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Well, this is getting no where. People are not even listening to the opposing argument. The # of posts in comparison to the amount of time in which this thread has been here is perfect proof of this…. *Leaves thread for now.*

Edit: One last thing though, and a lot of children have the main relationship with the dad!
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its not as though your forced to have abortions you have a chopice thats why its PRO CHOICE. so for the people who DONT like it can choose NOT to have it.
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Making abortions more readily available is much easier than making midwives, painkillers, birthballs, and extra food for the subsequent child readily avaliable... esspecially when getting the food requires fighting your way to the aid drops, not easy with a child.

I'm afraid this discussion is kinda pointless, I agree with seraph (for once). We are getting nowhere. The two sides will never agree due to one idea;

"Live is Sacred"

I'll just repeat my idea;

"Live is Sacred, but Quality of Life is more so."
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Yeah, people keep going off topic and start bringing other things that have nothing to do with abortion. Most people aren't even listening.

^and not really, you still have to supply a doctor, tools, and pain killers. And the after affects are still painful. The pain will also limit them from getting food drops.
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heh well most fun ivehad on cr forums for a while but this is my last point cos i wanna watch claymore.

the hate for Ambortions and the sdupport for abortions is clear. Both sides have valid points. so this is an argument that will go around in cricles. Their is no right or wrong answer just what you belive.

I am pro choice i agree that abortions should be aloud.

I also belive in quality of life and this is just one aspect of that larger argument as i said earlier of qaulity of life vs sanctity of life.
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There are such things as non-surgical abortions, they require drugs which block the action of progesterone. I would claim that this is easier to provide than a midwife and childcare.
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You still have to birth out the dead baby and the placenta. That kinda defeats the purpose.
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I am religious. I believe abortion is wrong in all situtations. But don' kill me yet, because I can undetstand why other people would want to have one. I know that my beliefs and reasoning are not the only ones out there. If someone wants to make the decision it is their choice. If they want my opinion, I will always be there to voice it.

The other arguement that I see is the quality of life. I can see where that is coming from. But as opposed to increasing abortions, couldn't you put your energy towards better funding for adoption agencies? Or making it less difficult to adopt? (Responsible parent yes, but there are cases where they wont let gay or unmarried parents adopt, which is redic)
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^^ Not within a certain time period after implantment. There are also drug which can mimic oxytocin, and thus cause birth.
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digs wrote:

You still have to birth out the dead baby and the placenta. That kinda defeats the purpose.


How is the purpose defeated? Isn't the ultimate goal to not have a child? It's just al alternative. Would you rather have a partial birth abortion where they crush the baby's skull when crowning? If the actual birthing is the broblem, that defeats the purpose as well. If I am way off please expand on why it defeat the purpose.
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I thought they were focusing on pain right now. Still, I have been to kedavers and I saw a fetus and placenta. Having to birth anything will be painful. of course pain is not the real issue.
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I agree that pain shouldn't be an issue. But I do know people who have had abortions and gave birth to chidren. Abortions, even the kind that don't include birthing a dead baby, hurt. A doctor can rupture something and cause terrible internal bleeding and bruising that lasts long after any birth pain would.
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This is me giving up. - ie. leaving the discussion as it's all hingeing upon unchangable beliefs, though maybe I could take some pics if I'm in Tanzania again...

I shall not be changing my mind, and I hope that the "pro-life" arguments won't change anyone else's either...
I still believe that choice is the way to go, and that medicine should help with the quality of life, not just keeping people alive.

I suppose this is the same as the euthanasia discussion, just the other end of it.... ah well.
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yeah this was definitely enlightening. I enjoyed debating our positions and I'm impressed at how little mud was thrown.

My final point is that we should all put ourselves in the shoes of the woman forced to make the decision, and think realistically, what would I do?

And henz, I think it was you who brought up tribal rape. Unfortunately I don't think they have proper facilities for clean abortions, and my heart goes out to those women. I could be wrong about that though as I'm not very educated on that topic.
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I'm just throwing my oppinion out there but I don't think there is anything wrong with it. But then again I also think if you don't want a baby you should have been on a better birth control method. If you were on a birth control method and you still got pregnant get an abortion its not like we need a new life in the world anyways especially if you can't take care of it. Adoption is another option.
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