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Post Reply Is Life more meaningful when you believe that God exists?
Posted 9/29/09 , edited 9/29/09
living life with god gives you hope and optimism
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Posted 9/30/09
Why should life become more meaningful, with the knowledge of there being a heaven? There is a certain relief, that lies in the knowledge that you'll cease to be at the end of the life.


Then again, one could ask, what really is heaven?


Yes, what really is heaven? Will you really be yourself when you end up in heaven? Will you lose your ego, and thus yourself when you enter heaven? Will you become just another life force, that is floating around there, being reshaped into something else? After all, you won't be in possession of your material body any more.

Unless of course, heaven is a material place. Which I find kind of hard to believe. Well, harder than the existence of a god. (Though, I do not reject the possibility of there being one, or several gods in existence.)

For me, life is meaningful because of the little things. Not the big things. It is not the end that matters, it is the journey. Enjoy life as much as you can, and love as much as you can.

To be so focused on the after life, and making yourself worthy of "God", seems just like something a fearful child would do, to please its parent.

What if God's lesson was, to simply grow, experience and enjoy life?
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life is how we make it, and it will always will. God has nothing to do with how you manage your life on earth.
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op great point!!
Posted 7/9/12
Not everyone would agree with the topic title. I know several people who have led such experienced lives (positive and negative experiences) as atheists.

There's this whole argument as to whether God even exists but its all up to the individual at the end of the day as to whether they are willing to believe that life is made better (or meaningful, in context) with a God.
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I was rather devout for a while when I was younger. I attended morning mass, donated money, observed the holidays religiously, you know, the works.

But back then, I was so fearful. That doing this and that would make some God frown down on me and I would be condemned to a hell after life and so on. Not only that, but I felt that my endless curiosity was given boundaries because of the fears and rules that the religion has implanted in me. For instance, the Index.

However, during my latter teenage years, I developed a strong interest in science. Particularly physics and biology. Well those two subjects pretty much refuted the idea of a God. Ever since, I've become so liberal and I've learned things that I could not possibly have learned if I stayed devoted to religion. Needless to say, I have lived a very "meaningful" life, gaining friends, going on crazy-ass adventures that involved a lot of chasing and jumping scaffoldings, learning different languages, traveling, seeing from the eyes of the poor and getting accepted into a world-recognized university. All without the assistance of religion.

For someone like me, an autodidact, who pursues knowledge like it is essential for survival, I had to discard religion. Religion is not for everyone.
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Posted 7/11/12 , edited 7/11/12
What's the point of living if we're all going to die someday, and the point of course is because we are all going to die someday. I don't need god to be there and give me an afterlife to cheat death with. I need that darkness to be there at the end of my life to urge me everyday to do something meaningful with my life now.
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excalion wrote:

What's the point of living if we're all going to die someday, and the point of course is because we are all going to die someday. I don't need god to be there and give me an afterlife to cheat death with. I need that darkness to be there at the end of my life to urge me everyday to do something meaningful with my life now.


Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Living and dying are binary opposites. To have one, they must have the other. No one should be afraid of it. Religion makes you afraid of an after-life so that they may control a population easily during life. It's all about management, really.
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All life has purpose even without the belief in a god. If you look at other animals, they don't even have the intellect to consider a god, yet their life still has purpose. All animals have purpose embedded in them, and for humans, as a social based animal, we find purpose through other people.

This is why living in complete solitude makes people go crazy. When you interact with others, make friends, fall in love, have children, and feel the urge to protect them, this drives you to continue living, and honestly is all the purpose most people really need. Best of all, these things are all instinctual, so as long as there are others around you, you will continue to find meaning somewhere in your life.
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let the fools have there dreams I"ll stay right here.

My life is meaning full because of the memories that I pass on.

My life is meaning full when I make my parents or friends smile with one of my rants.

My life is meaning full when i take my dog for a walk and get to see how happy she is.

My life is meaning full because things change If I lived for ever I would eventually go insane.

Heaven is a foolish dream.
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Posted 8/25/12
Life is inherently meaningless.
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Posted 8/29/12 , edited 8/29/12
When your on Earth, it's just one big test. After that depending on what you have done... Depends on what you come back as.

As for me, I know who I was in a previous life... As the picture represents who I am. Also I have the mark of Ra on my forehead and the birthmark of Capricorn, or rather the goat.
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I do agree that a belief in a higher power *can* make life more meaningful. But I do not believe in a higher power.

