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You still have to birth out the dead baby and the placenta. That kinda defeats the purpose.


How is the purpose defeated? Isn't the ultimate goal to not have a child? It's just al alternative. Would you rather have a partial birth abortion where they crush the baby's skull when crowning? If the actual birthing is the broblem, that defeats the purpose as well. If I am way off please expand on why it defeat the purpose.


partial birth abrotion is officially illegal in the united states. recent supreme court case. k sorry go on dont mind me.

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@ mauz, Its because no one listens and goes off topic way to much.
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whn it started it wasnt bad. its just no ones really adding a valid point to it and no one has for quite some pages. Its repatition.
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agreed. to go back into topic...i am for it personally but i would never want to force sombody into it. even if it is a teen pragnancy. (a dear friend age 17 is against having one) but it is all in the option. as to when it is murder i think that no matter what stage you are at if it is endangering your life you can get one. but once the fetus has developed into something clearly human then you should not get an abortion. there is something about humans and not wanting to kill something that reminds us of ourselves but when it doesnt look like us we have no problems. i think it is sick but it is also something that people can widly agree on even if it is not my ideal situation.
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Simple matter of women being fully human and having a right to control their own bodies, there is nothing further to discuss, abortion on demand all throughout pregnancy and during labor is a right, bodily integrity is inalienable.
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If your going to have sex, then accept the responcibility that your partner/you may get pregnant.
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Yaaaay another thread for religious idiots to spam

...my take:

I think abortion should be free and confidential for everyone in the lower class here in the states, particularly in highly populated undereducated poor urban areas. I think abortion should be absurdly expensive for the middle and upper classes (on par with a year of college or buying a car).

Why? Forced natural selection. Promote growth in the genetically endowed and affluent sector of society and curb the sky rocketing population in the less genetically favorable sector of society.

It's nice to live in a dream world where everyone works hard and lives the American dream, but simply put, these kids are set up for failure before they're even conceived. They're leaches on natural resources and systems put in place to help them. For everyone that succeeds there are a thousand who don't. And I truly believe that people are genetically predisposed to certain behaviors. I've seen adopted kids that grow up in affluent neighborhoods, are well educated, and given the proper foundation for their lives but invariably they make they drift towards the same negative lifestyle of their birth parents. I've seen it first hand in multiple situations.

I'm not saying force anyone to have an abortion, just make the option as easy as possible.
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pfft.... who cares what you want to do with your body.

O.K., you are clearly a horrible person with zero respect for rights, so I will direct you to this

http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/

if none of it reaches you then I don't ever want to go anywhere near you unless you have suffered a trauma which I will volunteer to help with.
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digs wrote:

If your going to have sex, then accept the responcibility that your partner/you may get pregnant.


u have been saying the same thing for 10 pages infact alot of people have and i think we assatained on page 5 the answer to this. I mean u even mentioned slavery to support the fact that abortion is wrong : /
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Yeah, but it seems that no one listens when I say that So i g2 re-state the obvious.
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well i know wht ya been saying about how it is theri "responsabiloity" and their "fault" and they should keep the baby. Well i disagree. Children should be a gift not a punishment.
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But childrens lives should not be devalued. they should have the same right to life just like everyone else. So what if they are dependant on a mother. Some people are depandent on nurses or medecine. Does that mean that its OK to kill them too?
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Abortion is perhaps the single most debatable topic on earth. If only because the most important parts of a debate are the foundations on which you base your arguments. In this case the foundations are made of mud rather than stone.

There is no definitive answer to major questions like; "When is a fetus considered alive?" or "What rights are possessed by an unborn child?"

There is no way to tell what kind of live you are saving or destroying. And I'm not saying that the quality the life dictates it's value. But there should be some consideration to whether you are saving the life of a defenseless fetus. Or if you are just prolonging the inevitable suffering of a unwanted child or just saving the child that would die in a dumpster due to lack of care.

And I'm not going to promote either form of injustice. I don't remember who said it but "Abortion just sucks." Pretty much covers it. There is no good answer.

But I will say this, all of you self-righteous people who say, "Abortion is evil", and "Baby-Killer!", you need to shut your mouths. It's real easy to sit in the cheap seats and spit your high morality bullshit. Do you honestly think these people want to have abortions? That if they had a choice before hand, that abortion would be it? Hind sight is great but it doesn't apply when the woman realizes she just missed her period and is in no position to care for a child.

And to those who will quickly react, "oh but then you shouldn't have sex"or "you should use protection"....

1. Kids are having sex long before they could possibly understand the consequences these days. (Yes it's wrong, no I'm not defending it. But it's happening, get with the program.

2. There are circumstances that have been mentioned such as rape. In which conception was not by choice, any more than the womans role in the situation.

3. Name ANY FORM of birth control that guarantees 100% effectiveness.... go ahead.. try. And we will spread it over the world like pesticide. But I will save you some trouble. The best of the best is 99.9% and while that is damn close in a world where millions of babies are born everyday, it leaves too large a margin of error.

No one wants to kill their child, but some mothers are forced to make that decision. Some for the right reasons others for the wrong ones. But who the hell do you think you are to judge those people? Not only do they have to deal with the most important, difficult and painful decision of their lives. They have to hear what the hell you think? Mind your business.

Until it is your child, you don't have a right to say anything

My man Deceptive Cadence said it the best. "What if it was you?" What if you had to decide between possibly being homeless with your child because you can't afford the babies needs and rent or destroy a life before it starts?

What is the right choice? There isn't one. So every person faced with that decision is on their own to make it. And Unless you are willing to take care of that kid for them, you should shut your mouth and stop making it harder for them.
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^its ok. and yeah....

JoSh242 wrote:

well i know wht ya been saying about how it is theri "responsabiloity" and their "fault" and they should keep the baby. Well i disagree. Children should be a gift not a punishment.



i wish it were always like that. but teenagers are selfish mainly. and anything that hinders their happieness is bad and they need to fault something or someone b/c they need to feel better about themselves.
not to say that this is always the case so dont quote me on that.
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Why do people say they are glad there is no mud slinging and then continue the crazy religious banter?

I'm catholic and sane all at once. I don't believe in abortion, but as I have said, my views are not the views and beliefs of others. Everyone has the right to make their own decision, that is why I am pro choice. Please stop calling people lunitics for faith. If they are a moron that spew ill thought out (if at all) garbage then go for it, but religion is not justification enough.

Also, there are more cases than planned sex that cause pregnancy. Rape is a matter that was mentioned. Some people suffer conditions that are life threatening if pregnant. A woman I know was on a drug that she needed to survive. She became pregnant but that drug caused the baby to have no face or spine. I'm simply telling you these stories so we can think of it in everyone's cases, not just the horny teens.
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