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THE BIG BANG...
Posted 5/2/09
The world is so big I doubt anyone will ever know how it was created~ cause they weren't there
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deadspirit01 wrote:

ive jst been thinking lately about THE BIG BANG ....

i mean ok it was jus a theory rite?.....
so then they tested it out .....
they tried to show ppl that there was a big bang
..... but wasnt that like teaching ur own opinion about somethin random to ppl out there ...?????


The evidence is essentially like this. In the 1960s a couple of physicists working for Belle Telephone Company discovered a strange heat wave radiating from outer-space and interfering with their signals. They weren’t entirely sure what it was but their discovery lead to a mass-scale investigation of the scientific community. As it turns out, this blanket of heat covers the entire observable universe. Now, to call it heat is actually confusing-because, it’s incredibly cold. It’s only between 3 and 4 degrees above absolute zero-but it’s there, stimulating atomic activity never the less.


This was the first staple of evidence for the Big Bang Theory-but it goes deeper. We were able to use this heat to work backwords. We have a formula that tells us how quickly heat cools in an expanding vacuum such as space. By doing this we can actually search to find out how hot the universe would've been at any given micro-epoch of existence. So, they did.

What they discovered was that within the first fraction of a second of existence the heat produced by the big bang would’ve been billions of billions of degrees. That’s hot enough to create what we call nuclear fusion-not to be confused with nuclear fission. Nuclear fission involves splitting a hydrogen atom to create a massive explosion. Nuclear fusion is immensely more powerful.

It involves forcing four hydrogen atoms to fuse-forming one helium atom. (It takes place in our sun and other stars, the sun of course is an average star.) So, if the big bang did happen then hydrogen would form into helium at the ratio of 4-1. Interestingly enough, we’ve observed that throughout the universe hydrogen and helium are in fact A) The most abundant elements and B ) Dispersed in a uniform ratio of roughly 1-4 throughout the observable universe.

In other words, the big bang theory would explain why our universe is ordered exactly as it is. It would also explain how the universe could exist without divine intervention (though I haven’t covered why yet,) and it would explain why our universe is baptized in heat at the exact temperature of the heat blanket covering the universe. It would also explain why the universe has not yet met the thermodynamic equilibrium.

You see, Socrates, Augustine, and other early cosmologists thought that the universe was eternally old. They thought that it had always existed. However, we later discovered the first and second law of thermodynamics. The second law tells us that the universe’s energy is being constantly and consistently converted into entropy. Whenever all the universe’s energy has been converted we run into the thermodynamic equilibrium in which no life can exist and nothing can change. This will probably be what we call the “big crunch,” but that’s for another time.

So, the Big Bang is immensely likely-but not logically proven. Another possibility is the stead-state theory of Herman Bondi, Thomas Gold, and Fred Hoyle which suggests and ongoing series of ‘min-bangs,’ consistently producing more matter and paying for the creation with negative energy from the system. However, there’s no tangible evidence for this theory so we default back to the Big Bang.

Read Paul Davies "God and the New Physics," or Steven Hawking's "A Brief History of Time."
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The world is here now, who gives a shit about how it started? :I
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A very good book to read on this topic is called Fabric of the Cosmos by I think Brian Greene. I read it for fun.... yah I was really interested in Quantum Mechanics for awhile. It goes over the big bang, history of physics, and dives into quantum mechanics and string theory. It even has chapters on time travel; limited but interesting none the less. It tries not to be too deep into the subjects that you're totally lost, but gives you a good understanding on the basics. Though if you didnt understand physics too well in HS you may want to pass.

BTW Gravity is an interesting topic. You're everyday experiences tell you that it exists. The planets tell you that it exist. General relativity tells you that exists. But the particles (they like to call them gravitons) that govern it haven't yet been detected.

Ahh Yes I forgot one important point,THIS IS BIG, about the big bang theory (model); it does not attempt to and can not explain the initial conditions before the instant it occurred; this is why some say the big bang theory can peacefully coexist with religion.
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Posted 5/3/09
uhmmm..... yes?
there is an end and a new beginning in the world..
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Ahh Yes I forgot one important point,THIS IS BIG, about the big bang theory (model); it does not attempt to and can not explain the initial conditions before the instant it occurred; this is why some say the big bang theory can peacefully coexist with religion.


