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Post Reply Is Life more meaningful when you believe that God exists?
Posted 2/18/09

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I believe having a little faith in some higher being or digging into your spirituality to get through life is a good thing, but it can be only taken to a certain extent before it starts harming you and those around. I think balancing your faith (Whatever it may be), lifestyle and friendships will lead to a more fulfilling life and as for the end, only those before us know whats in store for those who pass on into the eternal slumber.


How could digging into your spirituality harm others? if you maybe a christian for example, and you dug in to your faith and doing what Jesus told you to do (love one another, etc) it won't harm anyone maybe it will even do the opposite to harm


Aren't suicide bombers motivated by religion or something? I know that's a little extreme, but it's the first thing I personally thought of. Since I feel that digging 'too deep' would have to be pretty extreme in itself to harm others, since it's not so much the religion it's the person (for the most part).
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What I'm trying to say is that non-believers appreciate their current lives more because they know it's all they have, in the same way that a kid who doesn't have many toys will take care of them better and appreciate them more. Believers would be more like kids who get tons of toys, they enjoy them but don't really appreciate them or take care of them as well as the other kid, because they know that they can always get more if they break or get lost or whatever.


thats not really true you know, if it was like that every believer in this would be an irresponsible being, but that's not what it is in reality, God told us to take care of what he has given us which is this life that we have right now and everything in it, we are thankful that God has given us this life that is why we don't waste it, for if we do we are ungrateful beings
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Posted 2/18/09 , edited 2/18/09

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-IRONMAN- wrote:


superninjaboy wrote:

I believe having a little faith in some higher being or digging into your spirituality to get through life is a good thing, but it can be only taken to a certain extent before it starts harming you and those around. I think balancing your faith (Whatever it may be), lifestyle and friendships will lead to a more fulfilling life and as for the end, only those before us know whats in store for those who pass on into the eternal slumber.


How could digging into your spirituality harm others? if you maybe a christian for example, and you dug in to your faith and doing what Jesus told you to do (love one another, etc) it won't harm anyone maybe it will even do the opposite to harm


Aren't suicide bombers motivated by religion or something? I know that's a little extreme, but it's the first thing I personally thought of. Since I feel that digging 'too deep' would have to be pretty extreme in itself to harm others, since it's not so much the religion it's the person (for the most part).


i don't understand how jihads think, but for me wasting the life that God has given us to kill others and ourselves is dumb and retarded.
Posted 2/18/09

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superninjaboy wrote:

I believe having a little faith in some higher being or digging into your spirituality to get through life is a good thing, but it can be only taken to a certain extent before it starts harming you and those around. I think balancing your faith (Whatever it may be), lifestyle and friendships will lead to a more fulfilling life and as for the end, only those before us know whats in store for those who pass on into the eternal slumber.


How could digging into your spirituality harm others? if you maybe a christian for example, and you dug in to your faith and doing what Jesus told you to do (love one another, etc) it won't harm anyone maybe it will even do the opposite to harm


I meant that if you take your faith and use it to harm others or cheat people with promises of eternal life and riches if you follow a certain set of rules and buy some "magic" holy water , is a little wrong in my books.
Posted 2/18/09

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cerisey wrote:


-IRONMAN- wrote:


superninjaboy wrote:

I believe having a little faith in some higher being or digging into your spirituality to get through life is a good thing, but it can be only taken to a certain extent before it starts harming you and those around. I think balancing your faith (Whatever it may be), lifestyle and friendships will lead to a more fulfilling life and as for the end, only those before us know whats in store for those who pass on into the eternal slumber.


How could digging into your spirituality harm others? if you maybe a christian for example, and you dug in to your faith and doing what Jesus told you to do (love one another, etc) it won't harm anyone maybe it will even do the opposite to harm


Aren't suicide bombers motivated by religion or something? I know that's a little extreme, but it's the first thing I personally thought of. Since I feel that digging 'too deep' would have to be pretty extreme in itself to harm others, since it's not so much the religion it's the person (for the most part).


i don't understand how jihads think, but for me wasting the life that God has given us to kill others and ourselves is dumb and retarded.


I know. That was my point. "How could digging into your spirituality harm others?"
Well in those extremes in does. Not so sure about christianity, modern day at least. I don't know much about history. But you asked how so I gave an obvious one ^^;
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Posted 2/18/09

superninjaboy wrote:


-IRONMAN- wrote:


superninjaboy wrote:

I believe having a little faith in some higher being or digging into your spirituality to get through life is a good thing, but it can be only taken to a certain extent before it starts harming you and those around. I think balancing your faith (Whatever it may be), lifestyle and friendships will lead to a more fulfilling life and as for the end, only those before us know whats in store for those who pass on into the eternal slumber.


