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Posted 3/6/13

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it is possible for someone to be deeply spiritual without actually believing in god. or a god.
Yes very much so. Spirituality is about the sense of an intangible energy force that exists within individuals and perhaps other living things (and sometimes non-living things), depending on your mode of spirituality you believe in. A belief in the supernatural or some type of unexplainable phenomenon besides what is evident with logic and science does not depend on the existence of a god.

I'm an atheist but I'm also slightly spiritual myself in that if I did believe there were a sort of supernatural force out there it would most likely resemble the shamanistic brand of spirituality. That makes much more sense to me than the idea of a sky daddy watching over you and his followers trying to get you to give your life to him or you'll spend eternity in hell. That just totally reeks of biggest scam ever thought up by man.

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Posted 3/7/13 , edited 3/7/13
sorry i hope my comment was taken as a statement rather than a question. i believe in god ( i do not practice a religion of any form, nor do i go to church) but have not yet explored my "relationship with god," as most christians put it. spirituality is a lifelong study so i'm in no hurry. i do believe, however, i am spiritual in a non god-related way. i am also married to an agnostic, and religion/spirituality was and never will be an issue in our relationship. i would say my husband isn't even spiritual in any sense but being spiritual would only be for his benefit, so as long as it's working for him i don't see why i should have a problem. life is good =]
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Personally, I hover between Agnostic and flat out Atheist. I was raised Lutheran, stopped being Lutheran around the age of 12.

Does that make my entire existence meaningless? Well... What does meaning mean? If one is part of a religion where god(s) have planned everything out, given meaning and purpose to everything, then yes, in their eyes a world with god(s) is more meaningful. However, for me life gets it meaning by the smallness and finite amount of time we have. We, as individuals, must create the meaning. Whether that be in laughs had or lives touched.

Since there is no singular definition for "meaning" in this situation there isn't much of a way to discuss this. One can merely state their stance on it. And for me, that means we are all insignificant specs of dust in the grand scheme of things, but since we are beings with such a small scope, than yes, we can have huge amounts of meaning in our lives. Life's like a fire, the brighter and hotter it burns, the shorter it lasts. And us humans? Well, we hardly last for anytime at all. Maybe that means we have infinite amounts of meaning then. Or maybe it means nothing at all. (Probably the latter... Life isn't actually that poetic)
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Life is fulfilled both with God or without God. If God doesn't exist in one's mind, one finds it another way.
We need fire to survive. The people before fire was discovered survived without it.
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Personally I dot see a point in believing in a god or life after death. You only live once. Really. Why do you cry when someone dies? Because you believe they won't come back and that you will never see them again. Granted something can occur after life. Like the soul moving on. Bit I don't believe in a heaven or hell.

Also...a belief in god is to make a person feel better about life. Ad to understand why we are here. but really no one will know why
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No, less meaningful.
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I think it adds meaning because it gives you a sense of purpose...not that you can't have one without a deity, but what i believe is a more meaningful purpose. I'm a Christian, but my belief isn't that all people go to heaven, but after armageddon, some righteous & unrighteous will live on a paradise earth, and others in heaven. So for my particular religion, my hope is that after armageddon, I can live a life without sickness, death, wars, famine, pestilences, natural disaster, etc and also everlasting life. LOL but to get into all that would take forever...

but anyway, with that goal in mind, I feel like i have something to live for. If I didn't, i'd feel like my life would be meaningless, and if not meaningless, a whole lot less meaningful/wholesome. I mean, I can have a happy life, generally, but so much can happen. Death (not just of me, my family, friends, neighbors) war, corruption, injustice, etc. And people are getting worse everyday. It's like, "What kind of world is this?"

And for me to have a daughter that grows up in the same world, without any clear, for sure hope that anything will get better or become solved? Terrible, just terrible. That's just my thinking though...
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I consider my life more meaningful because of my lack of belief in some benevolent, all controlling deity. My life is unique and special, mine to use and expend as I see fit and at the end of the day there's no consequences beyond what I set for myself. I choose to do what's right and follow my own mind and ultimately i'm the only one who will feel any real effects of my existence. When I first came to this conclusion, that there's no real meaning to anything, it was like a weight had been lifted from my shoulders. It was like I realized, "My name is Theodora Vincent, I carve my own path and set my own rules." and that has always been all the meaning I needed to lead a good life. Maybe i'll leave the world a better place when I do eventually die, maybe I won't, but i'll know I did what I felt was right and that's good enough for me.
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I wouldn't think my life would be any less meaningful if a god didn't exist. I still exist. that's pretty meaningful.