Well, the big bang describes the formulation of space and time from a singularity-and a singularity is not a thing, it’s the border of a thing. So, basically we’re looking at the beginning of the universe-but, while it can co-exist with religion it can also be used to attack religion because the mechanics of the big-bang shows us that the casual argument (in its original form,) is…wrong.
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deadspirit01 wrote:
i mean ok it was jus a theory rite?.....


just a theory? do you know what a scientific theory is? a scientific theory is an explanation that is well supported with substantial amounts of observations and experimental evidence. you can't dismiss something as big as the big bang as "just a theory". maybe you can dismiss ridiculous theories like spontaneous generation, but a well established theory in the scientific community today like the big bang or the theory of evolution exists from the groundwork of hundreds, even thousands of different scientists over the course of many years. some of these scientists dedicated most of their lives to work on these theories. the amount of evidence supporting the big bang theory is staggering. if you have a better theory, then i think the scientific community would certainly want to know.
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Load of tosh
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sarahD413 wrote:
Load of tosh

OH GOSH. LET'S REJECT MAINSTREAM SCIENCE! THAT'S REAL SMART!
Why don't you go believing the world is flat while you're at it.
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nuk3zord wrote:

A very good book to read on this topic is called Fabric of the Cosmos by I think Brian Greene. I read it for fun.... yah I was really interested in Quantum Mechanics for awhile. It goes over the big bang, history of physics, and dives into quantum mechanics and string theory. It even has chapters on time travel; limited but interesting none the less. It tries not to be too deep into the subjects that you're totally lost, but gives you a good understanding on the basics. Though if you didnt understand physics too well in HS you may want to pass.

BTW Gravity is an interesting topic. You're everyday experiences tell you that it exists. The planets tell you that it exist. General relativity tells you that exists. But the particles (they like to call them gravitons) that govern it haven't yet been detected.

Ahh Yes I forgot one important point,THIS IS BIG, about the big bang theory (model); it does not attempt to and can not explain the initial conditions before the instant it occurred; this is why some say the big bang theory can peacefully coexist with religion.


Factoring gravitons into QM is a bitch, because you get infinites in either direction or zeroes, and we definitely know that it's neither. QM had loads of problems such as the constant redefinition of parts to fix the Standard Model, etc. That's why it's not accepted as the universal theory of everything.
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sarahD413 wrote:
Load of tosh

OH GOSH. LET'S REJECT MAINSTREAM SCIENCE! THAT'S REAL SMART!
Why don't you go believing the world is flat while you're at it.


I would believe that the world is flat dear, but as we all know, its not. :D
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sarahD413 wrote:
I would believe that the world is flat dear, but as we all know, its not. :D

And as we all know, the Big Bang is real.
But apparently there are some people too fucktarded to believe or understand science outside of their understand.
I'm sorry you're too stupid to understand science. Religion does that to people.
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Posted 5/4/09
A scientific theory is not the same as theory in the layman's sense. You should have learned this in middle school.
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The Big Bang is naturalistic propaganda... there are SO MANY problems and holes within it. Some scientists genuinely study it for scientific value, but many also use it to push the naturalistic philosophical view and disregard anyone who disagrees with it as a ignorant religious moron... Scientists are some of the most prejudice people on earth. I personally do not believe in the Big Bang and I am highly skeptical of the theory for scientific reasons/ http://bigbangneverhappened.org/
http://creation.com/astronomy-and-astrophysics-questions-and-answers
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The Big Bang is naturalistic propaganda... there are SO MANY problems and holes within it. Some scientists genuinely study it for scientific value, but many also use it to push the naturalistic philosophical view and disregard anyone who disagrees with it as a ignorant religious moron... Scientists are some of the most prejudice people on earth. I personally do not believe in the Big Bang and I am highly skeptical of the theory for scientific reasons/ http://bigbangneverhappened.org/
http://creation.com/astronomy-and-astrophysics-questions-and-answers


WHy is it everytime I look at any of your postings there from Bad sources from people who don't even know anything about the topics there attacking?

Look for and check out the sources for your Source you might see why I always point out why your sourses are no good before you post them, then you save us a lot of time going over this crap every time. Not trying to be an ass this time, I am just pointing out that your sources are bad, and you can see that for your self if you took a look at them for there sources.

You might wanna use a real scientest as well, and Not just some Holy bible thumper with no education in what there attacking.





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