How could digging into your spirituality harm others? if you maybe a christian for example, and you dug in to your faith and doing what Jesus told you to do (love one another, etc) it won't harm anyone maybe it will even do the opposite to harm


I meant that if you take your faith and use it to harm others or cheat people with promises of eternal life and riches if you follow a certain set of rules and buy some "magic" holy water , is a little wrong in my books.


holy water? magic? if I cheat people by saying that if you use holy water you would go to heaven i would've committed blasphemy, you can have eternal life by just simply believing that Jesus is the savior and nothing else
Posted 2/18/09

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superninjaboy wrote:


-IRONMAN- wrote:


superninjaboy wrote:

I believe having a little faith in some higher being or digging into your spirituality to get through life is a good thing, but it can be only taken to a certain extent before it starts harming you and those around. I think balancing your faith (Whatever it may be), lifestyle and friendships will lead to a more fulfilling life and as for the end, only those before us know whats in store for those who pass on into the eternal slumber.


How could digging into your spirituality harm others? if you maybe a christian for example, and you dug in to your faith and doing what Jesus told you to do (love one another, etc) it won't harm anyone maybe it will even do the opposite to harm


I meant that if you take your faith and use it to harm others or cheat people with promises of eternal life and riches if you follow a certain set of rules and buy some "magic" holy water , is a little wrong in my books.


holy water? magic? if I cheat people by saying that if you use holy water you would go to heaven i would've committed blasphemy, you can have eternal life by just simply believing that Jesus is the savior and nothing else


Well there are some who use that mumbo jumbo as a way to make money or dare I say start wars. I am not knocking the teachings of Jesus just saying if you use faith as a tool to incite hatred or fill your greedy pockets with ill earned cash you are evil.
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superninjaboy wrote:


-IRONMAN- wrote:


superninjaboy wrote:


-IRONMAN- wrote:


superninjaboy wrote:

I believe having a little faith in some higher being or digging into your spirituality to get through life is a good thing, but it can be only taken to a certain extent before it starts harming you and those around. I think balancing your faith (Whatever it may be), lifestyle and friendships will lead to a more fulfilling life and as for the end, only those before us know whats in store for those who pass on into the eternal slumber.


How could digging into your spirituality harm others? if you maybe a christian for example, and you dug in to your faith and doing what Jesus told you to do (love one another, etc) it won't harm anyone maybe it will even do the opposite to harm


I meant that if you take your faith and use it to harm others or cheat people with promises of eternal life and riches if you follow a certain set of rules and buy some "magic" holy water , is a little wrong in my books.


holy water? magic? if I cheat people by saying that if you use holy water you would go to heaven i would've committed blasphemy, you can have eternal life by just simply believing that Jesus is the savior and nothing else


Well there are some who use that mumbo jumbo as a way to make money or dare I say start wars. I am not knocking the teachings of Jesus just saying if you use faith as a tool to incite hatred or fill your greedy pockets with ill earned cash you are evil.


their just heretics who don't truly believe, they only claim to believe, because if you truly believe you wouldn't do such a thing
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I agree, I used to hate my parents for insisting that I should pray and read the Bible. But it's actually cool esp. the Proverbs, it says a lot of stuff that is still relevant today.

God is awesome, die haters lolz.
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Life IS meaningful with God. Without God, no kindness, no love..

For some non-believers there, they think God as the Greatest Theory. God's existence can't be proved but that theory explained what is good and bad. Without knowledge of that, imagine the world without knowing anything.
Posted 2/18/09

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Life IS meaningful with God. Without God, no kindness, no love..

For some non-believers there, they think God as the Greatest Theory. God's existence can't be proved but that theory explained what is good and bad. Without knowledge of that, imagine the world without knowing anything.


What? o.o I have kindness and love in my life without God.

The theory of God's existence didn't explain what is good and bad, they used God's existence and his 'word' to explain what they felt was good and bad, and what God probably felt was good and bad. However, Good and Bad can easily be different in a different persons views, which is why there are always arguments, and controversy surrounding certain topics.

I don't understand how the world wouldn't know anything if we couldn't figure out what was considered Good and Bad though, if that's what you meant (sorry, not completely sure what the last sentence means). We worked out how to hunt before christianity came about, that in itself is knowledge.
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Posted 2/18/09 , edited 2/18/09

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Life has no purpose if you don't believe that God exists. You live for a period of time and then what? You die, and after you die there is nothing, what is life without God? pointless its so stupid that if there was no God its better if we never did exist, we wouldn't need to suffer. But if there was a God its a different story, you die and you go to heaven (or hope to) which i think puts more meaning into life


The Christian ideology is strong within you, Young Padawan.

