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digs wrote:

I learned the 4 criteria for like last year in Biology

1. Must contain DNA (the zygote has DNA now, and a full set of human chromosomes.)
2. But have a metabolism (the zygote burns energy and uses it to divide.)
3. Must be able to reproduce (the cells are reproducing and deviding. And the Zygote is the product of sexual reproduction)
4. Must interact or respond to surroundings (It devides and eventually implants into the uterus were it interacts with the female reproductive system and develops a placenta. it also reacts by dying when you murder it.)

The zygote and fetus are alive. Living things must belong to a species. So the zygote/fetus are human. Isn't killing a human called murder?



cancer also exhibits most of those signs, so do hook worms
skin cells reproduce and divide and are a product of sexual reproduction because without sex then there is no new human with skin to reproduce itself. skin also contains DNA that belongs to the same species as the zygote.

a zygote is not part of the human species. humans are identified as being symetrical with two arms and legs. they walk upright, etc...


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well, since i am a catholic.. abortion is a big no no... and i also think that
abortion is murder...

however, sometimes i think abortion is about "why people resort to it"..
the "right values" are rarely manifested by the youth today... let's face reality, the youth today does not see sex as sacred and/or a way of "procreation".. they see sex as somewhat like a recreation where you do it because you just like to do it... that's why there are a lot of unwanted pregnancies.. the word here is unwanted.. and so i guess it's better to abort the baby than be born and not feel the love that he/she is suppose to feel..

it's really hard to have a life when in the first place your parents were forced to take care of you.. i mean of all the people in this world, your parents should be the first one to love you.. it really sucks living a life where you dont get any love...



if the only reason you can see to abort a fetus is "oopsie" then you are missing out on a lot of the compassions humans typically exhibit.
how bout this one: " i live in a box on MLK dr and eat rats. bringing a child into this environment would be criminal"?
just because you are well off and capable of being a decent parent doesnt mean everyone is.
leave people alone with their choices. just because someone makes the choice doesnt mean even they agree with it.
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Posted 8/25/13 , edited 8/25/13
Who gives people the right to make decisions about what I want to do with my body? I don't care if i have the god damn spawn of satan living in my uterus, no one should be able to make that decision for me and I certainly wouldn't want to make it for someone else. Everyone has a different opinion to go along with their own situation which is why they should decide for themselves if they are in that situation. As I am now, if i got pregnant I don't know if I would get an abortion but I sure as hell wouldn't want that right taken away from me.
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Posted 8/25/13
eh rape..
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Posted 8/31/13
I've always thought that at the early stages that abortion for any reason is alright and then if its considered a "late stage", I think that is after like 6 months, abortion that it should be done when it will protect the mother/save the baby from some agonizing life; because honestly if you're past 6 months pregnant you know you are pregnant and that you should keep it or not. Nobody should be forced to carry at baby for any reason that they do not want, the stigma and shaming that comes with abortion also makes me ill. If you are pro-life, you don't know what happened to that person, the potentially unsafe life they live/the child will be born into and your ignorant selfish choices shouldn't dictate that person's reproductive life.

On another side note, when gametes (egg and sperm) meet that is not biologically a "life", that is a cluster of cells. This life starts at conception is bull.
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Posted 8/31/13
The couple should discussed it among themselves...

If they choose to abort the child then it is their decision... I don't think it is morally wrong to have an abortion.
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There's a HUGE difference between killing something and letting it die. Let's say that a fetus is not just a potential for life but actually a life. Now what? The mother is the one providing the fetus with nutrients from her body. She is doing so at a great cost (she must dedicate her body and 9 months of time to it). She should be allowed to stop providing assistance to the fetus. She can deny access of her body to another person, and a fetus is nothing special in particular. The fetus is not worse off having met the mother. She didn't inflict any harm upon the fetus. She simply stopped helping it and it died because it could not sustain itself.

Because lives are intrinsically valuable, this means that some consideration for the fetus must be had, but it is not morally wrong for the mother to cease helping the fetus. One shouldn't abort like getting a haircut, but it would be wrong to say that the mother must shoulder the burden of seeing the fetus develop to term every time.

For instance, you see a kid who has fallen into a well. You can choose to either help him or not help him. Let's say that all you had to do was reach half of your arm into the well and pull him out. There's nothing at stake for you and you could have easily helped the kid. But you don't help him. You ought to have helped him because there was nothing at stake for you and his life at stake for him. You ought to have helped him. You messed up for not doing so. However, you did not KILL him. You did not even harm him. He is not worse off having encountered you and you can't be punished for causing the kid's death because you let him die and did not really kill him. Even if people hate you for it, you did not cause his death. You simply did not prevent it.

