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Abortion should remain legal. Otherwise there would be an influx of newborns who grow up to only become burdens to society, because of their uneducated parents who were too braindead to use protection. However I do agree that it should be heavily taxed in order to keep the dumb poor.
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Abortion should be legal before the unborn has developed to a certain point. I want to say the cutoff should be about 4 or 4.5 months into pregnancy since I'm reluctant to say I'm sure a fetus further developed would not be able to survive independently of the mother's body and a not-excessive amount if medical care.

Obviously, though, abortion should not be outright encouraged because there's something undoubtedly intrinsically valuable in a potential human life and abortion carries risk for the woman. It's not the same as, say....getting a haircut or something. And it's still more sensible to encourage people to practice responsible, preventative behavior.
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It's primarily a question of personhood, bodily sovereignty, and consent. Consent to engage in sexual activity is neither synonymous with nor inherently entails consent to become pregnant, and so it can be reasonably argued that a zygote, embryo, or fetus violates the bodily sovereignty of a person who has not consented to pregnancy simply by its presence inside them. A complicating factor, however, is that at some point personhood must be assigned to that zygote/embryo/fetus. The bulk of the debate surrounding abortion is when this assignment ought to be made.

Personhood

The first thing to keep in mind as one evaluates the subject is that personhood is a philosophical and legal institution, not a biological one. Whether the zygotes, embryos, and fetuses in question are human is not in dispute on either side of this debate. What is at issue is whether and when zygotes, embryos, and/or fetuses ought to be considered persons or simply a collection of human cells. In other words, the main question is "When do we assign personhood"?

On the one hand, setting independent fetal viability (approx. 20 weeks after the last menses) as the standard for when to assign personhood establishes a clear deadline which (unlike the fertilization standard) leaves adequate time for the mother to come to an informed, rational decision and is based on a significant event rather than an arbitrary point in a pregnancy's duration. On the other hand, it is essentially an argument that independent viability is a defining criterion of personhood, a prospect I expect few depending upon life supporting equipment would find especially exciting. Fortunately, the concerns of opponents of the independent viability standard with regard to such individuals have been shown to be unwarranted, and so the standard remains a reasonable one as of this point.

Bodily Sovereignty

The second issue to be addressed is the subject of potential conflict between the bodily sovereignty of the mother and that of the zygote/embryo/fetus. In order for there to even be such a conflict personhood must first be assigned to the latter, and so this issue is one I consider to be a secondary priority. You cannot have a conflict of bodily sovereignty between a person and a non-person, non-persons have no such right.

The conflict, once in place, is effectively that one person is occupying the body of another without their consent on the mother's side, and that another party is determining whether one will live or die on the fetus' side. Resolution of this conflict is a difficult and delicate process, and ultimately it isn't possible to satisfy the bodily sovereignty of both parties. We're left to ask which violation is the least severe and lasting, and I don't really see a way to argue that the mother's inconvenience and genuine suffering are more severe than the fetus' coerced termination of life. As the violation of the mother's bodily sovereignty is less severe and lasting than the coerced death of another person, temporary violation of her bodily sovereignty is acceptable.

However, it is important to remember at this point that I spoke in favor of the independent fetal viability standard for assigning personhood , which means a mother would not actually temporarily yield her right to bodily sovereignty until about 20 weeks into her pregnancy because personhood would not be assigned to the fetus until that point. It is a well-known fact that abortion bans (which the fertilization standard effectively is) lead to women taking desperate, potentially life-threatening measures to terminate unexpected pregnancies. The fertilization standard causes women to behave both dangerously and irrationally, and worse yet it offers absolutely no benefit to the zygote/embryo/fetus that it intends to protect since a dead mother is unable to continue carrying on a pregnancy anyway. Another important reason the mother's bodily sovereignty should take precedent up to the point of independent fetal viability is the fact that consent to sexual activity is not equivalent to consent to pregnancy, and even more importantly that not all sexual activity resulting in a pregnancy is consensual. It is unreasonable to doubly violate a person's bodily sovereignty by refusing to allow them the opportunity to abort a pregnancy which is the result of coerced sexual activity, and it is unreasonable to consider consent to sex as equivalent to consent to pregnancy.
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IgniteBadIntentions wrote:

People who get abortions should be aborted from life as well.
Case closed.
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Care to justify that statement?
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IgniteBadIntentions wrote:

I already did sweetheart!
Please don't quote me thank you~


You did not justify your statement as you did not provide any valid points that serve to justify that statement at all.
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IgniteBadIntentions wrote:


applestash wrote:


IgniteBadIntentions wrote:

I already did sweetheart!
Please don't quote me thank you~


You did not justify your statement as you did not provide any valid points that serve to justify that statement at all.


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it's not a parasite in the earliest stages of pregnancy so there is no real reason to abort. But there is the fear that it will become a sort of parasite or inconvenience hence consideration abortion is in a way, of importance. as long as we feed in some way, there is a right to life that we demand.
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I could only support abortion in matters of incest, molestation, rape, etc, and if the fetus is before 3-4 months. Even then, it seems as if we're punishing an innocent child for someone else's wrongdoing. If it was me I'd have the baby, and the father would be under the jail.
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