Okay, I'll cut the Yoda crap and go straight to the point. What defines "purpose"? For some reason, and I wouldn't doubt this is the religion's doing, you believe that a person cannot have purpose or reason without the existence of God. If you think this is true, I truly TRULY pity you for many reasons; reasons which are too long to list.

Have you ever heard of legacy? And I don't mean the romanticized version of "legacy"; legacy exists within people through social contact and the degree of impact differs based off of connection. For example, you and your best friend have a form of legacy between each other. In the case that one of you dies, the other will still remember and henceforth, your memory lives on. Of course, this is just a very social and friendly form of legacy. Legacy can also exist when a very influential teacher leaves behind his teaching to his pupils and as a result, the pupil's lives are changed, for the better or the worse, with the newly found perspective. Sure, maybe after a 3-5 decades or so, your entire memory will be forgotten, but what you teach and do for this world will still continue. (And for some reason, I don't think having millenniums worth of people in heaven will make you stand out either.)

I don't live with the intent of meeting God in heaven nor do I even believe in God, but yet I still have ambition to make an impact in the world. Are you going to try and convince me that my purpose is just a lie and that God is the only method to true purpose? In addition, I don't see much point in creating purpose with something that I don't even know to be certain. Based on what I do and the severity of my decisions in the future, I will make an impact (hopefully for the better) in this world; this is certain. Based on what I do and what religion I believe in, I may go to Heaven to live in eternal bliss (which I consider to be wasteful and stupid); this is not certain.

You don't need God to create meaning and purpose; you just think you need God to create meaning and purpose.
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Posted 2/18/09

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-IRONMAN- wrote:

Life has no purpose if you don't believe that God exists. You live for a period of time and then what? You die, and after you die there is nothing, what is life without God? pointless its so stupid that if there was no God its better if we never did exist, we wouldn't need to suffer. But if there was a God its a different story, you die and you go to heaven (or hope to) which i think puts more meaning into life


The Christian ideology is strong within you, Young Padawan.

Okay, I'll cut the Yoda crap and go straight to the point. What defines "purpose"? For some reason, and I wouldn't doubt this is the religion's doing, you believe that a person cannot have purpose or reason without the existence of God. If you think this is true, I truly TRULY pity you for many reasons; reasons which are too long to list.

Have you ever heard of legacy? And I don't mean the romanticized version of "legacy"; legacy exists within people through social contact and the degree of impact differs based off of connection. For example, you and your best friend have a form of legacy between each other. In the case that one of you dies, the other will still remember and henceforth, your memory lives on. Of course, this is just a very social and friendly form of legacy. Legacy can also exist when a very influential teacher leaves behind his teaching to his pupils and as a result, the pupil's lives are changed, for the better or the worse, with the newly found perspective. Sure, maybe after a 3-5 decades or so, your entire memory will be forgotten, but what you teach and do for this world will still continue. (And for some reason, I don't think having millenniums worth of people in heaven will make you stand out either.)

I don't live with the intent of meeting God in heaven nor do I even believe in God, but yet I still have ambition to make an impact in the world. Are you going to try and convince me that my purpose is just a lie and that God is the only method to true purpose? In addition, I don't see much point in creating purpose with something that I don't even know to be certain. Based on what I do and the severity of my decisions in the future, I will make an impact (hopefully for the better) in this world; this is certain. Based on what I do and what religion I believe in, I may go to Heaven to live in eternal bliss (which I consider to be wasteful and stupid); this is not certain.

You don't need God to create meaning and purpose; you just think you need God to create meaning and purpose.


you said that what you teach in this world will continue but you will not know if it really continues or it stops because you are dead and dead people are just dead. but if you believe you would know what happened because you are still alive but not in this world. i mean so what if your legacy continues? your dead
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Posted 2/18/09 , edited 2/18/09

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you said that what you teach in this world will continue but you will not know if it really continues or it stops because you are dead and dead people are just dead. but if you believe you would know what happened because you are still alive but not in this world. i mean so what if your legacy continues? your dead

How do I know my legacy will continue? By example. I know things about my great grandparents and ancestors through my parents and family history; I know, in a general sense, what kind of personality they possessed and what kind of sacrifices they made. There are teachers in my life that taught me things that I will never forget to the day I die and I will probably continue to spread what they taught me through my actions and behaviors. In that sense, if the teacher dies, do I suddenly forget everything they taught me? No. Henceforth, I know that even if I die, based on my actions within my existence.

You put too much emphasis on death and not on what is done before death.
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Posted 2/18/09 , edited 2/18/09

makix wrote:


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you said that what you teach in this world will continue but you will not know if it really continues or it stops because you are dead and dead people are just dead. but if you believe you would know what happened because you are still alive but not in this world. i mean so what if your legacy continues? your dead

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who cares about your legacy? would you care? no you'd be to dead to care even know about it, its seems so foolish to think you'll fell appreciated when your dead
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