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Post Reply Who's Death was the Most Necessary and Least Necessary?
Posted 9/17/11
99% of the cast.

Using Shirley as a plot device to tie up the loose end of the Geass cult was sloppy writing, using Rolo was another plot device as to make sense of Lelouch's escape was unnecessary even if some of the fans demanded it.

But the most unnecessary death had to be Lelouch. Why did they set him up? so they could him a martyrdom, something meaningful. It backfired as the zero Requiem was a juxtaposition of what they wanted. It was nonsensical because it was a flimsy peace at best, and it relied on people that formerly betrayed him to keep the peace.

He wanted to die, and honestly I don't see how he wanted to die. It would've been in character for him to pass the despair event horizon and come to the conclusion he had to create a world Nunnally would be proud of, not run Britannia into the ground, ruin million of lives, and set himself up as a despicable man. Taniguchi swears it was his pride that was his downfall. No, his downfall was particularly rushed writing. You know you could've went back on your words and made a third season, right? Without killing Shirley, Rolo, or Lelouch. And if it did and absolutely had to involve them dying, you could've made it in a much more.... believable manner.

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Posted 2/1/12 , edited 2/1/12
Most Necessary: Lelouch's death. Lelouch tards are even worse than Narutards
Least Necessary: Shirley's

Lelouch should have died in episode 22 but lelouch tards trolol them to kill Euphemia instead

Everyone talks about narutards and brolytards but what about lelouch tards?
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Posted 2/24/12
Everyone of the character's deaths were all neccesary. Lelouch wanted to die so he could atone for the sins he committed. Shirley died so that Lelouch could gain hatred for Rolo and also start his plan to go after the order. Euphemia's death was mentioned in R2 so much, and it was Suzaku's driving force. It also showed Lelouch's descent into evil, how he was prepared to do what he needed to do in order for peace. Those three seem to be the most disputed deaths, but if you look at it, the show was written beautifully and any other way would mess up the flow and how Lelouch's character was developed, as well as Suzaku's and many others.
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Posted 3/19/12 , edited 3/19/12
"What is up with you and your fetish for Euphemia? I accept the fact that she was indeed the only character in the whole show with the most simple and peaceful solution to all the problems. But, Lelouch killed her, and that is how the producers decided the show will go."

Euphemia was not just the most good person in the show, she was the only person in the show good enough to be liked by me. She was the only person ever shown to be good enough to not be evil. And the producers did not bother to replace her with any other characters who were good enough to not be evil. After her death the show became a pointless and meaningless struggle between different groups of evil characters.

"The biggest reason why I find all of your arguments completely invalid is that you didn't finish the series. Lelouch clearly regrets and feels remorse at Euphemia's tragedy. If you fail to find any reason for Lelouch's action, then think of it as just that: a bad decision. Lelouch, despite being a genius, is not perfect. He also has emotions. You claim Lelouch has no desire to do any good. That is wrong. In the end, he does the greatest good of all. The means with which he achieved it were evil, the giant irony that envelops the whole show. "

I don't have to watch the second season for my arguments to be valid. In episode 23 I saw Lelouch express slight regret for his totally senseless murder of Euphemia. So what? In Oliver Twist one of the main characters murders another main character. And most of the next chapter shows the murderer falling to peaces and wandering around aimlessly, haunted by visions of the crime. This character has much greater remorse than Lelouch. But that does not make the character any less guilty of a terrible and needless murder.

Many real life killers have reportedly been haunted by guilt and remorse over their crimes. In 1950 a unit of the Seventh US Cavalry at No Gun Ri under Captain Melbourne Chandler allegedly shot a lot of Korean refugees for fear that North Korean infiltrators might be among them. The author of one website discussing that incident claims that after leaving the army Chandler drank himself to death, and certainly many men have done so after such incidents. But that does not reduce their guilt for any crimes which they may have committed.

I say that if Lelouch had a desire to do whatever good he could do, and to avoid doing totally unnecessary and senseless acts of evil, he would never have killed Euphemia so pointlessly and needlessly. Thus I find it hard to believe that he had ANY desire at all to do good, despite the fact that it is scientifically almost impossible for a human to not have at least a tiny little desire to do good. So despite my slightly exaggerated claims I have to admit that Lelouch probably had about as much (or little) desire to do good as Genghis Khan, or Hitler, or Tamerlane, or Stalin, or Chairman Mao, who between them needlessly murdered about fifty to one hundred million helpless victims, not counting tens of millions of other deaths they caused which don't qualify as murders.

And by the good you claim that Lelouch did I suppose you mean that by making himself so hated he brought peace and good feeling to the world. But such a peace would last just a short time since Lelouch permitted the underlying cause of war, independent national governments, to continue. So this was all part of a scam to get as big a reputation as possible by having one identity, Evil Emperor Lelouch, be known as the most evil and bad ass teenage tyrant in history, and his other identity, Zero the hero, the brave and noble freedom fighter and rebel, get the credit for a brief period of peace and the slaying of the Evil Emperor Lelouch.

And how did Lelouch get the Evil Emperor Lelouch so hated that it might have caused a few months of peace? I have read that Lelouch never learned how to go on TV and geass command everyone in the world to obey him, so he must have used ordinary methods to make Evil Emperor Lelouch hated by everyone.

There were not even brief periods of peace caused by joy at the deaths of Genghis Khan, Tamerlane, Hitler, Stalin, or Mao, so I can only guess that Lelouch must have murdered tens or hundreds of times as many people as any of them to get Evil Emperor Lelouch hated universally.
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Posted 3/20/12
everyone that says euphemia's death was necessary is a lelouch wanker
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Posted 3/20/12
and if euphemia killed lelouch, there will be no retards that think lelouch can beat goku
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Posted 3/30/12
You do remember Lelouch accidentaly cast the geass on Euphy. He said he was going to work with her on the Zone thing. He had to kill her after he cast it because she killed so many japanese people. I think you're missing the point that it was an accident.
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Posted 4/6/12 , edited 4/6/12

Mr_McLiggins wrote:

You do remember Lelouch accidentaly cast the geass on Euphy. He said he was going to work with her on the Zone thing. He had to kill her after he cast it because she killed so many japanese people. I think you're missing the point that it was an accident.
if euphemia killed lelouch, the world would be better

there will be less lelouch fantards

well you see, it kinda gets annoying when lelouch retards say stuff like:

1) lelouch can solo dbz

2) lelouch is physically stronger than euphemia

3) lelouch can beat goku

4) lelouch can control the world
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Posted 4/6/12
Lelouch did control the world, and I don't care for comparing it to DBZ, two different animes
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