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^its ok. and yeah....

JoSh242 wrote:

well i know wht ya been saying about how it is theri "responsabiloity" and their "fault" and they should keep the baby. Well i disagree. Children should be a gift not a punishment.



i wish it were always like that. but teenagers are selfish mainly. and anything that hinders their happieness is bad and they need to fault something or someone b/c they need to feel better about themselves.
not to say that this is always the case so dont quote me on that.
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Why do people say they are glad there is no mud slinging and then continue the crazy religious banter?

I'm catholic and sane all at once. I don't believe in abortion, but as I have said, my views are not the views and beliefs of others. Everyone has the right to make their own decision, that is why I am pro choice. Please stop calling people lunitics for faith. If they are a moron that spew ill thought out (if at all) garbage then go for it, but religion is not justification enough.

Also, there are more cases than planned sex that cause pregnancy. Rape is a matter that was mentioned. Some people suffer conditions that are life threatening if pregnant. A woman I know was on a drug that she needed to survive. She became pregnant but that drug caused the baby to have no face or spine. I'm simply telling you these stories so we can think of it in everyone's cases, not just the horny teens.
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digs wrote:

But childrens lives should not be devalued. they should have the same right to life just like everyone else. So what if they are dependant on a mother. Some people are depandent on nurses or medecine. Does that mean that its OK to kill them too?


were devalued the day were born. Having to compete against people work to get the best marks and being marked down. People are devalued in some way

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26 / M / Portsmouth VA
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Actually all you have to do is answer one question.

Will you take care of every unwanted child in the world? No? Then butt out!
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If I had the capability to, then yes. I already plan to adopt when I'm older. What kind of a question is that?
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27 / M / Sask-at-chew-an,...
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digs wrote:

Life begins at conception. Once the sperm and egg meet then they are a human life. Abortion is wrong on soooo many levels.


It may be a life but its not a human life. Its a zygoat (I think I maybe wrong). Also they have a limit on when you can get an abortion I've never looked it up but I beleive its 8 weeks. I don't care about anyones oppinions on this as long as they arent the type of people who sit out side clinics with signs yelling at people that walk in. My oppinion is that abortion is about equal to running over an animal. Its not life condemning but its not excactly nice. Still I'm not going to hate anyone that does it.

That may have been a bad comparision but oh well.
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33 / F / East Bay California
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digs wrote:

they can put the child up for adoption. Just because they might not love the child doesn't justify killing it.

Rape is wrong, but its not the babies fault that she got pregnant. The woman should go along with the pregnancy and put the child up for adoption if she wan't to. 2 wrongs don't make a right.


It isn't really a question of loving the child or not...it's more of a question of is it right to force a rape victim to undertake the emotional, physical, not to mention the financial strains of carrying a baby to term. I don't see any local churches doleing out the money to pay for all the costly prenatal visits to rape victims...nope they're too busy paying kinkos to print of those lovely little leaflets that they throw at you when you go to planned parenthood.

A fetus...well basically it siphons off nutrients from the mother's body in order to grow up big and strong...well you know what that actually sounds like...parasite: 1. one depending on another and not making adequate return. 2. a plant or animal living in, with, or on another organism...usually to the other's harm. I don't see a bunch of people lined up to fight for the right to life of a tapeworm.

Look, in my opinion, life begins when a person becomes self aware. While, the reproductive cells are splitting and dividing, there is no awareness of self. It's just a small collection of tissue.
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azrael910 wrote:


And I truly believe that people are genetically predisposed to certain behaviors. .



news flash, recent research about genetics says that genes has nothing to do with peoples behaviours, that perception is totally untrue. ill post the links for this later.
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^ yeah I think you are wrong on that one azrael
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26 / M / vegass
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doeasnt that tie in with the belief that gayness is in the gene
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27 / M / US
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I don't know enough to comment in depth, but here is what the author of an article I read recently had to say:

"The unsurprising result was that genes matter. Since the 1970s, behavioural geneticists have measured many different human characteristics in many ways. They've looked at personality traits such as extroversion, conscientiousness and aggressiveness. They've looked at mental disorders, intelligence and aspects of people's life histories (such as careers). In virtually every case, the results were the same. About half the variation in the measured characteristic—the differences from one person to another—could be attributed to differences in their genes."

"But some children are more aggressive, or more impulsive, or more conscientious than others wherever they go. Researchers have found that when children display the same characteristics in a variety of settings, it is usually because of genetic influences."

read the whole article though: http://www.prospect-magazine.co.uk/article_details.php?id=9275
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25 / F / Soon to be SCAD
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That goes back to the nurture vs nature arguement, I think that will be better argued in a different room.
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32 / M / 中国
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mauz15 wrote:

^ yeah I think you are wrong on that one azrael


I based that argument off of my personal observations of adopted kids in several situations (3 different isolated examples). They were raised in great environments, yet still sought out white trash lives. I've seen it happen several times. I also stated it was a belief, not a fact since there is no real "hard data" to back it up.


starcrossed23 wrote:

here's a new solution...why don't we all just do like Jonathon Swift said in his Modest Proposal?


Baby... the other other white meat.
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27 / M / US
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starcrossed23 wrote:

here's a new solution...why don't we all just do like Jonathon Swift said in his Modest Proposal?


1. we are not in a state of famine, and neither was he for that matter when he wrote that.
2. birthing is painful
3.There is not a market for babies for a variety of reasons, the most important probably...
4. people don't want to eat babies, who would have thunk it.
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Abortion is
1. a NO-NO to baby makers.
2. a YES-YES to unprepared teens. o_O
3. a SO-SO to old maidens.
4. a dream to gays
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