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Posted 6/24/07
I agree with hibzargon. I mean, alive or not, it's still a child and I sure as hell wouldn't want to be aborted, so why would I want to do that to anyone else?
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^ but at what point does it actually become a child? Granted i'm sure none of us would like to have been aborted, but since we were not aborted, that isn't the issue (to me anyway)
Dark, as a guy, would want someone you had a one night stand with (drunk sober, whatever) would you want them to raise your child? you'd have to pay and care for the child for the next 18 years at least!
Being a parent is expensive!
not to mention it's hard work.


Edit: WOOT! 1001 cr points.. I finally broke the 1k mark!
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i don't like the idea of killing an innocent child however the world is being run by the ignorant who promote more ignorance...? of course genocide is out of the question so let's move on to the next topic... criminals who committed heinous crimes politicians included of course, should be promptly executed instead of crowding the prisons and causing financial black holes... why not have a mass sterilization program instead...? helps control the population and also good for the economy... on the other hand self righteous religious groups are against all forms of contraception because the plain act of putting on a condom is murder... We have a choice on the matter and sometimes common sense is the answer...

I'm sorry I ranted... I love life but I don't like people very much...
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Dusterbayala wrote:

^ but at what point does it actually become a child? Granted i'm sure none of us would like to have been aborted, but since we were not aborted, that isn't the issue (to me anyway)
Dark, as a guy, would want someone you had a one night stand with (drunk sober, whatever) would you want them to raise your child? you'd have to pay and care for the child for the next 18 years at least!
Being a parent is expensive!
not to mention it's hard work.


Edit: WOOT! 1001 cr points.. I finally broke the 1k mark!


I really wouldn't have to worry about that since I don't do that whole one night stand thing. But, if I was dumb enough to get a girl pregnant, I would help to raise the child.

By the way, congratulations on passing the 1000 mark, dusterbayala
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manzi wrote:

i don't like the idea of killing an innocent child however the world is being run by the ignorant who promote more ignorance...? of course genocide is out of the question so let's move on to the next topic... criminals who committed heinous crimes politicians included of course, should be promptly executed instead of crowding the prisons and causing financial black holes... why not have a mass sterilization program instead...? helps control the population and also good for the economy... on the other hand self righteous religious groups are against all forms of contraception because the plain act of putting on a condom is murder... We have a choice on the matter and sometimes common sense is the answer...

I'm sorry I ranted... I love life but I don't like people very much...


lol mass sterilization.. I love it! - Yeah thanks to the catholic missionaries Aids is at Pandemic levels in Africa... Gotta love religion.
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^^ About when we can consider the fetus to be a live, I'll quote my earlier post:


jamehze wrote:

Well everyone's debating about abortion using pathos and ethos. Why don't we use logos and facts to answer this question?

First, we have to determine if the embryo is actually a person.

Within the first 4 weeks of fertilization, the egg divides and forms into a morula and then forms the hollow ball called the blastula. Then stratification by cell type begins to create the ectotherm, endotherm, etc.

So by this time, it isn't capable of individual thinking so abortion at this point in my view is perfectly viable.

In the next phase between week 5-6, organogenesis and neuralation begins. This means the development of the nervous system and other important organs like the heart. Now here's the tricky part. There are brain waves going on in the embryo, but it hasn't taken up a stable shape. So is it able to think on its own or are these impulses just precursors to actual "intelligent" cognitive ability?

By week 8, blood starts to flow and the embryo will move, but it lacks fingers, and other distinct appendages. Now this is the gray area for me. At this point, does the embryo count as an individual human being? I don't think so since it hasn't taken up the form of a human yet. It still has an enlarged head, a partial tail, and possibly gill slits.

As it passes week 8, then it becomes the fetus with defined fingers and toes. Brain stem activity starts here and it will begin to develop some sort of reaction to external stimuli. Now this isn't necessarily like grabbing and touching. Rather it is just simple avoidance behavior or just bending of appendages.

Past week 8, the fetus begins to develop obvious cognitive ability and the hardening of the skeletal system.

Now personally, I think abortion is alright up to week 5-6 where it is still in the embryonic phase. That gives the woman over a month to find out she's pregnant and to make a decision. If she waits any longer, she shouldn't be given the option because she has already had so much to deliberate over the issue so it's not just to save the child, but also as a life lesson to her.


Eugenics isn't anything new in the world. Way back before WWII, there were mass campaigns going around the world including the US and Britain where sterilization was practiced on a mass scale among individuals who had various genetic issues such as the mentally retarded.
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jamehze wrote:

Well everyone's debating about abortion using pathos and ethos. Why don't we use logos and facts to answer this question?