Silly question.
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I think believing in God can make your life seem more meaningful because it gives you much more clear purpose and context for life. However, whether your life is actually meaningful in that context is wholly contingent on the existence of God, which is problematic if God doesn't in fact exist.

I'm taking this question literally, of course --- I see "meaningful" to basically translate to "having meaning" or a purpose to life. As an agnostic, I don't necessarily live my life feeling as though I have a meaning or purpose, though I do figure that so long as life keeps on trucking into the future, some form of a meaning or explanation may eventually be understood.
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The existence of god(s) or non-existence of god(s) is equal. A good thought exercise to think about is if you are a Christian or whatever is to think about the Ancient Greeks. They, the Ancient Greeks, thought their gods existed. Do you believe they existed? Why? How can you prove it? What facts prove your point? An atheist would come to the same conclusion as a believer, which the answer to the exercise of there being a god(s) is unknown. Humans don't like the unknown, so they like to explain it. Some people feel okay without their being a god(s) and some feel comfortable if there is a god(s).


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Posted 4/17/13
For people who have nothing to live for, I guess yeah.
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Yes of course, A life lived for pleasure is no pleasure at all, so religion has its benefits.
As far as an explanation goes to why there is a god I will point to science.

Firstly the law of conservation of energy states that no energy is lost or gained, however some energy will always move to its least useful form. so assuming we have a finite amount of energy the universe and all inside it can only exist for a finite amount of time. In other words the energy that would be required to produce the big bang, couldn't exist ironically without someone to provide it.

Secondly biology. It is technically impossible for a first cell to start to exist given oxygen is in the area, because it would interfere with the processes needed to form chemicals cells are made of. However, given no oxygen means given nothing to breathe so if by some miracle of life it could come to life it would die instantly.
As for macro biology, I only really need to point to a few things to show that evolution is impossible. 1 that eyes are so incredibly complex, even the simple ones. There is simply no way to start off having a partially developed eye and in millions of years have a working one. 2. Blood clotting. you can't live without it , even without one step a cut would kill you. Blood clotting contains one hundred twenty steps. evolution only accounts for one step upward and even that has never been witnessed. the theory was made when they barely knew anything about micro biology ,and the theory was even based on spontaneous generation.

So as a man of science, I can only fathom believing in religion.
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Yes of course, A life lived for pleasure is no pleasure at all, so religion has its benefits.
As far as an explanation goes to why there is a god I will point to science.

Firstly the law of conservation of energy states that no energy is lost or gained, however some energy will always move to its least useful form. so assuming we have a finite amount of energy the universe and all inside it can only exist for a finite amount of time. In other words the energy that would be required to produce the big bang, couldn't exist ironically without someone to provide it.

Secondly biology. It is technically impossible for a first cell to start to exist given oxygen is in the area, because it would interfere with the processes needed to form chemicals cells are made of. However, given no oxygen means given nothing to breathe so if by some miracle of life it could come to life it would die instantly.
As for macro biology, I only really need to point to a few things to show that evolution is impossible. 1 that eyes are so incredibly complex, even the simple ones. There is simply no way to start off having a partially developed eye and in millions of years have a working one. 2. Blood clotting. you can't live without it , even without one step a cut would kill you. Blood clotting contains one hundred twenty steps. evolution only accounts for one step upward and even that has never been witnessed. the theory was made when they barely knew anything about micro biology ,and the theory was even based on spontaneous generation.

So as a man of science, I can only fathom believing in religion.
The first part of your argument does not really support your argument as a whole, in fact if you think about it there is a contradiction between it and the second part. The first deals with the physics behind the origin of the universe, which doesn't explain whether evolution happened or not. Regardless the universe's origins can only be explained by 2 assumptions: the universe always existed OR God always existed. Not one single Christian on this planet can legitimately deny that either of those 2 assumptions are valid. Because denying one or the other can only mean that some absolute came before (ie something created God and/or something created the universe). Therefore even though you are a person of science, that position is incapable of explaining which of those two assumptions is true. You *MUST* go on belief in order to favor the [God always existed] assumption. An atheist such as myself, I lack this belief so I *MUST* go on the [universe always existed] (and not created by anything else) assumption.

Then what about the big bang you may ask. Whether or not the big bang occurred, time itself came into being at the instantaneous moment that energy and matter came into being. Therefore there was no "before" because of the non-existence of time at the moment of the universe coming into being. And therefore, the universe ALWAYS existed, there was no before.
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Posted 4/21/13

JustineKo2 wrote:

The first part of your argument does not really support your argument as a whole, in fact if you think about it there is a contradiction between it and the second part.


Why do you think I've been ignoring his posts?
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