Please don't misunderstand my lack of belief. Though I will not assert that there is a higher power, I have no reason to deny its possibility. From my perspective, it seems that if one does exist, it keeps itself invisible from us humans. I do not actively believe, because the world I see in my eyes is not a world that exists because of a higher power, or exists under the dominion of a higher power. But, I don't actively disbelieve, either, because the world that I see does not in my opinion disprove the possibility of beings like gods.

Now, back to the subject at hand - I do think that active belief in a higher power produces a more meaningful life.

meaning of a life without a god:
* survival
* reproduction
* pursuit of personal passions & goals
* hedonism
* protecting that which is dependent upon you

meaning of life with a god:
* all of above
and,
* serving the creator and/or lord of the universe, becoming close to his grand cosmic schemes and destiny, etc
* achieving eternal life in heaven by your piousness and good deeds in this mortal life

I would say that life with a god can be quite more grand than life without. It transcends reason and all that is material.

But, what if "meaning" is not actually necessary for a happy or fulfilling life? Or, maybe to phrase that better, what if you don't need to "maximize" your life's meaning, but instead you can live a life that is meaningful to a limited point, and that is enough for happiness and fulfillment? A man could be the ruler of a nation and another man could be a humble farmer supporting one small family and community. Who has the more meaningful life? Try to look at it not objectively, but from the subjective and personal experience of each of these 2 men, individually. The farmer could die happy, knowing he did well for his family and neighbors. Is that not "enough" meaning in life?

What I'm trying to say, is what meaning is necessary? What amount of meaning does a person need, to feel that their life "had meaning?" Can there be no meaning in a life without godliness? I don't think so - life without god can be meaningful. Could a life with god be more meaningful? Quite potentially, It probably could.

Is every life without god less meaningful than those with god? Is every life with god more meaningful? I don't think that's correct.

Me personally, I am a hedonist atheist, living to please myself and my friends. I pursue my hobbies and work for my material wealth. The only thing like a higher power that I believe in is "the Way" as described in the Tao Te Ching. I believe that it is "there," but I am not yet a person who can follow it.

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There are a great many people who find meaning in the pursuit of the divine. Regardless of what they might call it, they find solace, comfort, and the will to exist in the world around them. This, I believe, is not actually because of the divine entity they strive to reach out to and commune with but rather a result of their ardent wish to be connected to something other than themselves. It is something akin to auto-hypnosis, and while it doesn't work for everyone, those that it does work on seem to benefit from it.

The thing of it is, there are just as many people who have never reached out to the divine, or who have and have been left wanting that can continue on without such a thing in their lives and be completely happy. I'm one of those people who has delved into many forms of divinity and have found them all to be somewhat lacking in one respect or another. Is my life less fruitful because I see no divine spark driving events? I can't say it is. Am I more miserable than someone who has some deep rooted belief in a power greater than themselves? Not in the least, as I know plenty of people who believe in something and who are also incredibly miserable with their lives.

Finding meaning in one's life is something an individual must do. Finding purpose, seeking acceptance, obtaining fulfillment; these are things that you must seek for yourself... they will not be given to you. A poem I found when I was... maybe 14 years old illustrates this point perfectly.

A man said to the Universe, "Sir, I exist."
"However, " the Universe replied, "That fact has not created within me a sense of obligation."

If you can not find fulfillment and purpose and meaning in your own life, nothing divine or otherwise can or has any obligation to you to provide it. If you can't find happiness and contentment on your own, no one else will come along and hand it to you. That is the cruel reality that people sometimes refuse to accept. Once you're given the gift of life, it is your responsibility, and yours alone, to make of that life what you will. No divine intervention has been promised, no aid has been pledged to you. It is up to you to seize the day or fall into oblivion on your own merits and by your own will.
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Posted 9/7/12 , edited 9/10/12

le_ciel wrote:

How exactly does the prospect of going to heaven after you die put more meaning into your life?

Life is about living, not about fantasizing about some kind of afterlife.

What's more meaningful, thinking you'll live only once and therefore live to the fullest? Or live looking forward to what you believe will be after your death?


Agreed.

Being able to contribute something, however small or big it is, to the world for future generations to use or experience is what gives me purpose. What is the point of life if not to live it?
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