First, we have to determine if the embryo is actually a person.

Within the first 4 weeks of fertilization, the egg divides and forms into a morula and then forms the hollow ball called the blastula. Then stratification by cell type begins to create the ectotherm, endotherm, etc.

So by this time, it isn't capable of individual thinking so abortion at this point in my view is perfectly viable.

In the next phase between week 5-6, organogenesis and neuralation begins. This means the development of the nervous system and other important organs like the heart. Now here's the tricky part. There are brain waves going on in the embryo, but it hasn't taken up a stable shape. So is it able to think on its own or are these impulses just precursors to actual "intelligent" cognitive ability?

By week 8, blood starts to flow and the embryo will move, but it lacks fingers, and other distinct appendages. Now this is the gray area for me. At this point, does the embryo count as an individual human being? I don't think so since it hasn't taken up the form of a human yet. It still has an enlarged head, a partial tail, and possibly gill slits.

As it passes week 8, then it becomes the fetus with defined fingers and toes. Brain stem activity starts here and it will begin to develop some sort of reaction to external stimuli. Now this isn't necessarily like grabbing and touching. Rather it is just simple avoidance behavior or just bending of appendages.

Past week 8, the fetus begins to develop obvious cognitive ability and the hardening of the skeletal system.

Now personally, I think abortion is alright up to week 5-6 where it is still in the embryonic phase. That gives the woman over a month to find out she's pregnant and to make a decision. If she waits any longer, she shouldn't be given the option because she has already had so much to deliberate over the issue so it's not just to save the child, but also as a life lesson to her.


Well that’s very true, however you do know that more or less instantly upon conception the child has the unique genetic build up of a Human being. This being said they are biologically Humans.

Religiously you already know the answer. (This is for Christians, Catholics, and I believe but am not sure Muslims. [Just based on what I’ve been told by Muslims.])

Legally they are Humans too. Otherwise you’d believe that Illegal Aliens are not Humans because they do not have the paper work. Plus if you kill a pregnant woman you get double-murder.

Politically… Hmm, I guess they’re not. That’s shaky though.

Well, whatever the case. Let’s ignore this for a moment and move on:

What gives people the right to decide what stage of development makes you a Human or not? I mean, a toddler is not fully developed so what if I decide that he’s not a Human. Hell, let’s get closer to the nerve, his mother decides he’s not Human. But, he is a inconvenience. She gets a chance to go to Spain and make millions of dollars. But she can’t with that leech thing that isn’t even Human. So she snuffs its lights out. Is that not the same thing as abortion? Exterminating a living creature with the genetic build up of a Human being because the mother decides that he’s not alive and is thus not worth her success. That’s abortion.

Abortion is genocide. It’s taking a large group of the Human race, deciding their subhuman, and slaughtering them because of this.

Don’t you think, Jam?


Posted 8/4/07
I don't really care for it but If a couple or women doesn't want the child why not. Murder means to take ones life, abortion to me is really just keeping one from beginning a life.
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i absoultely agree. abortion is murder becuase is an living organism.
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I used to think that it was a matter of choice. that the woman had a right to choose. it's her body after all. but later i realized that from the moment of conception it's not her body. it's both hers and her baby's. nobody has the right to choose to end a life once it has started and it starts from the moment of conception. If the woman or couple don't want the child nine months of their life is all it's gonna cost them if the don't want to be murderers. i am not sayin that everybody who has had an abortion is a murderer. if they are truly sorry and would never consider doing it again, then they can be forgiven.

PS: Very well said SeraphAlford! i completly agree
Posted 8/4/07
^What SeraphAlford said is true.

Lets look at the fact that it's considered murder. It is really murder is the thing your killing practically even alive at all? There is a fine live between the living and inanimate. Just because something isn't dead doesn't mean it's alive either. I'm not saying that it's not human. I'm just stating that murder means to take ones life away. Abortion means to keep one from having a life. If you hurt or kill someone you not only hurt them you hurt everybody that person knows; family, friends, co-workers, etc. When you have an abortion you keep that pain isolated. That organism inside you has no friends or co-workers, and if the mother or couple is having an abortion then they don't really care for you do they? I'm not arguing that abortion isn't the killing of a human being. I'm saying that people should think carefully before they start shouting "murders"!
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Abortion is murder.
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^OOO! Please enlighten me!
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EvenGodDoesntKnow wrote:

^OOO! Please enlighten me!


If you need to be enlightened then you have a problem.
Posted 8/4/07
So basically you have no idea what your saying, or at lease can back it up.
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