Let's say now that the edges of the well are lined with rusty spikes and are steep and very sharp/jagged. You will be severely cut if you try to reach in that far to pull him out. The additional weight of the kid would send the keen edges slicing even deeper into your body. In this case, wouldn't it be more understandable if you chose not to help him due to the possibility of great bodily harm? This is the relationship between a mother-to-be and a fetus. It's not that she ought to help the fetus and there is nothing at stake for her. There is plenty at stake for her (future, money, possibly bodily and mental harm). It's ridiculous to say that it's this person's fault for killing someone and that she is obligated to put herself at stake each time.
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Abortion should be legal.
It's time to stop trying to control women's bodies.
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I would say allow it, of course have the time-limit ( can't remember how long it was).

lets say that a couple are expecting a child and they have no means to provide for it then I think it's better to abort it ( the argument that life begins at conception is arguable and I don't think it starts there) and while on the subject of abortion i also feel that using the aborted fetuses(probably spelled wrong ) should be legal to use for stem-cell research, as i feel that it can greatly improve on the quality of live for someone :D

But that's just my two cents
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ikano1 wrote:

I would say allow it, of course have the time-limit ( can't remember how long it was).

lets say that a couple are expecting a child and they have no means to provide for it then I think it's better to abort it ( the argument that life begins at conception is arguable and I don't think it starts there) and while on the subject of abortion i also feel that using the aborted fetuses(probably spelled wrong ) should be legal to use for stem-cell research, as i feel that it can greatly improve on the quality of live for someone :D

But that's just my two cents :D


Yeah, I don't think last-trimester abortions should be allowed, either. Like....you had 6 months to notice you are pregnant and that entire time to do something about it. How do you NOT notice? At that point, the baby has a fighting chance at surviving if it's born and is no longer completely dependent on your body for survival. Aborting it at that point would mean denying it that chance.
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Morbidhanson wrote:


ikano1 wrote:

I would say allow it, of course have the time-limit ( can't remember how long it was).

lets say that a couple are expecting a child and they have no means to provide for it then I think it's better to abort it ( the argument that life begins at conception is arguable and I don't think it starts there) and while on the subject of abortion i also feel that using the aborted fetuses(probably spelled wrong ) should be legal to use for stem-cell research, as i feel that it can greatly improve on the quality of live for someone :D

But that's just my two cents :D


Yeah, I don't think last-trimester abortions should be allowed, either. Like....you had 6 months to notice you are pregnant and that entire time to do something about it. How do you NOT notice? At that point, the baby has a fighting chance at surviving if it's born and is no longer completely dependent on your body for survival. Aborting it at that point would mean denying it that chance.


yeah totally agree because at that point you should just go ahead and give birth to it and put it up for adoption (because I think it's better to be raised by someone who isn't your biological parents than someone who doesn't want you) and at that point if you put it up for adoption then a family that normally couldn't get a child may get that gift
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abortion is wrong.
why should the unborn kid, have to pay for their mom &dad mistakes with it life

America should Banned abortion in all 50 states, they will not but they should.

I am a traveling priest does my post count
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Posted 9/1/13 , edited 9/1/13

VegaBathala wrote:

It should only be used as an option when the Mother's life is under threat. That is all.

Abortion is murder.


Well i kinda look at it like an egg. The 'egg isn't a living being yet and doesn't have thought or anything. And really if we're gonna say that it's a living being instantly when it is conceived then it has to be murder to use a condom, birth control or any other kind of contraception. and you also have to stop masturbating as your sperm-cells are technically alive
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Posted 9/1/13 , edited 9/1/13

VegaBathala wrote:

Scientists say they can prove the existence of the soul: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xeh001ptDgo

The soul enters the body at conception.



You really need to stop listening to crazies.
Here's why they are wrong.
http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2011/05/23/physics-and-the-immortality-of-the-soul/
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Posted 9/1/13 , edited 9/1/13

VegaBathala wrote:

Sorry, man. I don't debate with ignorant people like you who are so biased they are blind.


Judging by the time it took you to reply, I find it doubtful that you even read the article I provided, which indicates willful ignorance.
So who is really the biased one? I say it's the one who is willfully ignorant in order to conserve his pre-concieved ideas.

And if you DID read it, then perhaps you can explain to me WHY it's wrong?
And enlighten me so that I may not be ignorant anymore?

I AM willing to learn, you see. You just have to provide sufficient evidence and proof, and not just speculations.
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Posted 9/1/13

NicholasDThepunisherWolfwood wrote:

abortion is wrong.
why should the unborn kid, have to pay for their mom &dad mistakes with it life

America should Banned abortion in all 50 states, they will not but they should.

I am a traveling priest does my post count



Remember that abortion is only legal up to a certain point. A child is not concidered a living human until it gains cognitive function. Before that,iit is a lifeless lump of cell. A jellyfish at best. Why should a jellyfish ruin the lives of two people simply because of ONE mistake they did?

Besides, seeing as you are a priest, I assume that you believe that we have an immortal soul, yeah?
And as far as I understand, sin is something that we are born with. After all, we can't sin when in the womb. Which means that the baby's soul will go straight to God, no?
That means that the baby will be spared all the pain and suffering of this world.

So really, if that is the case, then abortion is pretty much the most compassionate thing a parent can do for their child.
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