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so digs are you against the death penalty?

you against war?

what about stem cell research? something that could save millions of lives?

also find me where in a widely accepted science anything it defines what the criteria of life is.


How in the world does abortion save millions of lives? Besides, like it’s necessary to kill people for stem cell research. You can take stem cells from somebody’s nose; moreover, stem cell research’s original attention was to repair the human body after its been paralyzed. Though, it can also be used to preserve the lives of heart-attack victims…

War is a necessary destruction of life for the protection of innocent life. Abortion is the destruction of innocent life for the protection of convenience.

And the death penalty is just glorified murder. Just like abortions.


Edit: Anyone who calls you a name is a childish moron, Red. You're welcome to that opinion.
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God didn't write the Bible. People did. Belief and faith is entirely up to the individual. If I spread a text that promoted anarchy, rebellion, and homicide, proclaiming it's the word of God - it doesn't necessarily mean it's legit. People tend to skew things to their favor. The Bible, albeit considered very sacred to many, isn't an exception.
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no the bible is teachings imo of how to live our life its more a guide.
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digs wrote:

God gives people choices, they can make the wrong choice if they want too. now your the one bringing religion into this debate. . .

I think the death penalty is only acceptible in cases of murder.

I am against most wars, but if someone is trying to kill you you should defend yourself.

I hate when people bring up stem cells, thats another "if." My poppop(grandfather) has multiple miloma (its a form of bone cancer) and he is a stem cell research subject. They have made progress from his stem cells.


why are they okay in cases of murder? you are saying its okay for people to decide who should die or not for whatever reason they killed someone?

if someone is trying to kill you, you should defend yourself. so you are against the war in iraq?

also this whole argument relies on what ifs. what if the baby is alive? what if the baby could speak for itself? what if it doesn't ruin a life? what if it turns out for the better?
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Well this discussion isn’t over rather or not the bible is Gods word. Personally I believe it is, however I think one must take the bible as a hole. If you take random words from it you can make it say whatever you like. From “Killing is good,” to “Jesus was a whore.” That goes for nearly any lengthy document in the entire history of written language.

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God inspired the Bible. People also skew science to fit their image. Like using it to define what is living. Science has 4 criteria that a fetus/zygote meet. then some will askew it to justify abortion and back it up saying that science supports it.

and everyone is entitled to an opinion. those who bring emotions and insults to debates are immature.

and I don't like the death penalty. but when someone kills someone else, why should they be allowed to live while an innocent was murdered?
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Ah stem cell research. There's something positive that could come from abortions when they are necessary. Harvesting Stem cells. Those beautiful little cells could save so many lives, being able to turn into any other cell in the body.

And aznfarseer, Good Point!
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hmm ye. Well the death penalty is worse than abortion. Those people can think for them selves. a featus cant really think.
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"War is a necessary destruction of life for the protection of innocent life. Abortion is the destruction of innocent life for the protection of convenience."

destruction of life for the protection of innocent life.

hmm....

you against the war in iraq then?

i mean people start wars. so anyone starting one is to destroy life to protect innocent life?
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SeraphAlford wrote:

Well this discussion isn’t over rather or not the bible is Gods word. Personally I believe it is, however I think one must take the bible as a hole. If you take random words from it you can make it say whatever you like. From “Killing is good,” to “Jesus was a whore.” That goes for nearly any lengthy document in the entire history of written language.



I find it kind of humorous considering I'm a devout Catholic. But I make sure to pick on the loathsome arguments that just justify their claims with "but, but, the Bible said so!" The Bible also considers women very inferior in every which way, commanding them to be unconditionally subservient. Don't mean it's right ;)

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And bringing the bible and religion into a debate like this seems kinda pointless. That's like me basing my choices out of what I read in last weeks TV Guide.

And god inspiring the bible? We should leave the religious debate to another thread.

The latest thing the supreme court overturned, I forget what it was called, but it was any abortion done after the first trimester. I don't care how pro-choice you are, that decision made you happy. Something I've always thought about abortion is that if your going to do it, theres no point in waiting to make the decision. The second you become pregnant it should be either I'm keeping it or not. Theres no reason to be in your 2nd trimester and go oh, now I'll get an abortion.
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Lets focus on abortion and not on the war, religion, or the death penalty.

And a fetus is also innocent. It hasn't done anything wrong. Just because it can't make desicions for itself doesn't mean that others have the right to say that its not worthy of life.
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ppl can do whatever they want but most abortions are fatal. so if u dont wanna die dont do it. i heard a presentation about it and ppl stick a tube in there u know where and fill it with bleach to kill the baby, but kills the mother also.
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The bible was written whn their ws a diffrent socuiety. Their were diffrent societies and views. I mean the Romans glorified in blood sports. People invaded most places.
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you guys are presenting very good points, points that people debate about this as of now.

i think the matter is that pro choice people worry about the mother. and pro life people worry about the child. the only reason i am for pro choice is that there are specific times when i believe abortion is crucial, such as if it endangers the life of the mother, which comes immidiate before the fetus. however, i believe that abortion should not be aloud if rape or harm to the mother cannot be proven. but the idea is that once abortion is abolished, it will be for good, no exceptions. so i stay pro choice, but im for states making it harder to get them.

ooo i wrote tons of paper on stem cells! just on a note the federal government has a reserve of embryos from like..the sixties i believe that people donated for stem cells so they dont need to kill fetuses to harvest stem cells as of late.
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