we should iron out the adoption process. Make sure the people that are good parents are getting the children, we well as keeping an eye on the shitty parents or the ones that are suspicious. So we can move em out as efficiently and as soon as possible to better parents if need be.

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awune wrote:

i say a woman can do whatever she wants with her own body. if she gets pregnant and is not ready to carry responsibility or just doesn't want a child, then it's her right to get the baby aborted. i'd rather a child not come into life to be abused/neglected/regretted by bad parents. if my mom didn't want me she would have aborted me. coming into the world unwanted and unloved is worse than being aborted.

i'll tell you right now that if i got pregnant, i'd get an abortion. if i didn't want a child why the hell would i ever bring it into this world. i hate the "if you got pregnant it's your fault" argument. there are accidents. there are slip ups. every woman has the right to decide what they feel is best.


My words exactly.Also, people need to remember ABORTION ISN'T MURDER. If it was, it would be illegal to get an abortion.My aunt was murdered,and I get extremely angry when they compare abortion to murder. They're not the same.
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awune wrote:

i say a woman can do whatever she wants with her own body. if she gets pregnant and is not ready to carry responsibility or just doesn't want a child, then it's her right to get the baby aborted. i'd rather a child not come into life to be abused/neglected/regretted by bad parents. if my mom didn't want me she would have aborted me. coming into the world unwanted and unloved is worse than being aborted.

i'll tell you right now that if i got pregnant, i'd get an abortion. if i didn't want a child why the hell would i ever bring it into this world. i hate the "if you got pregnant it's your fault" argument. there are accidents. there are slip ups. every woman has the right to decide what they feel is best.


My words exactly.Also, people need to remember ABORTION ISN'T MURDER. If it was, it would be illegal to get an abortion.My aunt was murdered,and I get extremely angry when they compare abortion to murder. They're not the same.


Legality should not be the criteria. Keep in mind if a pregnant women is killed it counts as a double homicide. I think late term it definitely is (at the point it could survive prematurely), if the fetus is at an earlier stage I really don't know.
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I don't think the moderate stance of the viability outside of the womb argument is too unreasonable. While I might disagree with abortion on a political level and might take the none of my business argument with early term ones, when it comes to late term ones and you read an article like this one it makes you want to throw up.

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no photos, but a very disturbing article

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/13/jury-split-on-2-counts-in-trial-abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell/
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kevz_210 wrote:

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/05/13/jury-split-on-2-counts-in-trial-abortion-doctor-kermit-gosnell/


It's scarier that he was never reported to the Better Business Bureau. He was unliscensed, the tools weren't cleaned properly, and several members of his staff had problems as well. It was a back-alley clinic that operated out in the open that was used to successfully push very harmful and clearly designed anti-abortion legislation. Seriously, the whole is just so messed up.
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