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Its like no one listens to what i am saying. You cannot use an "if" as justification for abortion.
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Heh, my little brother was born on the 24th week of pregnancy. It was really saddening to watch him live in an incubator for over a month, but he was very much alive. He was 2 lbs 14 oz, and has breathing problems, but his blinking and slight movements justified his right to live.

Today, he's 6 and absolutely healthy. Why would anyone in their right mind, pro choice or not, wait almost that long to decide to not have a baby? That's so unbelievably selfish, and deserves a boot to the face.
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Goog, have you ever given birth? No, so stop acting like you know what it’s like!

My mother has had 4 children. She said the first child birth hurt because it was natural, but she never felt –any- pain whatsoever during the birth of myself and my two younger siblings.

My aunt has had one child. It didn’t hurt cuz she was on pain killers.

My other aunt has had 4 also, and has the same story as my mother.

I’m not lowering the value or suffering of pregnancy, but you don’t know what your talking about any more than I do. (Hints I’m using a mother’s a argument right here instead of my own.)
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Well : / their are laws. We arnt sayin 2 weeks before predicted birth having an abortion. Were just saying its ok. I meanyou have 18-22 weeks to decide if ya wnat it or not.

also its not gonna be as bad after the first birth as the pussy gets all saggy cos its been streched for 9 hours
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WHY? Why does the mother have the right? Where is A. The babies HUMAN rights? And B. The fathers?! As long as the father is actively a part of the pregnancy (Taking care of his wife, and carrying as much of the burden as possible) then he should also have a choice in rather or not the thing gets to live. The child cannot present rather or not it wants to live, but we can assume that nobody is born suicidal!

I think the only time abortion is okay is if we can be 100% sure that The babey will die anyway and the mother will die also if she gives birth to it. However, we're never 100% sure so...


Why does the mother have the right? because its HER BODY. Because this child will be leaching off of HER nutrients, when it's born SHE will be the one expected to give up everything in her life to care for it. Some people are not ready for that. But some people would say "oh well, shoulda thought about that b4 you had sex." Agreed. But it's too late to go back and change that fact. So its either kill unborn fetus/zygote/whatever b4 it has a chance to realize its even ALIVE, or wait until a week after it's born and u find it in the dumpster behind the hospital.

While I agree that the father should have some rights to what happens, the courts disagree. It's very hard for the father to affirm his stance on what should happen. But at the same time, if the man wants her to have the baby, and she doesn't? what do you do? Give in to the fathers wishes because they're more moral? then what about the mothers rights?


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But does the baby belong to her? your talking like the fetus is her property. So then was slavery a good thing?


Wow, way to take it outta left field. Besides if you really think about it baby is less like a slave and more like a parasite leaching off of the mother. Technically its not her property but at the same time she is the closest thing it has to a spokesperson.


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Its like no one listens to what i am saying. You cannot use an "if" as justification for abortion.


Well most times that "if" becomes a dead baby. Especially if the girl didn't want the baby in the first place and shes just forced to have it because big brother govt, church, whatever says so.
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I am not undermining pregnancy. and stop making offencive comments. You are being immature. My mom had pain with me, I am the first born of 4. She had less pain with my younger brothers and sisters. And even so. what makes you think that abortions might not be painful?

there an painkillers for childbirth too, my mom had an epidural that she said took care of a lot of pain. She said that is wan't too uncomfortible once she had it done.
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Abortions are extremely painful...usually for weeks after they're done. Sure your under anesthetic while the procedure is done but afterwards your body remembers...
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how am i making offensive comments?

oh and "life is pain. deal with it."



Saying that I need to pass a watermellon out of my ass. And calling me his little buddy and treating me like a pet.

^ and I was talking about the epidoural. my mom had an epidoural with me, and she said after she got it the pain was almost virtually gone.
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Yes, it is in her body. But heshould still have a say in his child. Maybe it has more effect on her, but it's not fair to him to get no say at all.
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Tbh theirs the bond with mother and child


That still doesn't justify that a woman has ALL say in an abortion. And kids can have bonds with their fathers too.
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I'm enjoying the very western viewpoint here... all painkillers and midwives... how about mudhuts and raping as a result of tribal warfare?
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Personally I don't think I'd ever get an abortion unless it was necessary [I'm extending my imagination here], because I believe everything/everyone deserves the chance to live. While that is my personal opinion I also believe that everyone has to make that kind of decision themselves - so I'm pro-choice.


But the father played a role in having the baby. 50% of its genes are his.


Yeah the father played a role in creating the fetus, but I'd say it's more the mother's issue... it's a parasite in her body basically.
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yeah but alot of children have the main relationship with the mum.
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@ henz, Do they have abortions there in clinics? If not then the only alternative is self mutilation or killing the fetus from inside. which would be more painfull for the woman then childbirth.
Posted 5/9/07
babies are cool if my sis had an abortion and I didn't have my nephew I'd cry cause when she was pregnant eveyone was like "you don't have to keep it" harsh

fathers hav rights too but they don't make any hardcore decitions so what he says matters not and what if hes all like yeah i want the kid then bails
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